S386 GOP Politics and Sen. Durbin

[NJMavarick]

alright ... so now finally when sen durbin did not object .... Rick Scott (R) florida has objected. He wants to preserve diversity .... and create a carve out based on the language that the people speak !!! What a load of ------- ?

That's typical GOP for you. Absolute cunning suggestion that even accepted will be very difficult to implement.

In hindsight, I feel as always you have been right all along! IV seems to have been taken for a ride by the Rs.

[suninphx]

Also known as a poison pill.

And WH is not on board and needs more time. Goes on and on and on....

[qesehmk]

Also known as a poison pill.

This is not even a poison pill ... this is just a stupid pill that nobody would care about except Rick Scott.

And see if they somehow resolve this - then another GOP senator will introduce another BS amendment.

I have been trying to tell you folks ... it is not Dems ... it is GOP that is dead against this bill. They just used Lee to get at Sen. Durbin.

Believe me when I say this - Sen Lee must have come to admire Sen Durbin who has been very amenable and honorable.

[NJMavarick]

This is not even a poison pill ... this is just a stupid pill that nobody would care about except Rick Scott.

And see if they somehow resolve this - then another GOP senator will introduce another BS amendment.

I have been trying to tell you folks ... it is not Dems ... it is GOP that is dead against this bill. They just used Lee to get at Sen. Durbin.

Believe me when I say this - Sen Lee must have come to admire Sen Durbin who has been very amenable and honorable.

Agree in totality!

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

I would like to think that Durbin would not mind this outcome as I have always said. He wants to do his own thing. Rs are not going to let this pass this Congress.

[srimurthy]

Agree in totality!

As expected gone for a toss, the pendulum always swings so fast and finally tilts at no approvals.
Senator Scott suggestion if we go by Language.... then India will have atleast 20 odd recognized languages to represent and not sure what has language got to do with Employment based skill sets. Or on the flip side he could have said any computer programming language and maintain the diversity :-)

[qesehmk]

I would like to think that Durbin would not mind this outcome as I have always said. He wants to do his own thing. Rs are not going to let this pass this Congress.

If Durbin was a pure political animal then you would be right. But listen carefully what he said in the end. He says I am a son of an immigrant. I think he means it and he would have been happy to have this passed .... think about it .... he would like his junior friend Senator Lee succeed. That's what leaders do. They help others succeed. And Durbin has made fantastic effort towards us and towards his GOP friend.

[qesehmk]

But you know folks - don't be disheartened at all. I firmly believe this will pass soon ... Tremendous progress has already been made.

[EB22010Dec]

But you know folks - don't be disheartened at all. I firmly believe this will pass soon ... Tremendous progress has already been made.

Rick Scott ends by saying - 'White house needs more time', I think it is currently on the big man's desk. They will make a decision soon, I am sure. This might be also tried to 'merit-based immigration proposal'
There is a lot more to this than what we can find on forums/twitter I am sure.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

Rick Scott ends by saying - 'White house needs more time', I think it is currently on the big man's desk. They will make a decision soon, I am sure. This might be also tried to 'merit-based immigration proposal'
There is a lot more to this than what we can find on forums/twitter I am sure.

Stephen Miller will not let anything pass which resembles pandering to immigrants even remotely. So you can consider this done and dusted for this Congress. Don't believe for a moment that they will come to an agreement with Rick Scott - carve outs for people speaking specific languages is just a mockery. They will push this dumpster fire until Sep 30 and then turn out the lights and go home.

[excalibur123]

This is not even a poison pill ... this is just a stupid pill that nobody would care about except Rick Scott.

And see if they somehow resolve this - then another GOP senator will introduce another BS amendment.

I have been trying to tell you folks ... it is not Dems ... it is GOP that is dead against this bill. They just used Lee to get at Sen. Durbin.

Believe me when I say this - Sen Lee must have come to admire Sen Durbin who has been very amenable and honorable.

How exactly has he been amenable? Can you suggest what has changed between 8 months back and now, so he has removed his hold?

Also hasn't he been introducing alternative bills? In my view he would not have removed his hold but for his calculations for current climate.

[qesehmk]

How exactly has he been amenable? Can you suggest what has changed between 8 months back and now, so he has removed his hold?

Also hasn't he been introducing alternative bills? In my view he would not have removed his hold but for his calculations for current climate.

Please remove your IV shades.

Today he and Lee both agreed upon a version that they reached together. But it was another GOP senator Rick Scott who came up with a brand new silly objection.

[qesehmk]

Rick Scott ends by saying - 'White house needs more time', I think it is currently on the big man's desk. They will make a decision soon, I am sure. This might be also tried to 'merit-based immigration proposal'
There is a lot more to this than what we can find on forums/twitter I am sure.

Again I hope I am wrong. But Trump is too consumed with other stuff to pay any attention to this. This seems like it was a low level machination by Miller and co to get to Durbin. The most dumbfoudning thing for me is that even if these machinations had worked and EB-I community went against Durbin and Dems in general - how did that help GOP in the November elections at all? Because the Indian Americans do not vote based on what happens to EB-I !!!

