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    Head of the thread updated with final conclusion (at least as of today).

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    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    My conclusion is not based in belief. My conclusion is based on what I am seeing. I will explain that in a minute. But first I just want to say that for your own benefit it is better to not make this partisan topic. Simply study recent history of immigration since 2000 and you will see that a section of GOP is totally anti-immigrants. And so the key to any immigration bill is DEMs+moderate republicans. To my knowledge there are virtually no DEMs that oppose immigration. You simply do not know history enough and are picking non-meritworthy points to say DEMs are anti-legal-immigration. That is not correct. Since 2000 DEMs have tried a lot but it was always republican congress that blocked any bill. Durbin was part of Gang of 8 along with rubio, mccain, schumer etc.

    Regarding Durbin it is ample clear that he is totally amenable. He is already shown willingness to let go the so called "poison pill" of increasing quota. I am totally amazed that IV - the eternal moron brigade - doesn't blame republicans ever for not wanting to increase EB quota and yet when Durbin let go this demand and is willing to work on the rest they fail to recognize his good intentions.

    Second - durbin not only had an agreement done with Lee but also was able to get his party on board with him. That is HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE.

    Why can't we say the same about GOP side? It is because they never had ANY intention to pass S386. That is the reason first they had Sen. Lee, a lightweight senator, sponsor it. Because no serious GOP senator wants this failure in case they are not successful on pinning it on Durbin.

    Durbin and Lee both knew walking in yesterday and day before yesterday what the outcome was going to be. Their moves were like chess moves. But Durbin not only outplayed Lee but that he did it in a dignified way. He exposed GOP without getting personal with Lee. The same can not be said about Lee who had a very hard time containing his frustration with his own party but he tried unsuccessfully to pin it on Durbin. His arguments were bizarre. e.g. On one had he was party to the Dec agreement where both him and Durbin had acknowledged that they have to get their parties on board. So Durbin never said Lee had his party with him. But Lee said he agreed with the agreement against his better judgement. Now that's an after the fact 20/20 when Lee failed to get his part on board. The poor guy learnt it hard way that he is made Bakara or sacrificial lamb here.

    The reason I say Durbin is a gentlman, is because Durbin has been silent all along, playing these games without hurting his GOP partner Lee. He said no word that will show Lee in poor light despite the failure of Lee. Durbin's bill about children was also something that had ZERO implications on american workers. Lee has no objection to it. But he knew his party was not with him and as a junior member of GOP, he can not expose his party. So he had to concoct some BS why he has to object.

    I mean, if you and IV can not see these games, seriously guys return the donations to people and stop this damn advocacy. You guys are mucking it up and hurting any chances with Biden administration by being so partisan and person with a person who actually is our friend.

    I think I do know the source of IV's partisan attitude. But i am going to bite my tongue here and say that each person please take a deep breath and evaluate the situation with the framework of thought I am applying. You will likely than not come to the same conclusion as me.

    Q,

    I understand your points and agree with your argument. I did not say Republicans are friends of legal immigration , I said people had bad experience during Democrats rule. BTW, I respect your service to the community . I am no fan of IV or GOP . All politicians are same including Durbin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarAwayfromGC View Post
    Q,

    I understand your points and agree with your argument. I did not say Republicans are friends of legal immigration , I said people had bad experience during Democrats rule. BTW, I respect your service to the community . I am no fan of IV or GOP . All politicians are same including Durbin.
    No worries my friend. I have personally beaten this topic to death because I strongly felt that Durbin who is jewish, and actually loves India and is pro-immigration was unnecessarily getting bad mouthed by IV.

    As far as you and I are concerned, we are on the same side. Our perspectives may be slightly different but goal is the same. Alleviate this suffering of ALL backlogged folks. Good luck to you!
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    I really hope that some kind of additional funding is included in one of these upcoming mega bills to avoid this. This will have devastating consequences for the last 4 months of the year

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    This from Indian Immigration forum @theimmiforum

    BREAKING NEWS! Watch this space for news to evolve on #S386!

    We are thankful to those who support positive advocacy. We will continue to fight for rights of immigrants in the backlog.

    Is something in the offing? There is no noise from the other more prominent organizations from both sides
    Last edited by gs1968; 07-29-2020 at 02:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gs1968 View Post
    This from Indian Immigration forum @theimmiforum

    BREAKING NEWS! Watch this space for news to evolve on #S386!

    We are thankful to those who support positive advocacy. We will continue to fight for rights of immigrants in the backlog.

    Is something in the offing? There is no noise from the other more prominent organizations from both sides
    Apparently Durbin has restarted negotiations again with Lee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly View Post
    Apparently Durbin has restarted negotiations again with Lee.
    That is awesome news although it is hard to see where the middle ground is. Sen. Durbin has almost run out the clock and is negotiating from a position of strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gs1968 View Post
    That is awesome news although it is hard to see where the middle ground is. Sen. Durbin has almost run out the clock and is negotiating from a position of strength.
    Just one poison pill is enough. With the state of affairs, even a quarter poison (toddler strength potion) will do. I feel Déjà vu all over again.

