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    Nothing will happen to GOP... because most of the educated Americans are against giving Amnesty to 11 million.. (the path to citizenship) So if immigration reform fails it will harm Democrats only.. (but this administration will do some executive order at that point that too only for dreamers and illegals). Again A country's immigration is only Legal immigration.. they should not give amnesty every 20 years to accomodate illegals (by keeping the legals hostages by democrats!). Most of the illegals won't work after they are legalised and they will be on welfare. Think about the big picture. Politicians wants the issue to be alive, they don't wan't to solve it. Most of the Senators and Congressmen's were lawyers in their previous profession. So any person can imagine what will happen.

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    There were no updates posted to the CIR Senate Judiciary Page about the amendments today. What is the frequency in which this get debated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seahawks2012 View Post
    There were no updates posted to the CIR Senate Judiciary Page about the amendments today. What is the frequency in which this get debated?
    I think all the amendments considered yesterday were updated already.The next Executive Business Meeting is on May 14 (Tuesday) and there should be further updates then

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    The most recent press release shows that Sen.Leahy after concurring with Sen.Grassley is going to address Title 4 regarding non-immigrant visas on May 14th

    http://www.leahy.senate.gov/press/se...form-next-week

    Interestingly I spelt 4 in Roman numerals and I got 2 asterisks as it is the same name as the other immigration website!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gs1968 View Post
    The most recent press release shows that Sen.Leahy after concurring with Sen.Grassley is going to address Title 4 regarding non-immigrant visas on May 14th

    http://www.leahy.senate.gov/press/se...form-next-week

    Interestingly I spelt 4 in Roman numerals and I got 2 asterisks as it is the same name as the other immigration website!
    Thank you GS. Good data point:
    "Leahy said the Committee will again meet on Tuesday and Thursday of next week, and future days as needed to complete consideration of the bipartisan legislation before the Memorial Day recess."

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    Quote Originally Posted by seahawks2012 View Post
    Thank you GS. Good data point:
    "Leahy said the Committee will again meet on Tuesday and Thursday of next week, and future days as needed to complete consideration of the bipartisan legislation before the Memorial Day recess."
    Title 4 amendments will be "truly" bipartisan. Anti-immigrants like Grassley want to mess up with non-immigrant visas. Union leaning democrats want it too. So it will be bipartisan for sure. Watch out !

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    If waiting for a Green Card is exhausting and one is looking for new places to immigrate-this is another option to consider

    http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/...ntcmp=features

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    Quote Originally Posted by gs1968 View Post
    If waiting for a Green Card is exhausting and one is looking for new places to immigrate-this is another option to consider

    http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/...ntcmp=features
    There's a per country limit though. So you won't be able to go there for 40 yrs.

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    Another teaser article but no definite timeline
    http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-va...migration-push

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    Sen.Portman on immigration
    http://www.newsrecord.org/news/campu...a4bcf6878.html

    Portman (R-Ohio) said he’s not in favor of mass deportation, a topic brought up by some Republican candidates during the 2012 elections, and he is not in favor of general amnesty for all illegal immigrants. Rather, he is in favor of reform that is somewhere between those two ends of the spectrum.

    I keep hearing this a lot from the Republicans.What are they trying to say? Is this where the Bill is headed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gs1968 View Post
    Sen.Portman on immigration
    http://www.newsrecord.org/news/campu...a4bcf6878.html

    Portman (R-Ohio) said he’s not in favor of mass deportation, a topic brought up by some Republican candidates during the 2012 elections, and he is not in favor of general amnesty for all illegal immigrants. Rather, he is in favor of reform that is somewhere between those two ends of the spectrum.

    I keep hearing this a lot from the Republicans.What are they trying to say? Is this where the Bill is headed?
    Republicans dont want illegals to have citizenship. that's the hang up. they are ok with RPI status or even LPR status - just no citizenship.

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    To vizcard
    Another fence-sitter with no clear views expressed one way or the other
    http://www.whby.com/index.php/News/WHBY_News/102345

    On an optimistic note he may be one of the more persuadable yes votes in the GOP but it is too late in the Senate to split the package.

    The real fight is in the House

    http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.c...ght-plan.html/

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    Hi Gurus,

    Please clarify, whether the CIR 2013 will create a big issue for all H1B employees working in the client site under EC or EVC model as given in the CIR Bill (H1B Outplacement section, Page 684 ad 685), it is really sensationalised in TOI

    http://prashanthiblog.com/prashanthi...rovisions.aspx

    http://www.ogletreedeakins.com/publi...E2%80%94update

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...on-reform-bill

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    This is going to mean a surge in green card filing by Indian IT companies. That will allow them to place candidates at client site.

    On another note - this provision actually will reduce the exploitation and abuse of H1B employees. So I don't understand what is the cause for worry?

