Not true, I have an MS in STEM with EB3. I know so many of my friends have an MS degree but stuck in EB3 mess.Originally Posted by rupen86
Not true, I have an MS in STEM with EB3. I know so many of my friends have an MS degree but stuck in EB3 mess.
Let's say some people from Eb2 move to this category (assume Eb6) and some from Eb3 will move here (I do not think Eb3 number would be significant). So in this case, there would be little reduced backlog from Eb3 but at the same time Eb2 is not loosing because it is getting whatever it was getting and some of the people are moving to new category which should help Eb2 also. I did not understand your point of this being detrimental to Eb2-I
Please spare two minutes of your life to make calls to Senators urging them to pass HR 3012. You have nothing to lose.
Two more news reports on the STEM Bill
http://www.newsmax.com/US/gop-visas-...9/17/id/452039
http://www.voxxi.com/republicans-pus...ress-recesses/
First off, I called all 4 of my senators and left messages urging support for HR3012. I think they all have received several of these calls. I do not know if these calls will help, but it took barely over 5 minutes altogether, so not a large investment on my part. You guys should too.
Secondly, from a quick read of the GOP STEM bill, I believe it will bring a visible but not significant benefit to EB3I, a significant benefit to EB3ROW and only a delayed benefit to EB2I. Here is why.
a) These add 55,000 visas per year. These are applied with country caps in place. So, EB2 and EB3 I only receive about 3,850 of these. There are currently over 50,000 people in the EB3I queue pre-2007. I would expect at least 25% of these folks have a US masters degree. That would account for all the 3,850 for a couple of years at least, and since these folks have PDs earlier than EB2I, none flow down to EB2I. You can also bet once this is implemented, and since on-line and part-time degrees are included, it will form a far better avenue for EB3 folks to port, so EB2I will not get any of these until the EB3I queue improves significantly, several years down the road.
b) The remaining 47,300 of these (assuming China also uses up 3,850) will first serve to drop down to EB3ROW (and some EB2ROW folks). At about 14,000 per year for 6 years (2007 through 2012) there will be 84,000 folks in the EB3ROW queue (not just in the Inventory - that's only pre July 2007). For this to contribute to spillover in year 1, we would be looking for less than 56% of them to have US STEM Masters. I haven't seen any numbers behind how many EB3ROW folks have STEM masters but in any case, this category will only contribute to EB2I after EB3ROW has moved significantly forward.
Ofcourse I would support any STEM visa bill as it would provide me with an indirect benefit (via spillovers in year 2), but I believe it will only serve to increase the spread between ROW and I timeframes, and so only increase the unfairness of country caps.
Interesting analysis. I thought on-line and part-time degrees will be excluded unless they aren't from a small list (200-300) of research institutions. And I haven't read the bill, but I assumed you can't port from EB3 to this new STEM visa since technically your job doesn't require a MS even if you have one (same argument as why these ppl aren't eligible for EB2 despite having a MS)? If you can port from EB3 to STEM just by virtue of having a MS, even if online schools are excluded, then I agree with you that EB2I could be slow moving for a while (though I doubt there are 56% with a US STEM MS in EB3ROW).
[QUOTE=Pedro Gonzales;30065]... so EB2I will not get any of these until the EB3I queue improves significantly, several years down the road.
Did not understand above. Why should spillover go to EB3 first? EB3 can have US Masters but so can EB2 (higher chances).
Of course, if they keep per-country cap, we would see more contention in coming years since the university admission data is very different for international students.
If EB2 and EB3 applicants with STEM MS end up in this new category, say EB6, with country quotas, then EB6-I will have a lot of ppl from EB3-I with pre-07 PDs. Unless there is SO across within EB6 from EB6-ROW, EB6-I will be retrogressed for a while and will be processed in order of PD (generally speaking). So those EB3I porters with older PDs will benefit and EB2Is will still languish.
Sen. Charles Schumer is introducing the version that Rep. Zoe Lofgren introduced in the house. There is no chance I think Rep. Smiths bill can get 2/3rd of the votes.
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-va...migration-bill
Did have hopes on HR 3012, but I can bet you a dollar that bill is dead.
Look, there's a lot of talk. I view it as a good thing even if it turns out to be political posturing. Who knows? Maybe the 1% probability that they can compromise actually comes true. And maybe there will be some STEM/immigration reform next year if both houses are controlled by the same party after the elections.
