General Immigration Discussion

[RMS_V13]

immitime: what do you stand for?
You lobby for removal of per country visa cap and support EB3 I. Now for convenience you pity EB3 ROW just so that EB2 I does not get spillover. Don't flip flop. Take a stand and stick to it please
I don't buy the fact that an immi forum can change rules please...shows your maturity level

[suninphx]

All these mess could have avoided if the spillover law interpretation could not have changed, starting from Year 2008.

From EB1, the SOFAD and all other spillover Visas if equally distrubuted to EB2 & EB3 , EB3 ROW and EB3 India dates will be moved at least by 2 years ahead from what it is now. Heard the move to change the interpretation of spillover is initiated by USCIS from lobbying pressure from IV and some EB-2 India people.. That is sad on our part as Highly educated immigrant community.

I accpet the other opinions also no fights should be started by this statments. just thought of reminding all, the Truth behind this BIG mess. which was already a mess.

EB3 India people who missed the 2007 boat are waiting from Year 2002 onwards. And EB3 Row and EB-3 India will never ever get the spillover. Because there will always be demand for EB-2 India! And again don't adivse to Port... Porting is not very easy nowadyas even you are qualified for that.This spillover law helps now only One category EB2 India to some extent, the further movement we need to wait and see for the next VB

Good Luck to all immaterial of category.

You mean for all catagories?(which would mean that EB2I would have been at Jul 2009 etc etc?) ...Do you have any numbers to share to back this statement?

[username]

Few more petitions:

"Holders of valid, legal visas should be able to renew their visa without having to exit the country"
link: https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition...untry/X016NylF

Allow H-4 visa member to work legally
link:https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition...gally/N7wKxBpN

[manubhai]

... petitions' futility in bringing any change in immigration system...

"Futility" is a very relative word.

Having 5000 people sign 4 different petitions within a matter of days does not mean that those petitions will become laws. Agreed with that.

But getting people to notice and attracting attention to the issues that bring you to this forum is NOT FUTILE.

Talk is cheap. So are reading and typing. Taking action is all that matters.



Here's the action part: http://wh.gov/4d1



The only reason a law should pass is if that law serves the interests of the United States. HR 3012 does. This darn thing actually stands a chance given its current support from both sides and the timing of elections.

Spread the word... email... facebook... twitter. Take Action. DO SOMETHING.

[qesehmk]

manu ... I do think its worthwhile to do something. Keep doing what you are doing.

Those who don't agree, lets respect others right to do what they think is worthwhile.

"Futility" is a very relative word.

Having 5000 people sign 4 different petitions within a matter of days does not mean that those petitions will become laws. Agreed with that.

But getting people to notice and attracting attention to the issues that bring you to this forum is NOT FUTILE.

Talk is cheap. So are reading and typing. Taking action is all that matters.

[ssvp22]

ssvp bhai, I totally understand your feelings and I sometimes wish I had gone to UK instead but there are many people here ( you know who I mean..Q..Spec..etc) who don't have to be worried about GC etc and still help us out so much... and that gives me real hope. I love this quote Q posted a while back....very inspirational !

"There is a terrific statement by pastor Martin Niemoller (from wikipedia) about the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me."

@Monica. For long, i was always in favor of speaking out. But past couple of years have taught me to move on, instead of hoping that things would change for better. This is same with school district in my area. I no longer favor speaking out. My(and other people who care) moving out of the area will itself speak out against the pathetic school district, where we pay $8k/year in realestate tax, and get 3 out of 10 points worth of school district.

[suninphx]

Folks, vote all you can on bills, but end of the day, when your PD is current is only when you will get the GC. Personally i have stopped hoping any bill will ever get passed. I have spent past 4 years listening to videos, reading articles from Bloomberg, Vivek Wadhwa et al, but the needle on immigration reform has not moved a bit. So, work hard, avoid contracting jobs like plague, and if already contracting and PD in 2010+, go back to home country. And not to forget, dont recommend people to come to US to get screwed unless they can get on the ponzi EB1 scheme financed by CTS, Infy, UBS, Qualcomm....

