Bills, Rules & Politics

[idliman]

The strong radio silence is a good indicator that something big is going to happen next week

03AUG2020
11:30 AM

Official Schedule
The President meets with U.S. Tech Workers and signs an Executive Order on Hiring American
Cabinet Room
Restricted In-House Pool

At 12:30, He has lunch with VP Pence.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

03AUG2020
11:30 AM

Official Schedule
The President meets with U.S. Tech Workers and signs an Executive Order on Hiring American
Cabinet Room
Restricted In-House Pool

At 12:30, He has lunch with VP Pence.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...oreign-workers

[getsaby]

Yeee..........more power to Trump, I wonder what he has next for us!

[Blue_fairy]

here is the latest EO - https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...rican-workers/

[Ramsen]

03AUG2020
11:30 AM

Official Schedule
The President meets with U.S. Tech Workers and signs an Executive Order on Hiring American
Cabinet Room
Restricted In-House Pool

At 12:30, He has lunch with VP Pence.

I agree. Usually federal jobs are much less in numbers. If they are not able to find US workers even for that small numbers no point in USA having top class Universities

[qesehmk]

Stock·holm syn·drome


noun
noun: Stockholm syndrome


feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim toward a captor.

[qesehmk]

Here is an incomplete list of politicians that are rabidly anti-immigrant and even racist.
1) Donald Trump
2) Jeff Sessions
3) Steven King
4) David Ritter
5) Brian Kemp
6) Ron DeSantis
7) Paul Gossar

I do not remember IV EVER calling any one of them racist. As far as I am concerned, IV has gone to dogs. You should not let such idiots represent you. They are mixing right wing politics with immigration.

[AceMan]

Here is an incomplete list of politicians that are rabidly anti-immigrant and even racist.
1) Donald Trump
2) Jeff Sessions
3) Steven King
4) David Ritter
5) Brian Kemp
6) Ron DeSantis
7) Paul Gossar

I do not remember IV EVER calling any one of them racist. As far as I am concerned, IV has gone to dogs. You should not let such idiots represent you. They are mixing right wing politics with immigration.

The first person is not by any stretch a racist. The complete irony is the basket cases who support him are the people whom he despise the most.

In fact it is going to be sad watching him lose this election against a silent Biden unless he gets some divine intervention. As a President you are the representative of the people who did not vote for you as well.

[vbollu]

Here is an incomplete list of politicians that are rabidly anti-immigrant and even racist.
1) Donald Trump
2) Jeff Sessions
3) Steven King
4) David Ritter
5) Brian Kemp
6) Ron DeSantis
7) Paul Gossar

I do not remember IV EVER calling any one of them racist. As far as I am concerned, IV has gone to dogs. You should not let such idiots represent you. They are mixing right wing politics with immigration.

I agree with you on this, these are opposing any kind of immigration from day one on wards, where as Durbin is not like that. He is talking immigration in the senate floor from past 12-15 years and he is one the who supported the bill in 2011. Right now in any body view he is the only one senator who is stopping the bill and obviously every one target is Durbin. Personally I don't support calling him racist or with any other name, even in normally life I don't use such words. Earlier I thought he is a decent guy and me and my wife made several calls every day before pandemic and requested please work with lee with good faith and pass the bill, but none of the things got worked. Day by day he is introducing new bills and creating obstacles for current bill, showing his worst behavior.

[jimmys]

The first person is not by any stretch a racist. The complete irony is the basket cases who support him are the people whom he despise the most.

In fact it is going to be sad watching him lose this election against a silent Biden unless he gets some divine intervention. As a President you are the representative of the people who did not vote for you as well.

All DJT has to do is, bring "silent Biden" to the presidential debate.

[vsivarama]

All DJT has to do is, bring "silent Biden" to the presidential debate.

Frankly, too much is being made out of the debates. Worst case scenario is that JB is going to sleep walk through all the debates. Even then, DJT cannot whitewash his record of 160K deaths and counting on his watch.

[qesehmk]

The first person is not by any stretch a racist. The complete irony is the basket cases who support him are the people whom he despise the most.

In fact it is going to be sad watching him lose this election against a silent Biden unless he gets some divine intervention. As a President you are the representative of the people who did not vote for you as well.

The first person said he doesn't want brown immigration and norway would be ok. That makes him racist.

[idliman]

Maybe we should ask for separate EB GC carve out for people good in native games like Gilli Danda, Snakes & Ladders, Hopscotch, Pallankuzhi, etc. I can get a document written in native language (from a village) and translated into English by a certified translator outlining my expertise.

I have analyzed this situation over the last few years (sometimes even in sleep) and came to the conclusion that the entire world is getting benefited because of the backlog of one single country. No one will let it go that easily. You need a leader that can show this inequality to the whole world.

