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Thread: EB2 Predictions (Rather Calculations) - 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjiding View Post
    My H1 VISA expires in March 2012, my I-94 shows Oct 2012. I was stuck in India for stamping for 3 months , so I guess when I entered they gave I94 till Oct 2012. My question is when should I apply for extension? Before March 2012 probably?
    My EB2 priority date is May 2008.
    Important question is when your petition expires? That is really what matters. Apply at earliest possible date before petition expiry date as others have suggested.
    Last edited by suninphx; 09-20-2011 at 01:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suninphx View Post
    Important question is when your petition expires? That is really what matters. Apply at earliest possible date before petition expiry date as others have suggested.
    Thanks all for the replies. So I need to apply before March 2012 as the VISA stamp in the passport says March 2012, regardless of the I94 date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjiding View Post
    Thanks all for the replies. So I need to apply before March 2012 as the VISA stamp in the passport says March 2012, regardless of the I94 date.
    visa stamp date = on your passport
    I 94 date = small white thing on attached to your passport
    petition date = on your 1 794

    So i guess you have to go with your petition date and also confirm this with the lawyer once.... as how can they give you an I 94 > your petition date... samje benji??

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    As far as I know, the latest I-94 date denotes the last day of valid stay in USA. The date in the Visa stamp is meant for only travel to enter USA.

    So for extension of status, we have to go by the I-94 date ( latest issued by CBP or USCIS i.e, I-94 attached to passport or I-94 attached to Petition form)

  5. #7530
    Folks - I am very confussed from morning. I work as a contractor and i came to know today that my current assignment will not be extended next year. My employer is a blood sucking consulting firm. My h1b is expiring may 2012. I was thinking to apply extn this novemember but today due to my contract issue i am not sure if i need to tell this to my employer or not. I find the project and he gets the money. what if i become current in Novemember then he will make issues to apply i485.

    do you feel i have a chance to file my i1485 in Novemember. Will the dates move . please help me out

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    Quote Originally Posted by soggadu View Post
    visa stamp date = on your passport
    I 94 date = small white thing on attached to your passport
    petition date = on your 1 794

    So i guess you have to go with your petition date and also confirm this with the lawyer once.... as how can they give you an I 94 > your petition date... samje benji??
    There can be mistakes. Generally I have seen people getting I94 of petition expiry date + 15 days. You need to always go for petition expiry date. OP will not be able to work with expired petition putting him out of status , technically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanmani View Post
    As far as I know, the latest I-94 date denotes the last day of valid stay in USA. The date in the Visa stamp is meant for only travel to enter USA.

    So for extension of status, we have to go by the I-94 date ( latest issued by CBP or USCIS i.e, I-94 attached to passport or I-94 attached to Petition form)
    For extension of H1 OP has to go with petiton expiry date.
    Last edited by suninphx; 09-20-2011 at 02:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suninphx View Post
    For extension of H1 OP has to go with petiton expiry date.
    Example

    Mr. X has H1B Petition with an expiry date - 31 dec 2011 .
    X travels to India and on his return to usa he receives I-94 card attached to his passport validates stay up to 31 oct 2011.
    In this case X has to do one of the following
    1. Filing for extension of H1b before 31 oct 2011
    2. Travel out of USA and come back with new I-94 card valid 31 Dec 2011
    3. Go to CBP office at Airport to extend the dates from oct 31st to Dec 31 2011 ( which is not encouraged by CBP nowadays)

    So for extension of H1b also pls go with the latest I-94 date not with petition expiry date otherwise it is taken as unlawful stay after I-94 expiry
    Last edited by Kanmani; 09-20-2011 at 03:39 PM.

  9. #7534
    I believe you mean Nov-Dec 2007
    Quote Originally Posted by grnwtg View Post
    At the start of 2011, nobody were aware about strict rules around EB1 which led to good amount of spill over, I guess in 2010 we got some thing from Family Visa section which was not predicted at the start of 2010.
    If we get some thing like above two cases we will definetly move till Mar-May'08 ( I mean getting green card), I guess uscis has used reasoning like you in sending NVC receipts till June'2008.

    On the flip side if we dont get any thing like last couple of years we will be stuck at Nov-Dec 2008 when we reach August'2012, again CO might likely move dates till March '2008- April'2008 ( I mean getting only EAD) for getting Demand FY2013.

    According to me there is definetly chances of moving till Feb'08 to April '08 for a month when we get Visa Bulletin for October'2012.

  10. #7535
    Buddy.... I would say this... I had been in quite similar situation last year. What i did was, i file for the extension only 2 weeks prior to expiry of my petition. As long as you apply before petition expiry date, you are fine even if your petition doesn't arrive in next 6 months (Mine arrived after 5 months of petition expiry). So, i would advice that you should find another contract. Talk to your employer and tell him the exact situation. In the mean while if you become current, it shouldn't be a problem for your employer to file for I-485 since a) you must be paying for it (i am assuming) and b) Greencard is for future employment. Now, if you are ready to stay in job without pay, no one can stop you from working for your employer. Just give him a request for "leave without pay" (for record) while you are searching for new contract.