..and reason/logic behind above statement is...??

[qesehmk]

ssvp, "moving on" is a very valid choice. If that works for somebody, by all means they should embrace that. This damn GC process shouldnt hold their dreams and aspirations HOSTAGE and make them SLAVES.

For most people though - they would think - " i have invested so much time into this - let me wait a few more days/months/years". For some people "moving on" is not a choice at all.

So i think there is no single version of truth here that will fit all people. Its really an individuals situation and what they want to make out of it. And this forum is here only to help. Ultimately its the individual who will decide what's good for him/her.

@Monica. For long, i was always in favor of speaking out. But past couple of years have taught me to move on, instead of hoping that things would change for better. This is same with school district in my area. I no longer favor speaking out. My(and other people who care) moving out of the area will itself speak out against the pathetic school district, where we pay $8k/year in realestate tax, and get 3 out of 10 points worth of school district.

[ssvp22]

..and reason/logic behind above statement is...??

0 growth, no vacation, no healthcare, you are treated like s___, ..... Till the time you are 27-28 years old, you dont realize. But crossover to 30 and it hits you hard.

[10102007]

Perhaps you meant to say bad employers and not contracting jobs. There us nothing wrong with contracting jobs. I have have been working for a 'desi' employer for the past 7+ years and it has been decent. He pays on time, pays 40% of medical insurance for emp+spouse, matches 401k to a certain %, has 2 weeks (not great) of vacation that can be fully carried over to the next year, and pays during bench period.

Of course unlike other regular companies there is no performance review or promotion. But even in regular companies, you may not have room to grow. In most cases it is the employees who are guilty. Buyers beware - and hence we should thoroughly enquire about the company before joining. In most cases people talk to the 'sweet talking' boss over the phone
and decide to join and later whine and cry foul. Whatever happens in our life, we are responsible for it.

The point is avoid bad employers.

Folks, vote all you can on bills, but end of the day, when your PD is current is only when you will get the GC. Personally i have stopped hoping any bill will ever get passed. I have spent past 4 years listening to videos, reading articles from Bloomberg, Vivek Wadhwa et al, but the needle on immigration reform has not moved a bit. So, work hard, avoid contracting jobs like plague, and if already contracting and PD in 2010+, go back to home country. And not to forget, dont recommend people to come to US to get screwed unless they can get on the ponzi EB1 scheme financed by CTS, Infy, UBS, Qualcomm....

[ssvp22]

ssvp, "moving on" is a very valid choice. If that works for somebody, by all means they should embrace that. This damn GC process shouldnt hold their dreams and aspirations HOSTAGE and make them SLAVES.

For most people though - they would think - " i have invested so much time into this - let me wait a few more days/months/years". For some people "moving on" is not a choice at all.

So i think there is no single version of truth here that will fit all people. Its really an individuals situation and what they want to make out of it. And this forum is here only to help. Ultimately its the individual who will decide what's good for him/her.

Q i am not recommending moving on on GC. Instead i am referring to all these immigration related bills and talk. Its all well prepared rhetoric to get votes. Bloomberg being in NYC aint going to give anti-immigrant talk. But his real track record speaks for itself - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/ny...pagewanted=all . So, all i want to suggest is that lets not get fooled again and again.

[PlainSpeak]

The same feeling EB-3 India people have when the spillover interpretation changed by USCIS from 2008 onwards, We all should know how to think in others shoes. This is one of the example. When EB-3 people cry about the spillover. most of the EB2 guys will advice them to port. now EB1 people can say the same thing to EB2 asking them to port!!!!... so the thinking should be broader as one EB immigrant community.

If EB2 could put themselves in EB3 shoes we would not have half the problems we are having now....

[bieber]

If EB2 could put themselves in EB3 shoes we would not have half the problems we are having now....

care to explain?

[qesehmk]

Understood. Thanks. Most of the politicians are that way. So yes, we can't always take things at facevalue.

