Discussion of Bills that remove the Per Country Limits - H.R.3012, H,R. 213

[jackbrown_890]

another interesting thing i noticed was @: link (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/HOB-201...012-hr3012.htm) - Government Author of this document is "Joint Committee on Printing " and coincidentally Vice Chair of that committee is "Schumer". (Author information shows up in search results under "date published option to narrow your search)
I don't know why the author of this document would be as "Joint Committee on Printing" but as i said it is interesting.
It could be just a mistake or may be we don't understand their document system...may be it has been like this for months...but i noticed these changes today.

[chengisk]

Try this link
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/home.action

in search type "H.R. 3012" and hit search
after you do that, on the left of the screen you will see "Date Published"
Click on "+" sign next to "2012" and then "July" and then "18"
you will see 19 some results.
I am not sure how the search engine software works but "19" results show up for July 18 date for some reason.

Yes something definitely happened on 18th. Since the day it was placed on the senate calendar (23Jan2012), it has only had 3-4 hits per day. It is almost like on 18th, 15 or senators noted down a reminder about the the bill in their dairies.

[jackbrown_890]

Yes something definitely happened on 18th. Since the day it was placed on the senate calendar (23Jan2012), it has only had 3-4 hits per day. It is almost like on 18th, 15 or senators noted down a reminder about the the bill in their dairies.

Either that or the system moves those files in such a way that most of those files show up automatically as published 1 calendar day before that day....
lets see tomorrow what happens to those files tomorrow.. whether it stays under "July 18" date or moves under "July 19"

[chengisk]

Cross index of general orders - Resolutions and motions over - General Orders - are the three files that are regenerated every (senate) working day with the new date. But 18th and 19th seem to be exceptions. For 19th there is History of Bills and resolutions in addition to the three usual suspects. But tomorrow and the weekend there will generate no files at all. The next ones will be on Monday.

PS: We must be having a really slow day.

[vizcard]

Not many of those 19 articles are really relevant. Its a text-based search- wherever theres "H.R." or "3012", the article is popping up. Case in point - Article #2 is about highways and transportation. Its comes up becaue theres a section 30124 in the pdf document.

Sorted by relevance :P .. these guys do need immigrants to sort their shit out.

[abcx13]

Not many of those 19 articles are really relevant. Its a text-based search- wherever theres "H.R." or "3012", the article is popping up. Case in point - Article #2 is about highways and transportation. Its comes up becaue theres a section 30124 in the pdf document.

Sorted by relevance :P .. these guys do need immigrants to sort their shit out.

Search for "H.R. 3012" (in quotes) to skip those irrelevant results.

I think the records for Senators who've commented on that bill got updated. The stuff in brackets are dates when the comments were made. So [JY11] is the date Grassley lifted his idiotic hold.

[jackbrown_890]

Not many of those 19 articles are really relevant. Its a text-based search- wherever theres "H.R." or "3012", the article is popping up. Case in point - Article #2 is about highways and transportation. Its comes up becaue theres a section 30124 in the pdf document.

Sorted by relevance :P .. these guys do need immigrants to sort their shit out.

most of those files have moved from July 18 to July 19 sometime in last hour...
so sorry,, it seems like there is nothing in there to get excited about...

[immitime]

most of those files have moved from July 18 to July 19 sometime in last hour...
so sorry,, it seems like there is nothing in there to get excited about...

How about this.. some good news.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SecurityOversi

Secretary Janet Napolitano testified at an oversight hearing of the Department of Homeland Security

This is a 2 hour + video just approximately forward until 1:56:51


Rep. Chaftez asked Sec. Napolitano, if the H.R.3012 Fairness for High skilled cap
H.R.3012 is Now waiting action in the senate.. is Administration ok with it???

Napolitano: I have to look in to that, that sounds right, but let me verify that

Be positive..everyone.. we are almost there.

[gs1968]

To immitime
Thank you for the link.I am not quite sure what Rep.Chaffetz was implying about the Administration's viewpoint as this is already well known.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ive_agenda.pdf

The last section of page 1 recommend removal of per-country caps in employment based Green Cards. I wish he had mentioned that "the Senate is about to take this Bill up" instead of "awaiting action in the Senate"

[immitime]

To gs1968

Awaiting Action in Senate ... meaning.. anytime it can come up.....just unanimous probably!.. that is the most positive word than Senate is about to take this Bill.. that means going for a full floor cloture vote.. so wait for the good news!

[A_Tech_Softie]

".. that means going for a full floor cloture vote.. "

Hold is now removed .. why would cloture rules still apply? Wouldn't a simple majority suffice?

[vizcard]

".. that means going for a full floor cloture vote.. "

Hold is now removed .. why would cloture rules still apply? Wouldn't a simple majority suffice?

Its got nothing to do with "holds". Cloture is something used to limit discussion on a bill...very useful for non-controversial bills. You invoke it when there is a filibuster. The risk is that you need 2/3rds rather than a majority. Technically, in this case, cloture would not be required if the original text stood. But I'm not sure how the process works with amendments to a bill.

Typically the text of the bill has to be read and debated (with no time limit). It was done with the original language but I don't know if they need to do it again with the added language. Maybe that's the reason they are talking about cloture.