It looks like CIR is the way to go. Problem is it happens only once in a blue moon (every 20 years or so) where there is rare cosmic alignment. The gang of 8 could not get it through House. The last relevant immigration proposal was the AC21 about 20 years back.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

Maybe we should ask for separate EB GC carve out for people good in native games like Gilli Danda, Snakes & Ladders, Hopscotch, Pallankuzhi, etc. I can get a document written in native language (from a village) and translated into English by a certified translator outlining my expertise.

I have analyzed this situation over the last few years (sometimes even in sleep) and came to the conclusion that the entire world is getting benefited because of the backlog of one single country. No one will let it go that easily. You need a leader that can show this inequality to the whole world.

It looks like CIR is the way to go. Problem is it happens only once in a blue moon (every 20 years or so) where there is rare cosmic alignment. The gang of 8 could not get it through House. The last relevant immigration proposal was the AC21 about 20 years back.

Stars and planets have to align may not be far from the truth. The issue is every time a Democrat has come to the WH (since I came here in 2000) and they had the Senate/House, there has been a crisis of Biblical proportions unfolding. In 2008, it was the economic crisis and now even if they make it, they have Covid + Economy + BLM protests to deal with. Usually it will take a year or more to resolve it and by then it will be time for the mid terms. Then they will lose one Chamber and gridlock for the next 2 yrs. Rinse and repeat. These 4 year terms with mid terms are maddening to me. Every other year is always an “election year” and nothing will get done past June. I cut out cable a few years back and barely watch the news because it’s unwatchable because of the polarized coverage on BOTH sides. I used to look forward to Fall sports and working with my daughter since she is a high caliber softball player, but all that is done and over with for this year so it’s going to be a long Fall and Winter. I can’t wait for the elections to get over for one year of relative Political peace so to speak and sincerely hope that all our families make it to Spring without losing anyone.

[idliman]

It's Friday. See source article at:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuarta.../#351c59fa79bd

The legal justification part is:

Trump’s thinking, Axios reported, is “heavily influenced” by former Bush administration attorney John Yoo, who wrote in a National Review article, the Supreme Court's 5-4 DACA [Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals] ruling last month “makes it easy for presidents to violate the law.”

“I said, ‘Why not just take the DACA opinion itself and do a search-replace. And every time it says ‘DACA’ ... replace it with ‘skills-based immigration system,’” Yoo said he told the White House. “This gives President Trump an alternative to create such a program, at least for a few years,” reported the Associated Press. “Not long after the conversations, Trump began promising a series of new executive orders on a range of issues.” Legal scholars dispute Yoo’s interpretation of the Supreme Court decision, arguing it restricted, not expanded executive branch authority.

I was wondering what can he do legally without passing a law. In my understanding, the president has authority to prioritize something for a valid reason (Covid or Workload prioritization for DACA). Is he going to prioritize processing of GCs based on his Merit metrics? If he does that he has to make everyone current. I don't think he would do anything like that, as it will provide EAD's to millions. He prioritize the processing of EAD's too based on the Merit scheme. Sure the immigration attorneys will have fun. With my scarce to zero legal expertise, I am wondering if there is even a 10% legal validity or justification. Of course he can just do whatever he wants and acts like he always does.

The last time, I did a check on Sen Tom Cotton's merit based metrics, I did not get enough points even with top most educational qualification. That's because it gave points based on current age and not age when you first arrived in USA. So if you are a back logger who arrived 15-25 years back, you will get zero points for age.

Anyway the wise people of this forum, care to speculate?

[qesehmk]

It's Friday. See source article at:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuarta.../#351c59fa79bd

The legal justification part is:


I was wondering what can he do legally without passing a law. In my understanding, the president has authority to prioritize something for a valid reason (Covid or Workload prioritization for DACA). Is he going to prioritize processing of GCs based on his Merit metrics? If he does that he has to make everyone current. I don't think he would do anything like that, as it will provide EAD's to millions. He prioritize the processing of EAD's too based on the Merit scheme. Sure the immigration attorneys will have fun. With my scarce to zero legal expertise, I am wondering if there is even a 10% legal validity or justification. Of course he can just do whatever he wants and acts like he always does.

The last time, I did a check on Sen Tom Cotton's merit based metrics, I did not get enough points even with top most educational qualification. That's because it gave points based on current age and not age when you first arrived in USA. So if you are a back logger who arrived 15-25 years back, you will get zero points for age.

Anyway the wise people of this forum, care to speculate?

Look no further than the last sentence of the first paragraph of the Forbes article. Very well sums it up what DJT is upto. They view all immigration as unnecessary and rather dangerous to American way of life.

As per John Yoo he is the same immoral person who defended Bush Govt during Iraq war and argued that torture is ok.

[idliman]

Look no further than the last sentence of the first paragraph of the Forbes article. Very well sums it up what DJT is upto. They view all immigration as unnecessary and rather dangerous to American way of life.

