Discussion On The Politics of Immigration Reform (Comprehensive Or Otherwise)

[Ramsen]

As always immigration is top most priority issue for immigrants but for country and congress it least priority whether you accept or not.

Some practical issues

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...out-bills.html

[gcseeker]

Some practical issues

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...out-bills.html

Yup I agree there are multiple articles on this....Unless the situation in Syria resolves with Usa accepting a transfer of chemical weapons, the timeline leaves very little scope for taking up any other bills. Also next year the President has to deal with multiple issues and upcoming elections.

[gcseeker]

Nytimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/09/us...anted=all&_r=0

PBS

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/polit...oni_09-08.html

CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politi...nda/?hpt=po_c2

Policymic

http://www.policymic.com/articles/62...the-wrong-time


All the above articles highlight this

Put simply, immigration reform is hanging on by a very fine and easily broken thread. While Senate Gang of Eight members like John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) have been outwardly optimistic in their assessment of immigration reform's chances in the House, the fact is that with the addition of military intervention in Syria, it may be too much to overcome.

[idiotic]

There have been strong indications that House will cancel the September recess to work on the lengthy agendas for September and October as laid out by Eric Cantor officially..

Immigration fireworks will be in early October with piecemeal bills being taken up in the floor..

[idiotic]

There have been strong indications that House will cancel the September recess to work on the lengthy agendas for September and October as laid out by Eric Cantor officially..

Immigration fireworks will be in early October with piecemeal bills being taken up in the floor..

From Goodlatte himself in the last hour on a radio show..
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/10/hope-...october-votes/

[Jagan01]

There have been strong indications that House will cancel the September recess to work on the lengthy agendas for September and October as laid out by Eric Cantor officially..

Immigration fireworks will be in early October with piecemeal bills being taken up in the floor..

Its naive to believe everything everyone says about immigration...

I can see this movement fading as we speak... Haven't seen any progress since the passage of Senate bill... I am not expecting anything from Republicans...
I think it is time we realize that it is more to do with politics than commonsense... We can hope that Democrats get back the house in 2014 and then we can see the senate bill pass in 2015...

[gcseeker]

Its naive to believe everything everyone says about immigration...

I can see this movement fading as we speak... Haven't seen any progress since the passage of Senate bill... I am not expecting anything from Republicans...
I think it is time we realize that it is more to do with politics than commonsense... We can hope that Democrats get back the house in 2014 and then we can see the senate bill pass in 2015...

I would agree with this. Purely poltically speaking Obama is expending a lot of political capital on the Syria issue and then there is the impending debt ceiling discussion and if nothing is done the usa govt will not have money to meet its financial obligations by Oct 18th.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-happens-next/


I cannot imagine Immigration reform will be taken up in early October with that looming on the horizon.

[idiotic]

I cannot imagine Immigration reform will be taken up in early October with that looming on the horizon.

Piecemeal bills will brought to the house floor as next step in October to move the process forward. We are just weeks away and let us wait and watch.

[idiotic]

http://allthingsd.com/20130911/zucke...ration-reform/

“Mark is coming to Washington to discuss issues important to the knowledge economy, including immigration reform,” a Facebook spokesperson told AllThingsD.

[idiotic]

There have been strong indications that House will cancel the September recess to work on the lengthy agendas for September and October as laid out by Eric Cantor officially..

It's almost confirmed that House will be working overtime to finish appropriations bill.. Syria is also over "for now" already officially announced by Obama.. This will implicitly mean Immigration vote on piecemeal will be on track for early October..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...tember-recess/

[idiotic]

Ros-Lehtinen told MSNBC that the “Gang of 7″ bill could serve as an eventual compromise with the Senate down the road, but that it may have to wait until the House passes a series of more modest individual bills first.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/12/dont-...sail-congress/

[idiotic]

http://www.ibtimes.com/immigration-r...pelosi-1405522

Nancy Pelosi -- (minorty leader and architect behind getting ObamaCare passed) starts gets involved..

[idiotic]

Congress has a couple of weeks to get this done. If they’re focused on what the American people care about — faster growth, more jobs, better future for our kids — then I’m confident it will happen. And once we’re done with the budget, let’s focus on the other things that we know can make a difference for middle-class families — lowering the cost of college; finishing the job of immigration reform; taking up the work of tax reform to make the system fairer and promoting more investment in the United States.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...#ixzz2f5PhOGTg

[Jagan01]

Congress has a couple of weeks to get this done. If they’re focused on what the American people care about — faster growth, more jobs, better future for our kids — then I’m confident it will happen. And once we’re done with the budget, let’s focus on the other things that we know can make a difference for middle-class families — lowering the cost of college; finishing the job of immigration reform; taking up the work of tax reform to make the system fairer and promoting more investment in the United States.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...#ixzz2f5PhOGTg

I am getting a feeling that no one cares about the immigration reform anymore. Even within the immigrant community it is taking the backseat. I do not think the american citizens care about it anymore.

Delays are not good. Once we hit 2014, there would not be a compromise. Republicans will try and get back the Senate and Democrats will try and get back the House. I seriously hope either it ends up being Democrats in both chambers or Republicans in both chambers. If democrats in both chambers then the Senate bill passes and if Republicans in both chambers then something like HR2131 can pass

[idiotic]

I am getting a feeling that no one cares about the immigration reform anymore. Even within the immigrant community it is taking the backseat. I do not think the american citizens care about it anymore.