    Finally - i am sure that eventually this will be a forward looking provision rather than retroactive (in the final bill). So hopefully that will rule out any impact on existing H1Bs.

    The entire CIR is too good to be true. So even if CIR were to pass with this kind of amendment ... that CIR will be extremely positive to all backlogged countries and candidates.


    Quote Originally Posted by GC4ALL View Post
    Hi Gurus,

    Please clarify, whether the CIR 2013 will create a big issue for all H1B employees working in the client site under EC or EVC model as given in the CIR Bill (H1B Outplacement section, Page 684 ad 685), it is really sensationalised in TOI

    http://prashanthiblog.com/prashanthi...rovisions.aspx

    http://www.ogletreedeakins.com/publi...E2%80%94update

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...on-reform-bill
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    CIR could help Legal immigrants as per this publication.

    http://www.thirdway.org/publications/692

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    please pay attention to the amendment process this week.Senator hatch has a number of amendments proposed to bring the Bill more in line with the I-squared Act but it is doubtful if the democrats and/or Senator Grassley will agree.These may come up for discussion on Thursday

    http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wir...2#.UZGZSspxrQg

    http://news.yahoo.com/business-labor...005508823.html
    Last edited by gs1968; 05-13-2013 at 09:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GC4ALL View Post
    Hi Gurus,

    Please clarify, whether the CIR 2013 will create a big issue for all H1B employees working in the client site under EC or EVC model as given in the CIR Bill (H1B Outplacement section, Page 684 ad 685), it is really sensationalised in TOI

    http://prashanthiblog.com/prashanthi...rovisions.aspx

    http://www.ogletreedeakins.com/publi...E2%80%94update

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...on-reform-bill
    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    This is going to mean a surge in green card filing by Indian IT companies. That will allow them to place candidates at client site.

    On another note - this provision actually will reduce the exploitation and abuse of H1B employees. So I don't understand what is the cause for worry?

    Finally - i am sure that eventually this will be a forward looking provision rather than retroactive (in the final bill). So hopefully that will rule out any impact on existing H1Bs.

    The entire CIR is too good to be true. So even if CIR were to pass with this kind of amendment ... that CIR will be extremely positive to all backlogged countries and candidates.
    Yes it will affect the outplacement model but as Q points out - in a good way. Downside is that fewer companies (and hence employees) will be eligible for H1s but upside is that those with H1 will be treated well.

    I don't quite remember the exact language of the bill, but it appeared to be vague in terms of timing. I haven't read the amendments related to those in detail.

    They will take up this topic tomorrow so tune in to the live webcast if you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GC4ALL View Post
    Hi Gurus,

    Please clarify, whether the CIR 2013 will create a big issue for all H1B employees working in the client site under EC or EVC model as given in the CIR Bill (H1B Outplacement section, Page 684 ad 685), it is really sensationalised in TOI

    http://prashanthiblog.com/prashanthi...rovisions.aspx

    http://www.ogletreedeakins.com/publi...E2%80%94update

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...on-reform-bill
    This is part of the CIR that was pushed by anti-immigrant: Grassley and Union guy: Durbin. Many lawyers seem to think that big corporations introduced this language. I don't think large corporations like Microsoft supported it. I speculate this is how it might have happened.

    This is part of Durbin/Grassley H1B bill they had been pushing for a while. They included that into the CIR. Grassley is anti-immgrant. However what gives traction to this language is the union/Durbin who is probably the second ranking democratic leader in Senate after Schumer.

    Parties that were involved in high skill part of CIR is Compete America( all major companies and **). ** founder is from University background. He and the almighty pappu seems to think in the lines of Durbin. If you read their forum, you can easily figure that out. People who should have opposed this, ** or compete america didn't do it because it didn't affect their agenda.

    Consulting companies on the other hand dealt with laws against them with the attitude, "it doesn't affect me, it will only affect small companies". When law was made applicable to all kind of consulting companies, there were none representing their interests in the negotiation process.

    Lawyers who cry foul against the law targeting consulting companies, didn't do anything to even fight the Jan 8 memo. All they did was to come up with some sort of document after 1 month after the memo came out. AILA is not willing to do anything about it. They just cry foul when they are going to lose a large chunk of their business.

    IMO if you are concerned about this law in CIR, why wait till CIR ? Move over to some full time position and take care of yourself !

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcq View Post
    This is part of the CIR that was pushed by anti-immigrant: Grassley and Union guy: Durbin. Many lawyers seem to think that big corporations introduced this language. I don't think large corporations like Microsoft supported it...
    Wrong. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/us...pagewanted=all

    Quote Originally Posted by nytimes
    Companies like Facebook and Intel use them largely to bring workers to their own offices. Consulting companies like Tata, based in India, use them to supply computer workers at American banks, oil companies and sometimes software firms.