Q i am not recommending moving on on GC. Instead i am referring to all these immigration related bills and talk. Its all well prepared rhetoric to get votes. Bloomberg being in NYC aint going to give anti-immigrant talk. But his real track record speaks for itself - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/ny...pagewanted=all . So, all i want to suggest is that lets not get fooled again and again.

[immitime]

The President says he cannot fix immigration alone...(and he meant only "Illegal Immigration" I think he forgot that immigration means it is LEGAL IMMIGRATION!)


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20112594.shtml

[waiting]

0 growth, no vacation, no healthcare, you are treated like s___, ..... Till the time you are 27-28 years old, you dont realize. But crossover to 30 and it hits you hard.

I made one decision as soon as I came to know about GC mess in US - Life must go on, me or my family will not compromise(buying home/cars, having kids etc. etc) due to long wait to get GC. GC will happen on its time.. if it doesn't happen then anyways you are screwed why not enjoy prime years of your life. I don't have GC yet but have never hold off anything for GC.

[qesehmk]

Very well said!

I made one decision as soon as I came to know about GC mess in US - Life must go on, me or my family will not compromise(buying home/cars, having kids etc. etc) due to long wait to get GC. GC will happen on its time.. if it doesn't happen then anyways you are screwed why not enjoy prime years of your life. I don't have GC yet but have never hold off anything for GC.

gcq great insight. Gave props to you for this. One more thing one needs to understand is that these Indian companies are now competing in serious space and they have started to give serious salaries to their higher end people. So it makes perfect sense to sponsor GC and retain them for even bigger plans.
The true management consulting business for Indian firms in US has started booming and i think they are going to make a serious dent into the likes of IBM Accenture CSC etc. McKinsey BCG Bain is still too far. But the first 3 i mentioned are going to face some serious challenge.

Most of the times we see all the worker bees and forget this big picture where these companies have their next target. They are working accordingly and moving up the ladder and in process their trusted people are getting benefited.

Will there be one or two cases of fraud? Its possible. But by and large they are playing by the rules set by USCIS.

Anybody who thinks otherwise and blames EB1 EB3 EB2 or ROW or in general other immigrant and how that person is "Khuda meherban to gadha pehlawan"-kind-of-beneficiary is only increasing his own blood pressure. If I were that person, I would refrain from it.

Why is outsourcing firms willing to sponsor more greencards in EB1 ? Unavailability/scrutiny in H1/L1 etc. These outsourcing firms were infamous for not applying GC for their employees. They even avoided filing H1B as the employee could jump the ship once they are in US. Initially they relied on L1s, good margins, no chance of employee leaving them. Then USCIS tightened L1. They started using H1 in large numbers. When USCIS started tightening H1s, they did the unthinkable, started applying GC in EB1 so that they can bring employees to US fast.

Infy is asking people to sign 1.5-2 year contract in exchange for GC in EB1.

I would've though such contracts would be illegal in US.

Connecting the Dots - While we waited in line(on the same job title) for GC for past 5(EB2)-10(EB3) years, folks in Infy/TCS became managers. And now, these folks are managing teams from 50-100-200 people. That is a great experience to put down on the resume. And all that is resulting in is that these managers are now becoming CIOs of small to mid-sized US corporates. And corporates prefer them as CIOs since they have first-hand contacts with outsourcing companies, which makes outsourcing easier. While i am happy for I/C people in achieving this, but it has come at a cost of careers of H1-B folks. So, when we finally graduate with a GC, we will be looking at a market with very few jobs in our skillset, since CIOs have already shipped them back home. It's been a amazing twist of fate.

ssvp you have a good handle on reality. Thats pretty much how i see it.

[mysati]

I made one decision as soon as I came to know about GC mess in US - Life must go on, me or my family will not compromise(buying home/cars, having kids etc. etc) due to long wait to get GC. GC will happen on its time.. if it doesn't happen then anyways you are screwed why not enjoy prime years of your life. I don't have GC yet but have never hold off anything for GC.

Great decision. I personally have followed what you have mentioned. Had to go through a big uncertainity and uphavel in 2008 due to the downturn but just focussed on the short term to keep focussed and cross the bridge (not becoz' of great insight but whatelse can you do when things are beyond your control!)