At this point though, some senior leaders in the House and the Senate will really have to coordinate and show some true bipartisanship, which in this case, I think, should involve the Republicans yielding and passing STEM in addition to DV.
Last edited by abcx13; 09-17-2012 at 05:43 PM.
If congress is really interested in removing country quota they could have removed atleast in this 55k no of gcs
Can you please expand that?
There is some more information on Smith's bill at,
http://www.fairus.org/legislative-up...mber-17-2012#1
Some of the in-built restriction (cap, labor, etc.) gives me the feeling that if and when the bill becomes law, the 55k visas may not be completely utilized in a given FY.
I called the Senators. But my feeling is, nothing is going to happen till lame duck. In fact, now I am doubting whether anything regarding legal imigration would happen during lame duck. Any immigration bill will only move forward if one party has majority both in the House and the Sente. If BO wins with majority, which it seems could happen looking at the poll numbers, expect no stand-alone legal immigration reform. Democrats will not touch legal immigration without making it a part of CIR. If Republicans win with majority and end up controlling both the House and Senate, we have a small hope of some legal immigration reform but their tea-party members can derail it especially since the economy is not showing any signs of improvement and unemployment hovering around 8 percent. Personally, I have more hopes on Democrats doing something about immigration than Republicans even though in general, Republicans are more pro-legal immigration. I really wish to be proved wrong but until some miracle happens, I don't see these guys getting together on any issue till the elections are over.
Last edited by Jonty Rhodes; 09-18-2012 at 12:41 AM.
If HR 3012 is passed along with this, then there could be more significant effect.
Interesting quote on BHO:
"Similarly, President Obama has urged businesses that have long lobbied for more skilled green cards to not support the Smith bill. "
That says it all. He supports a bunch of illegal kids and lottery winners over people who have studied and worked hard in this country. Rank cowardice - but what else can you expect from someone who is proud of drone attacks...
P.S. - Yes, I know they were kids and likely did nothing wrong, but if you can legalize them, you should legalize *legal* immigrants too. He should really just cook up another exec order once this legislation stalls - like not counting dependents...
BO and Democrats won't do it because they see no political gains from it. People who are stuck in backlogs will not immediately become eligible to vote so he won't do it when the election is hovering around. He made those illegals legal to play gallery to the other Latino voters who are US citizens which is a large chunk of vote he can get. I don't think that Democrats are against legal immigration in general but this is all just a big part of the political game.
I don't know what's the association of "being proud of drone attacks" and "making illegals legal". In fact, Republicans have not opposed BO's policy of drone attacks in Afghanistan either. At least, on that point, they have a consensus.
Cowardice. The only reason he legalized the kids was to win votes and because he didn't have the courage to actually push it through Congress in his first 2 years when the Dems controlled both houses. He could also have done an EA at any other time. The only reason he did it was for the votes.
This is an easy bill. I don't think people care too much about the DV lottery anyway. Most Americans I know would be happy to see a STEM visa instead of the stupid DV. But then the people I know would also support just increasing the immigration limit...
The Democrats may not be against illegal immigration but they seem to think bullshit liberal bleeding heart causes like amnesty and a diversity lottery are more important than legal immigration. Seriously, which other country has a freaking lottery for visas?
abc - i am not going to debate anything else you mentioned. I have mixed opinions on these things. But I think the phrase - BHO - you used is used by republicans to indirectly stoke anti muslim sentiments.
While we may or may not agree with Obama or Bush or whoever; we should try not to single out or stereotype a particular group (muslim or otherwise) in negative way. You probably didn't mean it. But please be mindful about it.
I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
I do run this site only as an administrator. Our goal is to improve clarity of GC process to help people plan their lives better.
Use the info at your risk. None of this is legal advice.
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Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. I use BHO the same way people use GWB. My bad. I also used to call the Japanese Japs until someone pointed out that it was offensive.
abc - no worries and appreciate your understanding. I too am guilty of similar mistakes some other times!
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From Oh Law firm. Look at No 5. Those who have done MS and higher outside US will also come under "brightest" and will be benefited.
09/18/2012: Sen. Schumer Press Release of BRAINS Act
This following highlights his bill.