    Quote Originally Posted by indiaeb2 View Post
    Folks - I am very confussed from morning. I work as a contractor and i came to know today that my current assignment will not be extended next year. My employer is a blood sucking consulting firm. My h1b is expiring may 2012. I was thinking to apply extn this novemember but today due to my contract issue i am not sure if i need to tell this to my employer or not. I find the project and he gets the money. what if i become current in Novemember then he will make issues to apply i485.

    do you feel i have a chance to file my i1485 in Novemember. Will the dates move . please help me out
    Last edited by nishant2200; 09-21-2011 at 01:38 AM. Reason: removed personal verbiage on a user

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    apan current ho gaya

    apan current ho gaya... if not GC I should be able to file 485 for my lovely wife
    Last edited by nishant2200; 09-21-2011 at 01:39 AM. Reason: removed reference to moved post

  12. #7537
    Yes, I agree. Many Chinese Post-docs got their Phds in China and they had wife and kids when they came to USA. Most of these guys are doing EB2-NIW and they have to use 3 visa numbers for one NIW application.



    Quote Originally Posted by nishant2200 View Post
    On the whole I do think that the C folks do tend to have kids and especially older ones those born outside of USA more than India. I am simply basing this off the fact that most C folks start their immigration journey via MS or PhD studies in USA, and most of these by experience I have seen in my university as well as discussed with my friends in other universities, already come in with dependents including spouse and a child. They mostly come on Research or Teaching assistantships and the stipend is used to sustain the family in USA. I do not know reasons behind this difference vs I folks. So Kanmani you do have a point, although as Veni said, might not affect the overall ratio a whole lot, because the ratio is combined, as well as the I contributes to the EB2 immigrant universe much more than C in terms of quantity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanmani View Post
    Example

    Mr. X has H1B Petition with an expiry date - 31 dec 2011 .
    X travels to India and on his return to usa he receives I-94 card attached to his passport validates stay up to 31 oct 2011.
    In this case X has to do one of the following
    1. Filing for extension of H1b before 31 oct 2011
    2. Travel out of USA and come back with new I-94 card valid 31 Dec 2011
    3. Go to CBP office at Airport to extend the dates from oct 31st to Dec 31 2011 ( which is not encouraged by CBP nowadays)

    So for extension of H1b also pls go with the latest I-94 date not with petition expiry date otherwise it is taken as unlawful stay after I-94 expiry
    I would like to differ:

    First of all the scenario you mentioned above is exact opposite than what OP said. OP has I94 date > than petition expiry date. So what I said in that case still stands. If he delays filing based on I94 date then OP will not able to work. Its petition based on which one is authorized to work and not I94.
    Even in the scenario you mentioned we can just file for extension of status(not not necessarilty H1 extension). I am sure you know that H1 extension and extension of status are two different things.

  14. #7539
    The Japs and Koreans also have English barrier. I think the Chinese EB2 have a larger portion of NIW applicants and these guys came to USA in their late 20s and 30s. The Japanese don't immigrate to the US too much because the salary here is lower than in Japan. The South Korean salary is lower than Japanese and the expense is very high in Seoul.

    Most of the Chinese immigrants came here through Family Based and Political Refugee paths. The EB number is only around 10%-20% of the total number. Many Chinese came here through political refugee by humilating motherland and cheating Uncle Sam. The smart hard working ones have to wait for too long and they tend to return home.


    Quote Originally Posted by Stemcell View Post
    English barrier prevents them from entering the workforce right away as compared to the headstart Indian/filipino have over English.
    Japs and Koreans strangely enter workforce right away more so than chinese....i cant seem to explain that...

  15. #7540
    Quote Originally Posted by suninphx View Post
    I would like to differ:

    First of all the scenario you mentioned above is exact opposite than what OP said. OP has I94 date > than petition expiry date. So what I said in that case still stands. If he delays filing based on I94 date then OP will not able to work. Its petition based on which one is authorized to work and not I94.
    Even in the scenario you mentioned we can just file for extension of status(not not necessarilty H1 extension). I am sure you know that H1 extension and extension of status are two different things.
    Quote Originally Posted by benjiding View Post
    My H1 VISA expires in March 2012, my I-94 shows Oct 2012. I was stuck in India for stamping for 3 months , so I guess when I entered they gave I94 till Oct 2012. My question is when should I apply for extension? Before March 2012 probably?
    My EB2 priority date is May 2008.
    Quote Originally Posted by benjiding View Post
    Thanks all for the replies. So I need to apply before March 2012 as the VISA stamp in the passport says March 2012, regardless of the I94 date.
    suninphx

    I am referring to the above posts where it is mentioned that Visa Stamp on the passport is expiring in March 2012 .
    He/She never mentioned about his H1b approval notice Form I- 797 expiry date.

    Case 1

    I-94 card expiry date < I 797 expiry date

    This is a case where the period of stay is intentionally reduced by the immigration officer ( they usually do this in random). Here H1b should be renewed before I-94 card expiry

    Case 2

    I-94 card expiry date > I 797 expiry date .
    These cases are less than 1% , due to human error , which we should be aware of and get corrected at once or renew the H1b as per I797 expiry date .
    Last edited by Kanmani; 09-20-2011 at 06:12 PM.