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    CIR is not happening any time in the near future no matter who comes to power so to look at that as a means to reduce the backlogs is a dead end. If current admin comes back, they still will likely lose the House and at a minimum there will be 2 more years or gridlock. Even if Biden wins, there are going to be far more important things to do as a matter of priority: dispense the vaccines, repair the economy and get people back to work and that rightfully will be most important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idliman View Post
    Just one poison pill is enough. With the state of affairs, even a quarter poison (toddler strength potion) will do. I feel Déjà vu all over again.
    Even though we have seen this story running in various formats for last 10 years, the story attracts the same loyal viewers looking for a different end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gs1968 View Post
    That is awesome news although it is hard to see where the middle ground is. Sen. Durbin has almost run out the clock and is negotiating from a position of strength.
    This is just for optics. When this is not passed and he’s blamed for it for years down the line, he can always claim he tried multiple times for it. Future-proofing himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly View Post
    Apparently Durbin has restarted negotiations again with Lee.
    I strongly feel that this must have been the other way around. Sen. Durbin has no incentive to negotiate after what happened on the senate floor. There is limited time before the August recess and momentum is hard to regain. Sen. Durbin objected to the bill last September and its nearly 10 months since. I am sure they have been talking all this time to break the impasse. Hopefully there is a resolution

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    Quote Originally Posted by gs1968 View Post
    I strongly feel that this must have been the other way around. Sen. Durbin has no incentive to negotiate after what happened on the senate floor. There is limited time before the August recess and momentum is hard to regain. Sen. Durbin objected to the bill last September and its nearly 10 months since. I am sure they have been talking all this time to break the impasse. Hopefully there is a resolution
    My usual view is that the party with the majority holds the upper hand and the bargaining power because ultimately Lee needs the ok from McConnell to do anything on the floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly View Post
    My usual view is that the party with the majority holds the upper hand and the bargaining power because ultimately Lee needs the ok from McConnell to do anything on the floor.
    All drama and tactics. The draft of Durbin's negotiation is already floating around. D knows august recess starts in 2 days and the Senate will have already checked out. He leaks things at 5:00 pm Getting Lee to agree without checking with other republicans will not happen. This when the Republicans cant agree on their own COVID relief package. Will they focus on the covid bill or this?....Lee will object if this thing is brought to a UC tomorrow.
    Last edited by android09; 07-29-2020 at 07:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by android09 View Post
    All drama and tactics. The draft of Durbin's negotiation is already floating around. D knows august recess starts in 2 days and the Senate will have already checked out. He leaks things at 5:00 pm Getting Lee to agree without checking with other republicans will not happen. This when the Republicans cant agree on their own COVID relief package. Will they focus on the covid bill or this?....Lee will object if this thing is brought to a UC tomorrow.
    Do you have a link for the draft handy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly View Post
    Do you have a link for the draft handy?
    New draft of #s386
    @SenatorDurbin & @SenMikeLee TODAY (almost accepted) :
    1. No 50:50 rule for 2 yr
    2. No GC number increase
    3. 15% to 5 % for ROW from year 1 to year 5 gradually decreasing
    What I saw on twitter

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    Thanks. The timeline is tight to get it done in the next two days with all the other fights going on. Kinda crazy how the UC works though that the whole thing could be done and over in 5 min or someone can object and completely derail it.

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    According to the poster these are the parts that are agreed to. So they split the difference between the 1 year that Durbin asked for against the 3 years in senator Lee's March bill. Nasscomm may still have issues with it. The lack of increase in green cards was expected. The transition period details are not clear past the 5th year. The only sticking point is the timing of EAD issuance. I hope it is retained at 270 days because a lot of students can convert from OPT to EAD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly View Post
    Thanks. The timeline is tight to get it done in the next two days with all the other fights going on. Kinda crazy how the UC works though that the whole thing could be done and over in 5 min or someone can object and completely derail it.
    Senate is in session next week. State work period does not start till Monday Aug 10 and lasts till after Labor day (sep 7)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gs1968 View Post
    Senate is in session next week. State work period does not start till Monday Aug 10 and lasts till after Labor day (sep 7)
    Ok that’s encouraging news. Maybe the last chance for country cap removal. If it doesn’t go through this time around, if Dems come to power, they will surely gut this and start over again and let it languish for another 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly View Post
    Ok that’s encouraging news. Maybe the last chance for country cap removal. If it doesn’t go through this time around, if Dems come to power, they will surely gut this and start over again and let it languish for another 4 years.
    I think if it really comes for UC then it will pass. The EAD provision will ensure that the US still remains attractive to foreign students from ROW

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    Even if it passes, doesn't it still have to be reconciled with the House bill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abcx13 View Post
    Even if it passes, doesn't it still have to be reconciled with the House bill?
    My gut feeling is that the house will pass it fairly quickly. It's fate will become uncertain if it has to go back to the senate for a second time

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    Quote Originally Posted by gs1968 View Post
    My gut feeling is that the house will pass it fairly quickly. It's fate will become uncertain if it has to go back to the senate for a second time
    It is like having 2 parallel universes. On one side is hyper-anti-immigration environment, economy and unemployment issues like never before, and looming elections with its gazillion dynamics and calculations.
    And on the other side is S386 and how it is perceived.
    Even if the compromise is reached, expect S386 to be blocked, more likely by Republicans or the admin. Unfortunately the time for the bill was in pre-Covid days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    No worries my friend. I have personally beaten this topic to death because I strongly felt that Durbin who is jewish, and actually loves India and is pro-immigration was unnecessarily getting bad mouthed by IV.

    As far as you and I are concerned, we are on the same side. Our perspectives may be slightly different but goal is the same. Alleviate this suffering of ALL backlogged folks. Good luck to you!
    Q,

    Thank you , whatever the politician are doing - - good or bad, we need to stay positive and hope to see something good at the end. I appreciate the work you do in that direction and to keep the community informed and motivated.

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