Mniwas - exactly my thoughts - even the policy change on EAD for undocumented had tons of details to be clarified but that didnt prevent them from issuing the directive publicly
Mniwas - exactly my thoughts - even the policy change on EAD for undocumented had tons of details to be clarified but that didnt prevent them from issuing the directive publicly
Minwas, BO wanted to lock the latino community for their votes, hence they made the announcement first and details later.
Originally Posted by vishnu
I have seen no signs of any amendment to either HR 3012 or S 1857 published for the record. There is a time duration for which it needs to be published (48 hours in most instances) before it can be brought to the Floor and voted upon. Also as Senator Reid has filed for cloture on the Small Business Tax Bill for a vote on Friday, the only Bills that can pass are those by unanimous consent. At this time the only things that can be passed by unanimous consent are ridiculous resolutions like the one from today
S. Res. 483 (A resolution commending efforts to promote and enhance public safety on the need for yellow corrugated stainless steel tubing bonding). Agreed to by unanimous consent.
What is the meaning of this?
Congress' equivalent of checking Facebook at work.
Found this on computerworld. Basically it talks about the STEM bill but than in the end, it says,
Before this week, the tech-related immigration bill that was seen as having the best odds for passage was a bill to eliminate the per-country cap on green cards. The House voted 389-to-15 late last year to eliminate the per-country cap.
The U.S. makes 140,000 employment-based green cards available each year, but it limits each country to 7% of the total. Visa applicants in China and India face a multiyear wait because of demand. Eliminating the cap would have created one global, first-come, first-serve line.
But the bill was stuck in the Senate after Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) put a hold on it. He wanted restrictions on H-1B use attached to it.
Elimination of per-country caps was widely seen as having a chance at passage this year. But the proposal drew opposition from the private sector because of Grassley's changes, and its passage is now in doubt.
Not sure if the author is talking about Grassley's new diluted amendment or old one which was way more draconian?
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...een_card_bill_
@Jonty_Rhodes: Looks like the article talks about the new amendment. Well I guess with my 2010 PD I will be greened in 2016 if I am not hit by a meteorite or my heart palpation gets worse. Good night. [9.47.32 17JUL2012]
I think that the tech community would take an amended HR3012 over nothing at all. Just my opinion.
The above is only author's opinion, the real reason is Politics. from Harry Reid and Democrats, if this bill passes now ( I mean before elections) Republicans have some red meat for election campaign, and that too this bill is from a Tea party member of congress. So Mr.Reid will maximum try not to take this bill before elections! but Schumer wants this passed ASAP, due to pressure from NY based Tech lobbyists. If this comes to Senate floor unanimous voting/floor voting, this will pass without much issues, Then this will go to conference committe of Congress and Senate and the clearence from the committee is also sure. But depends on Harry Reid's decision. that means (White house advisory). We need to concentrate on sending letters physical letters to BO at White House, Sen.Harry Reid and Sen.Schumer now. No media will report the above Truth.
http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=37451
AILA seems to indicate in the last paragraph that more senators might object to the bill.
Why don't the senators get it on the floor and vote. Up and Down vote would suffice. This stupidity of putting a hold is just wrong. Anyways I am preparing for the worst case scenario of waiting without any legislative relief.
Here goes another one.
http://www.siliconprairienews.com/20...dustry-support
The bill now has just 12 days left to pass the Senate or it will be held until next year.
I don't know why they are not considering lame duck session this year or are they talking about Fiscal Year.
We all know that Sen. Grassley already removed the hold from the bill but the senate calendar still shows the hold. It appears that they may be still negotiating to attach some other bills on this one.
The silence is deafening.
The article is probably referring to the fiscal year that ends in September. All bills that are not passed by end of September are lapsed. Thus the process will have to start over. Although given the recent amendments the bill will have to go to the House anyways.
you mean it will have to go back to the house after September?
Scenario 1: bill passes this fiscal year (by Sept 30)
Key next steps:
Bill is voted and approved by Senate
Bill goes back to House and get voted and approved on Senate amendments (H1B regulation etc.)
Bill is sent to president for his signature thus turning it into law.
Scenario 2: bill fails to pass this fiscal year but lawmakers decide to bring it back after Oct 1
Key next steps:
The bill will be introduced in both House and Senate as a new bill, completely independent of the previous bill
Senate and House will have to vote and send out for president's approval.
US Congress follows the calendar year but not the fiscal year. Current 112th session ends on Jan 3, 2013.
The problem is that 2012 being an election year, right after the results the politicians may or may not be in the power to support or oppose the bill between oct to dec 2012.(lame duck session)
Thanks for the clarification Kanmani. So technically we have till Jan 3rd. What gets done in a lame duck session is a different scenario as you said. Thanks!
Starting Jan everyones pet projects will start coming out. Basically we need the sponsors of the bill to be reelected and it'll be back in play.
Removing the hold now provides a political play where the ball is back in the bill sponsor's court to bring it up .. thus the original holder of the bill no longer gets the blame of not letting this bill pass...
Don't worry too much thomas.loc.gov updated that the hold is lifted.. so things are happening in due cours, with out much publicity. no need to worry about AILA rumour mongering, and worry about Ron Gotcher's sayings.. They look for their business, we need to look after our business!
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query ----if this comes to search page search for H.R. 3012
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-20...9-4.pdf#page=1
So never loose mind.. Praying makes difference, and also contacting Senators.. especially Majority Leader Harry Reid!---Sen Schumer ----The President.
Everything loses, the day we stop trying!
I found this two links on GPO s website under July 18 date, and i am not sure what do they mean
Link 1: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/HOB-201...012-hr3012.htm
it says "to the Committee on the Judiciary" after the bill name. doe anyone else know why it says that? or it is just GPO's website typo?
Link 2: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CRI-201...RAN-B5A72A.htm
there is remark from DOS: about Irish visa and also says "Enact (H.R. 3012) - not sure why DOS would say that?
Last edited by jackbrown_890; 07-19-2012 at 07:52 AM.
Im not sure how you got those links.
For link 1, note the semi colon.it seems like its a "delivery order" ie print HR3012 blah blah blah and send to the Judiciary cmte. This was done prior to the House vote.
Not sure about link 2. But without context, it's a guessing game anyway.
I got it from printing office's digital system. I ran a search for H.R. 3012. and these two pages show up under date: July 18, 2012 along with 17 others.
I also noticed, July 18, 2012 has the highest # of search results for H.R. 3012. Some of them are just remarks from different senators like durbin, grassley, reid, etc. and 3 are usual search results from Senate Calendar (which shows up for every day since it was placed in senate calendar)
interesting. i tried searching and got "no site search results".
Try within this link,
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/adva...rchpage.action
Select a date on top and enter 3012 in the bottom search field.
Last edited by chengisk; 07-19-2012 at 11:27 AM.
Try this link
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/home.action
in search type "H.R. 3012" and hit search
after you do that, on the left of the screen you will see "Date Published"
Click on "+" sign next to "2012" and then "July" and then "18"
you will see 19 some results.
I am not sure how the search engine software works but "19" results show up for July 18 date for some reason.
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