  16. #7541
    Quote Originally Posted by Kanmani View Post
    suninphx

    I am referring to the above posts where it is mentioned that Visa Stamp on the passport is expiring in March 2012 .
    He/She never mentioned about his H1b approval notice Form I- 797 expiry date.
    Case 2

    I-94 card expiry date < I 797 expiry date

    This is a case where the period of stay is intentionally reduced by the immigration officer ( they usually do this in random). Here H1b should be renewed before I-94 card expiry

    Case 2
    I-94 card expiry date > I 797 expiry date .
    These cases are less than 1% , due to human error , which we should be aware of and get corrected at once or renew the H1b as per I797 expiry date .
    The date on I797 is the date on my VISA in passport, and at the port of entry, the IO stamped a later date. So I am Case 2. First let me state that this happens quite often, they accumulate your stay abroad and add it towards the end of your H1 period. So if you stay 6 months in India during your H1 period, then you can claim those 6months. This is what has happened in my case.

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    Benjiding
    They usually add the period spent outside USA in the I 797 at USCIS only. This is the first time i am hearing this kind of adding in the I-94 at Immigration counter.

    You should consult an attorney.

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    Ssvp22 ..Thanks for correcting. I just want to put down my feelings and get some suggestion. Did not work on my spelling. My pd is Aug 6th 2007 EB2

  19. #7544
    Thanks Soggadu for understanding my situvation. my pd is 6th Aug 2007 eb2 india.

  20. #7545
    Thank Nishant_imt for your suggestion. I think the only option for me is to talk to my employer and see if wont create any mess with my h1 or 485 paper work. My pd is 6th aug 2007

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanmani View Post
    suninphx

    I am referring to the above posts where it is mentioned that Visa Stamp on the passport is expiring in March 2012 .
    He/She never mentioned about his H1b approval notice Form I- 797 expiry date.

    Case 1

    I-94 card expiry date < I 797 expiry date

    This is a case where the period of stay is intentionally reduced by the immigration officer ( they usually do this in random). Here H1b should be renewed before I-94 card expiry
    A
    Case 2

    I-94 card expiry date > I 797 expiry date .
    These cases are less than 1% , due to human error , which we should be aware of and get corrected at once or renew the H1b as per I797 expiry date .
    You are mixing things. The expiry date on I797 is date till he can work (and that's what is imp. On H1) and he has to extend his petition before that date(with I129 form this is generally called H1 extetion.). In this case you get new I797 and new I94 with expiry date of new I797.
    In Case 1: One can just extend the status (using I539) form using exiting I797. In this case you get new I94 with expiry date of exiting I797. So both are different things.

    On H1 always always go by petition date because you are authorized to work till that date.
    Anyway I rest my case here. I am sure OP is going to consult attorney.
    Last edited by suninphx; 09-20-2011 at 07:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanmani View Post
    Benjiding
    They usually add the period spent outside USA in the I 797 at USCIS only. This is the first time i am hearing this kind of adding in the I-94 at Immigration counter.

    You should consult an attorney.
    Agree with Kanmani. USCIS does that part.

  23. #7548
    Suninphx

    If I am not confusing you, I stand by my point.
    In case 1 , the H1b should be extended before the I-94 card expires not before approval petition . So please dig more into this .

    Again Form I-539 is for extension of H-4 or change of status from H1 to H4

    Quote Originally Posted by suninphx View Post
    You are mixing things. The expiry date on I797 is date till he can work (and that's what is imp. On H1) and he has to extend his petition before that date(with I129 form this is generally called H1 extetion.). In this case you get new I797 and new I94 with expiry date of new I797.
    In Case 1: One can just extend the status (using I539) form using exiting I797. In this case you get new I94 with expiry date of exiting I797. So both are different things.

    On H1 always always go by petition date because you are authorized to work till that date.
    Anyway I rest my case here. I am sure OP is going to consult attorney.

  24. #7549
    Quote Originally Posted by suninphx View Post
    Agree with Kanmani. USCIS does that part.
    Since there is so much confusion with whether petition or whether I94 has precendence and sinc you want to be safe and not sorry go with the one which has the earliest date which would be the petition. That way if you were wrong there is no harm done. On the other hand if you go with I94 and if by chance you were wrong you would be 3 months out of status. Why take risk ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanmani View Post
    Suninphx

    If I am not confusing you, I stand by my point.
    In case 1 , the H1b should be extended before the I-94 card expires not before approval petition . So please dig more into this .

    Again Form I-539 is for extension of H-4 or change of status from H1 to H4
    I am not confused at all. If you check your previous posts you have changed your stance. And if you dig more you will know that I539 is used to change/extend status between various visa statuses (and not ONLY tied to H1/H4 as you mentioned). Check with your lawyer if that helps you.
    Last edited by nishant2200; 09-21-2011 at 01:43 AM. Reason: removed verbiage which led to confusion and argument

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