1. It creates a 2-year pilot program to provide 55,000 new green cards per year for foreign students who graduate from U.S. universities with advanced degrees in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (“STEM”).
2. To be eligible, an alien must 1) have received a master’s degree or higher from an eligible U.S. university in science, technology, engineering, or mathematics; 2) have an offer of employment in the U.S. in a STEM field, and 3) be petitioned for by an employer who has gone through labor certification to show that there are not sufficient American workers able, willing, equally qualified and available for the job at the wage level paid by the employer to all other individuals with similar experience and qualifications for the job.
3. To be eligible for its students to receive green cards, a university must be: 1) accredited; 2) at least 10 years old; and 3) classified as a research institution by the Director of the National Science Foundation. The school cannot provide incentive payments to persons based on securing foreign students for the university.
4. It encourages the best and brightest foreign students to study, live, and work in the United States by allowing them to receive student visas to attend our colleges and universities to study in STEM fields. STEM students will no longer be required to demonstrate that they have no desire to stay permanently in the U.S. as a precondition to being allowed to attend school here.
5. It provides any unused green cards from this program to be used to reduce the backlog for employment-based green cards that exists for highly-skilled STEM advanced-degree graduates from foreign universities.
6. It allows temporary workers on high-skilled visas who have not violated their status to renew their visas from within the United States.
7. I provides labor protections to ensure that foreign workers do not take high-paying high-skilled jobs that American workers are available to fill.
8. It codifies the practice that the priority date (for determining an alien’s place in line) for an employer’s green card petition is the date that the employer files the labor certification application. The bill also ensures that an alien who switches from one green card family-preference category to another retains their original priority date, and that an alien who switches from one green card employer-preference category to another retains their original priority date.
9. It expands “age-out” protection in current law to benefit minor children who turn 21 while they wait for their green cards to become available.
10. It encourages highly skilled workers to remain in the United States by providing for faster reunification with their spouses and minor children. This is done by creating a new entry slot for a nuclear family member of a highly-skilled permanent resident when a lawful permanent resident is deported. Consequently, net immigration is not increased, but family reunification is expedited.
I thought these were interesting too. Looks like a nice bill if it could be passed. Not sure if it would require a new labor cert. Or existing EB2 could qualify.
All these bills are not going anywhere, only political manouvering. The same OH law firm is reporting this. understand the POLITRICKS!
Source: - http://www.immigration-law.com/
pun intended (hopefully Q won't say this is Plagiarism!) source is above.
BRAINS Act" which is somewhat close to the Democrat Rep. Zoe Lofgren bill in the House in that it gives 50,000 new STEM visas, but unlike the Rep. Smith bill, will not eliminate the immigration lottery program and rather add some restrictions to the for-profit employers sponsoring such STEM immigration petitions. Anyone is surprised? NOPE..................
This reporter anticipated and reported this earlier. The Smith STEM bill, even if it passes in the Republican House day after tomorrow, 09/20/2012, the Democratic Senate will not pass the Smith bill as it is now and more or less support the concept of Rep. Zoe Lofgren's proposal which has suffered slapping in the face by the Republican House that will put the Republican bill on the floor for vote as soon as the bill is introduced tomorrow. while the Lofgren.s bill has been ignored in scheduling for either hearing or putting on the voting in the Republican House. Read on. For the reasons, it is speculated that the STEM bill will go nowhere before the national election. Both parties are just reacting to the mounting political pressures from high tech industry
The above bolded portion proves that this bills are dead on arrival eitherway!
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-va...igration-bills
Last edited by immitime; 09-18-2012 at 04:57 PM.
I think they should stop saying this. I think neither party actually supports high-skilled immigration in and of itself. The Dems support illegals and lottery winners more and the Reps support big business (it just so happens that in this case immigrant interests are aligned with immigrants' interests). Sadly none of the liberal media will ever have the courage to point out the flaw in the Democrats position. The Republicans are actually right on axing the DV I think.
And while I think the Republicans should compromise (what are 50k visas?), the corpse of this bill will ultimately rest at the feet of Democrats, who place lottery winners over STEM immigrants. Maybe they can buy a lottery ticket to pay off America's debt too? The way they are going that's probably the only thing that will bail out this country...
Pity the poor immigrant.
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