[kd2008]

NYT is inviting questions on high skilled immigrants. Please ask your questions graciously.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ed-immigrants/

[Jonty Rhodes]

drop2oceaon thanks but the link is not working.

If true - this is supergr8 news!

Q, this is the link. It does not say anything about HR 3012 being scheduled to be on Senate floor for vote next week. I wish it is scheduled for vote next week but at this point, there is no news officially confirming that. So I would think it is a rumor.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-11...2012-07-23.pdf

[Jonty Rhodes]

Another article on the bill.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin...lly-senseless/

[chengisk]

I am really glad that there is such a great support for H.R. 3012 and that is the way it should be. Elimination of the country cap is the proper way to eliminate a discrimination clause that is found a safe place to lurk for so so long. However I see that opposition to Mr. Grassley's amendment is slowly gaining more opponents, even among the journalists. And that is worrisome. I do see some issues in the amendment, but those can be fixed in the future with executive orders. Somewhere in the back pages of this thread there is a list of lobbyists in favor of H.R. 3012. Many of them are multinational companies and will not be impacted by Mr. Grassley's amendment. I am sure they will not suddenly drop support for the bill. However, the lawmakers who read articles like the one above, will tend to get more answers when the bill is before them. But I do not think those restriction are as vague as it is being portrayed to be - definitely not as vague as what exists for EB1A/B adjudication. Another factor that is worrisome now is that the freakin' clock keeps tickin'. These factors now brings me to make this request. My request is got nothing to do with the lobbying efforts of an(y)other group, yet I wish that members here would write to their state senators (Senator's website does have a web form that can be filled-up) urging support for bill, perhaps even adding their own hardships and long wait. That is if they have not done so yet. It does not matter if you are waiting on the GC or have it already. Thanks.

[kd2008]

Seen this on trackitt


HR 3012 recorded on Senate Calendar and scheduled for next week.

Order No. 293

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-112scal-2012-...

Ummm....sorry drop2ocean you are completely wrong here. HR 3012 was read twice on the Senate floor in Jan 2012 and the third reading was objected to and then it was put on Senate under order no. 293.

It has been on the calendar ever since. It is not scheduled for a vote in Senate yet.

Please folks for the umpteenth time: if it is scheduled for vote it will be known in public well in advance and would be screamed on the roof tops by I V, Oh law firm, trackitt websites.

It is not going to be voted on quietly with out any one knowing about it.

[vickywac]

Grassly's amendment drew lot of controversy lately.
It's gonna be a interesting for next couple of weeks and Looks like AILA is lobbying negatively about the G's amendment .

http://www.indiaabroad-digital.com/i...e.action?pg=14

[chengisk]

Hi drop2ocean - those calendars and schedules maintained by the gpo.gov can be slightly confusing. They are updated the previous working day evening and basically carries over the text from that day. The exception is the first 2 pages which actually mentions in the subtitle what the senate will take up for that date. In addition the document also holds the list of bills on the calendar, list of bills that have been objected to, bills that were read that day, etc. Ever since the day H.R. 3012 was placed on the calendar in January, the document has carried three mentions of H.R. 3012 every single working day. Hope it helps.

[drop2ocean]

Ummm....sorry drop2ocean you are completely wrong here. HR 3012 was read twice on the Senate floor in Jan 2012 and the third reading was objected to and then it was put on Senate under order no. 293.

It has been on the calendar ever since. It is not scheduled for a vote in Senate yet.

Please folks for the umpteenth time: if it is scheduled for vote it will be known in public well in advance and would be screamed on the roof tops by I V, Oh law firm, trackitt websites.

It is not going to be voted on quietly with out any one knowing about it.

ok, i've seen the date on the pdf as July 23rd 2012 so thought it could be true. Anyways, i was just reporting what I've seen on trackitt, especially since its out of Gov printing press ! not sure if the senate calendar will be known to public well in advance though as they can change it any time.

Admins, please feel free to delete my original post

[drop2ocean]

Hi drop2ocean - those calendars and schedules maintained by the gpo.gov can be slightly confusing. They are updated the previous working day evening and basically carries over the text from that day. The exception is the first 2 pages which actually mentions in the subtitle what the senate will take up for that date. In addition the document also holds the list of bills on the calendar, list of bills that have been objected to, bills that were read that day, etc. Ever since the day H.R. 3012 was placed on the calendar in January, the document has carried three mentions of H.R. 3012 every single working day. Hope it helps.

ok, thanks for clarifying that.

[longgcque]

Not to creare any rumour ..but ... trackitt has some posts of 3012 being voted in senate this week. hope this is true

http://www.trackitt.com/usa-discussi...page/last_page

[vishnu]

It is just comments on a blog - so i would not accord any crediiblity to it.

[nyquant]

Actually, I did read a member's response from a senator and it sounded positive. It was deleted after a few seconds. Let us keep fingers crossed.

[kuku82]

Actually, I did read a member's response from a senator and it sounded positive. It was deleted after a few seconds. Let us keep fingers crossed.

Not that this means anything but H.R 3012 is among the top-5 bills (#2) on THOMAS