One other thing that maybe helpful is not following/ tracking all sites daily (no offense to anyone here You guys are doing a great job). I have refrained from this for the past almost 3.5 years...used to check visa bulletins once a quarter just to get updates. It helped maintain my sanity and not keep myself pre-occupied with the worries. Now that my PD is within a year, I started going through the stuff to appraise myself of the next steps.

This method worked for me not suggesting it is the best for all. Everyone's situation is different and can follow whatever works for them and makes them sleep at night.

[soggadu]

OMG... lot of Duvaa(issmoke) in the forums now a days...har koi, kissi aur pe jal raha hein... i understand guys all those EB1's or not passing bills is not fair... but come on, life mein kuch bhi toh fair nahi hein... Like WAITING bhai... Never comprmise, i recently met a guy, his wife was working in pharma with very good pay (nearly 5 figure) on H1... They deliberately shifted her to H4 for planning for kid (second one)...they are not old and they could have waited until GC and all...His PD will be current next month... But what he told makes lot of sense... Never mix anything in life with immigration if possible and let it go in its own track... I was very impressed with him... So people of the forum... Fight for your rights with pride but not with jealous or frustration and always LIVE LIFE KING SIZE...vuuuuiiiimaaaa ee toh bhashan ho gaya re baba....

[leo4ever]

ssvp bhai, I totally understand your feelings and I sometimes wish I had gone to UK instead but there are many people here ( you know who I mean..Q..Spec..etc) who don't have to be worried about GC etc and still help us out so much... and that gives me real hope. I love this quote Q posted a while back....very inspirational !

"There is a terrific statement by pastor Martin Niemoller (from wikipedia) about the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me."

Nice Quote, love it.

[evoori]

I agree..

OMG... lot of Duvaa(issmoke) in the forums now a days...har koi, kissi aur pe jal raha hein... i understand guys all those EB1's or not passing bills is not fair... but come on, life mein kuch bhi toh fair nahi hein... Like WAITING bhai... Never comprmise, i recently met a guy, his wife was working in pharma with very good pay (nearly 5 figure) on H1... They deliberately shifted her to H4 for planning for kid (second one)...they are not old and they could have waited until GC and all...His PD will be current next month... But what he told makes lot of sense... Never mix anything in life with immigration if possible and let it go in its own track... I was very impressed with him... So people of the forum... Fight for your rights with pride but not with jealous or frustration and always LIVE LIFE KING SIZE...vuuuuiiiimaaaa ee toh bhashan ho gaya re baba....

So today is going to be the last day for this thread ? I am waiting to welcome new thread with new energy in a new year (Ofcourse not CY but FY) tomorrow.. Lets do not have Duvaa on the new thread..

[immitime]

I am airing a good thought and a good prayer let all of US EB immigrants get a GC within 2 years from now. Let this Prayer happen. Sending good thoughts to every body to have a lesser conflict. and to weigh fulfilled and unfulfilled desires, keep the high ambition along with prayers.(and of course we need to do our part) Things will and should happen. Let everyone get their GC. Because suffering is the same for each one of us immaterial of category. And Politricks and economy along with lobbying is bad out there. And exploitation by so called Big consulting companies.. with greedy mentaity effects each one's life. Let us wish for a more peaceful, Free and Knowledgable life!

[soggadufan]

Excellent soggadu, that is true. I like this, I am going to put these kind of quotes on my wall, so i can read them to feel better

OMG... Fight for your rights with pride but not with jealous or frustration and always LIVE LIFE KING SIZE...vuuuuiiiimaaaa ee toh bhashan ho gaya re baba....

[soggadu]

Excellent soggadu, that is true. I like this, I am going to put these kind of quotes on my wall, so i can read them to feel better

thnx dude...where have you been... also what is your PD?

[soggadufan]

I am hiding all this time, not missing any humor. My PD is Aug 2008. You are close to getting it right?

thnx dude...where have you been... also what is your PD?