    Critics of H-1B visas point out that they mostly bring workers at the lowest pay scales. The technology industry’s main rivals in these negotiations were lawmakers who have long been critical of guest worker visa programs, chiefly Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, and groups that represent American engineers.

    Silicon Valley lobbyists told Senate negotiators they agreed that the H1-B visa system had been subject to abuse. Go after the companies that take advantage of guest worker visas and give us the benefit of the doubt, they told the Senate staff members, according to interviews with several lobbyists.

    “You know and we know there are some bad people in this system,” is how Scott Corley, the president of Compete America, a technology industry coalition, recalled the conversation. “We are simply trying to make sure that as they are pursuing the rats they are not sinking the ship.”

    That acknowledgment, several lobbyists said privately, helped unlock an impasse in negotiations.

    What emerged was a Senate measure that allows American technology companies to procure many more skilled guest worker visas, raising the limit to 110,000 a year from 65,000 under current law, along with a provision to expand it further based on market demand. The bill would also allow these companies to move workers on guest visas more easily to permanent resident visas, freeing up more temporary visas for these companies.

    But it requires them to pay higher wages for guest workers and to post job openings on a Web site, so Americans can have a chance at them. And it draws a line in the sand between these technology firms and the mostly Indian companies that supply computer workers on H-1B visas for short-term jobs at companies in the United States.

    “This provision accomplishes the goal of discouraging abuse of the program while providing an important incentive for companies to bring top talent to work in the United States for the long-term, where they will contribute to our economy,” said Mr. Kaplan, the former Republican White House aide who is now the vice president for United States public policy at Facebook.

    The bill is written in such a way that it penalizes companies that have a large share of foreign guest workers among their United States work forces, eventually making it impossible for them to bring in any more. It allows large American companies that have many more American workers to continue to import workers. And it includes a provision that exempts from the guest worker count those employees that companies sponsor for green cards, essentially a bonus to American businesses like Facebook whose work forces are growing fast.

    Companies that provide temporary foreign workers say the move is intended to push them out of the American market.

    These companies, mostly based in India, have far less good will on Capitol Hill. Their hope now rests with convincing lawmakers that it would be counterproductive to punish them.
    I fully support these provisions. Will keep bodyshoppers out and the H1Bs that come will be treated better and have more opportunities.

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    abcx - i never thought I would say this - but I really agree with you on this one! I think it will be good for Indians and good for Americans.

    The only thing I don't like here is that it gives unfair advantage to American IT companies. But then Indian IT companies never had the guts to become truly engineering companies. Such a shame and hence I wouldn't complain about that either.
    Quote Originally Posted by abcx13 View Post
    I fully support these provisions. Will keep bodyshoppers out and the H1Bs that come will be treated better and have more opportunities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abcx13 View Post
    Wrong. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/us...pagewanted=all



    I fully support these provisions. Will keep bodyshoppers out and the H1Bs that come will be treated better and have more opportunities.
    H1Bs coming to US ?
    Route1: Through the same consulting companies
    Route2: Education route ( which is illegal as per the current law)

    These laws will block the first route. That is all what it does.
    As for consulting companies guts, I will say they don't have the guts to stand up for themselves.
    Consulting companies are in consulting business. There is no point comparing against Microsoft/Googles. They are 2 different business models.

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    This from Senator Rubio's office
    "Rubio "disappointed" Judiciary Comm rejected Sessions' biometric database amendment, will "fight to add" it on Senate floor, office says"

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    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    abcx - i never thought I would say this - but I really agree with you on this one! I think it will be good for Indians and good for Americans.

    The only thing I don't like here is that it gives unfair advantage to American IT companies. But then Indian IT companies never had the guts to become truly engineering companies. Such a shame and hence I wouldn't complain about that either.
    For more than one decade Indian companies had unfair advantage by hiring only Indians with much lower rates than American companies. Also those who were working on Indian companies had job security with guranteed green card. If this provisons are done then everyone will become almost equal and talent will be rewarded more

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    After all the positive energy today-a needlessly downbeat article

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...374.html?hp=f2

    BTW-I felt today that the committee both Republicans and Democrats piled on the H-1B Program.Did other forum members feel the same?
    Last edited by gs1968; 05-14-2013 at 07:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gs1968 View Post
    After all the positive energy today-a needlessly downbeat article

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...374.html?hp=f2

    BTW-I felt today that the committee both Republicans and Democrats piled on the H-1B Program.Did other forum members feel the same?
    It is a good article. I won't say needless. It is just pointing to the reality. It looks too real. Obviously, house group has problems coming up with the bill and it is not sure if they would come with that at all or not. There was another article where Gutierrez had said if bill does not come by end of the month then it won't come at all. I do not know whether it is a good thing or bad thing. If house ends up taking the senate bill, this is not such a bad thing.

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