Delays are not good. Once we hit 2014, there would not be a compromise. Republicans will try and get back the Senate and Democrats will try and get back the House. I seriously hope either it ends up being Democrats in both chambers or Republicans in both chambers. If democrats in both chambers then the Senate bill passes and if Republicans in both chambers then something like HR2131 can pass

Wait till end of October and we will have clear picture.. For now, look up Eric Cantor's majority leader website for next week's legislative agenda and stay tuned.. Already farm bill is back along with budget fight Next will be immigration

[idiotic]

Wait till end of October and we will have clear picture.. For now, look up Eric Cantor's majority leader website for next week's legislative agenda and stay tuned.. Already farm bill is back along with budget fight Next will be immigration

If law do not pass before this year end, administration will do something like below (USCIS memo on alternatives to CIR)..

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic...ion-reform.pdf

[gcq]

If law do not pass before this year end, administration will do something like below (USCIS memo on alternatives to CIR)..

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic...ion-reform.pdf

USCIS goes out of way to make legal non-immigrant's life miserable. Se how creative they become to make life easier for CIR aspirants !

Also don't understand how granting EAD to H4 dependents to only those H1 applicants who has also filed for AOS helps them. If H1 applicant has filed AOS, isn't spouse able to apply for EAD automatically ? Don't see how USCIS is doing them a favor !

[idiotic]

USCIS goes out of way to make legal non-immigrant's life miserable. Se how creative they become to make life easier for CIR aspirants !

Also don't understand how granting EAD to H4 dependents to only those H1 applicants has also filed for AOS helps them. If H1 applicant has filed AOS, isn't spouse able to apply for EAD automatically ? Don't see how USCIS is doing them a favor !

These are set of things which they could make without breaking the immigration law as written in books to bring some relief to certain categories of immigrants... Administration should be praised for this .. This is an old memo and new one will be different if law does not pass in 2013.. Let's worry about the specifics then.. this is just FYI to learn some history..

[sstest]

Also don't understand how granting EAD to H4 dependents to only those H1 applicants who has also filed for AOS helps them. If H1 applicant has filed AOS, isn't spouse able to apply for EAD automatically ? Don't see how USCIS is doing them a favor !

gcq,

Under second and less discussed provision of AC-21, someone on H1B beyond 6 years, can extend it on a year to year basis. I think that is the AC 21 H1B type mentioned here.

I would love to see this extended to dependents of H1B tied to approved 140 but I suspect they are trying to interpret current definition of AC-21 in the most helpful manner - which will still help some people.

[idiotic]

U.S. President Barack Obama said on Tuesday he could support the House of Representatives taking a piece-by-piece approach to changing immigration policy as long as key elements such as a "pathway to citizenship" for undocumented immigrants were included.

"If those elements are contained in a bill, whether they come through the House a little bit at a time or they come in one fell swoop ... I'm less concerned about process, I'm more interested in making sure it gets done," he said.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/0...0HD28420130917

[qesehmk]

I think Obama will also eventually drop the path to citizenship as long as the reform is comprehensive - meaning - bringing those people out of the shadows and making them legal.

Oct is going to be an interesting month.

U.S. President Barack Obama said on Tuesday he could support the House of Representatives taking a piece-by-piece approach to changing immigration policy as long as key elements such as a "pathway to citizenship" for undocumented immigrants were included.

"If those elements are contained in a bill, whether they come through the House a little bit at a time or they come in one fell swoop ... I'm less concerned about process, I'm more interested in making sure it gets done," he said.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/0...0HD28420130917

[gcseeker]

I think Obama will also eventually drop the path to citizenship as long as the reform is comprehensive - meaning - bringing those people out of the shadows and making them legal.

Oct is going to be an interesting month.

http://swampland.time.com/2013/09/18...-be-the-worst/

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...ting-on-reform

Unfortunately it is increasingly looking like the president might not have the time to deal with this. The budget crisis is increasingly looking to be a major fight for both parties this time which might occupy all of october and the repubs are doing their best to defund obama care .Syria is on the backburner for now .

I just do not beleive congress has the will/time to get it passed in october...

[qesehmk]

That is true. That's why I said that Obama and Dems are looking for any victory on this topic and so as long as GOP can offer them a a deal that addresses 11m illegals - they will take it.

http://swampland.time.com/2013/09/18...-be-the-worst/

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...ting-on-reform

Unfortunately it is increasingly looking like the president might not have the time to deal with this. The budget crisis is increasingly looking to be a major fight for both parties this time which might occupy all of october and the repubs are doing their best to defund obama care .Syria is on the backburner for now .

I just do not beleive congress has the will/time to get it passed in october...

[druvraj]

That is true. That's why I said that Obama and Dems are looking for any victory on this topic and so as long as GOP can offer them a a deal that addresses 11m illegals - they will take it.

I have a different take on it. If the Dems compromise with Repubs on the immigration stuff they agree then not only can they claim victory on the immigration front but will have a better barganing chip with the budget thing. If they can compromise on the immigration issue(Which is good for the economy by quickly clearing all high skilled workers) Dems can get obamacare, debt ceiling increase and a compromise on tax reform. Only if they can not care so much for the 11M illegals gaining citizenship. I am all for 11M people can get LPRs don't get me wrong but the bigger picture is what I am looking at. After 2014 they can always revisit the citizenship clause but for now just look at the bigger picture.

[idiotic]

I have a different take on it. If the Dems compromise with Repubs on the immigration stuff they agree then not only can they claim victory on the immigration front but will have a better barganing chip with the budget thing. If they can compromise on the immigration issue(Which is good for the economy by quickly clearing all high skilled workers) Dems can get obamacare, debt ceiling increase and a compromise on tax reform. Only if they can not care so much for the 11M illegals gaining citizenship. I am all for 11M people can get LPRs don't get me wrong but the bigger picture is what I am looking at. After 2014 they can always revisit the citizenship clause but for now just look at the bigger picture.

Immigration is considered as a major legislative priority in second term just like ObamaCare in first term.
Debt Ceiling and budget issues are always there year after year..
Please view it from that prism..