But anyway ... I hope I am wrong and DJT does give us a path forward.

[vsivarama]

The Amendment pushed forward by Scott is typical of the GOP and current Admin which prides itself on it utter incompetence. They were unable to come up with a more nuanced amendment for a poison pill. Contrary to the public opinion that politicians are usually playing some form of three dimensional chess, Scott proves that his strategy is to fling the chess pieces at the opponent.

[excalibur123]

Please remove your IV shades.

Today he and Lee both agreed upon a version that they reached together. But it was another GOP senator Rick Scott who came up with a brand new silly objection.

Not sure why I have to say “I have nothing to do with IV”. But that’s the case.

You haven’t really answered my questions too?

Reality is Democrats don’t care about Backlogged until Daca is resolved. (Why would they give up the “leverage” as they call it? How else CIR would pass?)

As for why the bill got blocked, read what I said couple of days back about expect it to be blocked by Rs. It was expected because the timing for S386 cannot be worse.

[qesehmk]

Head of the thread updated for those who need a summary.

[qesehmk]

Not sure why I have to say “I have nothing to do with IV”. But that’s the case.

You haven’t really answered my questions too?

Reality is Democrats don’t care about Backlogged until Daca is resolved. (Why would they give up the “leverage” as they call it? How else CIR would pass?)

As for why the bill got blocked, read what I said couple of days back about expect it to be blocked by Rs. It was expected because the timing for S386 cannot be worse.

You really need to update yourself on what happened today and then we should discuss. Peace.

[excalibur123]

I know what happened. You are not the only one reading and thinking / analyzing things.

I had already predicted what will happen in my post from a week back -
“ It is like having 2 parallel universes. On one side is hyper-anti-immigration environment, economy and unemployment issues like never before, and looming elections with its gazillion dynamics and calculations.
And on the other side is S386 and how it is perceived.
Even if the compromise is reached, expect S386 to be blocked, more likely by Republicans or the admin. Unfortunately the time for the bill was in pre-Covid days.”

[qesehmk]

I know what happened. You are not the only one reading and thinking / analyzing things.

I had already predicted what will happen in my post from a week back -
“ It is like having 2 parallel universes. On one side is hyper-anti-immigration environment, economy and unemployment issues like never before, and looming elections with its gazillion dynamics and calculations.
And on the other side is S386 and how it is perceived.
Even if the compromise is reached, expect S386 to be blocked, more likely by Republicans or the admin. Unfortunately the time for the bill was in pre-Covid days.”

If you are reading and everything then why are you making stupid statements? Did you not see that Lee and Durbin both are in agreement on the senate floor? Why are you saying Durbin is holding?

This bill has no DACA in it. Why are you talking about DACA and blaming Dems?

[excalibur123]

If you are reading and everything then why are you making stupid statements? Did you not see that Lee and Durbin both are in agreement on the senate floor? Why are you saying Durbin is holding?

This bill has no DACA in it. Why are you talking about DACA and blaming Dems?

Stupid statements? So much for the forum owner.

I said he delayed the compromise because he calculated Rs would block it.

Genius!

[qesehmk]

Stupid statements? So much for the forum owner.

I said he delayed the compromise because he calculated Rs would block it.

Genius!

Ok .. so if he had not delayed then Rick Scott would not have objected?

You also lie in addition to making stupid statements. Here is your own post few minutes back

Can you suggest what has changed between 8 months back and now, so he has removed his hold?

Also hasn't he been introducing alternative bills? In my view he would not have removed his hold but for his calculations for current climate.

[excalibur123]

Ok .. so if he had not delayed then Rick Scott would not have objected?

If the economy was roaring as it was, they could have passed it because there was no economic argument against it. And most importantly the elections were nowhere near last year.

Besides same question - why compromise now and not 8 months back? Why those other bills?

No one can predict future but with Covid and elections the calculations fell in Ds favor and they know Rs would not let it pass now. So they removed the hold.

[excalibur123]

Ok .. so if he had not delayed then Rick Scott would not have objected?

You also lie in addition to making stupid statements. Here is your own post few minutes back

Alright buddy I am out. Normally ppl send such behavior and posts to Mods. But here we are with you as forum owner calling people names.
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[qesehmk]

If the economy was roaring as it was, they could have passed it because there was no economic argument against it. And most importantly the elections were nowhere near last year.

Besides same question - why compromise now and not 8 months back? Why those other bills?

No one can predict future but with Covid and elections the calculations fell in Ds favor and they know Rs would not let it pass now. So they removed the hold.

This is twisted logic. Has no meaning to it. The fact is both major co-sponsors are on board. Durbin's party is entirely on board. It is GOP who is not.

Alright buddy I am out. Normally ppl send such behavior and posts to Mods. But here we are with you as forum owner calling people names.
Xxxx

Good luck. I wouldn't miss you.

[vbollu]

Rick Scott is the third republican senator who got objected to this bill. Some thing is not going well in the background. The discussions are happening from almost a year, didn't he get a chance to talk with Lee about his amendments/objections. The argument is so silly and never ever expected this from a dumb senator.