As per John Yoo he is the same immoral person who defended Bush Govt during Iraq war and argued that torture is ok.

I was looking from the standpoint of will it help some of the EB people in backlog? Obviously many of us in backlog are better qualified in any merit scheme when compared to Pizza workers, Uber drivers & such. So any ray of hope?

[vedu]

I was looking from the standpoint of will it help some of the EB people in backlog? Obviously many of us in backlog are better qualified in any merit scheme when compared to Pizza workers, Uber drivers & such. So any ray of hope?

In my opinion, there are no new immigration bills that can be passed and help people in backlog in near future. So, the only thing that can help is these restrictionist policies and the resulting spillover/spill across, etc., etc. No matter how much restrictionist the policies will become, they can never harm genuine merit-based cases which are present inside the country, but can only help them by lowering the demand pressure significantly.

Also, CIR has never been a first term agenda for any president, so it will not happen for four years if there is a new administration. The best the new administration will do is to reverse current administration's restrictive policies and will replace them with "Welcoming" policies, which will bring back the demand pressure. Of course, I can be wrong on this last point about CIR, but it is highly unlikely.

[qesehmk]

I was looking from the standpoint of will it help some of the EB people in backlog? Obviously many of us in backlog are better qualified in any merit scheme when compared to Pizza workers, Uber drivers & such. So any ray of hope?

Very hard to say without A) knowing the details of his proposal B) understanding the legal standing of whatever those proposals are.

However I tend to agree that Trump's interpretation of DACA loss as a nod from SC to implement new laws is totally flawed and hence will be struck down immediately if a new administration comes in.

DACA was more about effective utilization of executive branch resources. What Trump is attempting to do is create executive priorities that cut existing laws.

e.g. Obama saying he does not have resources to deport children (even though technically they are violating federal immigration law) recognizes the law.

Trump saying he is going to allocate visas but in a different way than current laws is actual violation of laws.

p.s. - Trump can use DACA interpretation to say he will stop issuing visas and I believe courts will agree with him using DACA ruling as precedent.

[vsivarama]

I was looking from the standpoint of will it help some of the EB people in backlog? Obviously many of us in backlog are better qualified in any merit scheme when compared to Pizza workers, Uber drivers & such. So any ray of hope?

Helping qualified people is not the priority of this or any admin/congress. Look at the S386 fiasco. We currently do not have a skills only based immigration system in US. All we have are diversity based immigration programs, out of which one happens to consider skills as an after thought. I do not see a way an EO can be used to help people based on merit as currently we do not have a merit only based program and that can only be created through congress.

[vedu]

Helping qualified people is not the priority of this or any admin/congress. Look at the S386 fiasco. We currently do not have a skills only based immigration system in US. All we have are diversity based immigration programs, out of which one happens to consider skills as an after thought. I do not see a way an EO can be used to help people based on merit as currently we do not have a merit only based program and that can only be created through congress.

This is unfortunately true! Ideally, I would like my US Citizen kids to live in a society based on "Meritocracy" and not based on "Nepotism".

[AceMan]

Look no further than the last sentence of the first paragraph of the Forbes article. Very well sums it up what DJT is upto. They view all immigration as unnecessary and rather dangerous to American way of life.

As per John Yoo he is the same immoral person who defended Bush Govt during Iraq war and argued that torture is ok.

I did not interpret it that way. There are words like thinking, influence. There is lot of assumptions here to create a smoke screen.

[qesehmk]

I did not interpret it that way. There are words like thinking, influence. There is lot of assumptions here to create a smoke screen.

I am ok with new merit based immigration .... but that is hardly an improvement over current system which is market driven merit based as opposed to government driven merit based that trump is going to propose.

Then when you add politics into the mix - it is going to turn into a disaster IMHO. But that's just my opinion and there are bigger issues in immigration like lack of sufficient numbers. So merit based or not is just shuffling chairs on the deck.

[AceMan]

I am ok with new merit based immigration .... but that is hardly an improvement over current system which is market driven merit based as opposed to government driven merit based that trump is going to propose.

Then when you add politics into the mix - it is going to turn into a disaster IMHO. But that's just my opinion and there are bigger issues in immigration like lack of sufficient numbers. So merit based or not is just shuffling chairs on the deck.

There are multiple concerns here. US sees the receiver of benefits as some body with greater need than themselves irrespective of political affiliation.

However the backlogged people are seen as rich snooty people and our needs always appear to be shallow in front of the law makers. It comes as we don’t need it in their eyes

[vsivarama]

The rich snooty people are more likely to be job creators. So not sure if lawmakers are ready to discount that. Any merit based plan without country quotas is a good plan, but it needs to have a plan for backlogged folks with points for US job experience, salaries and priority dates. They can always have variable points for different occupation classifications for which the points are adjusted based on labor shortage.