Discussion of Bills that remove the Per Country Limits - H.R.3012, H,R. 213

[sweety0202]

They had the same kind of RIN back in 2009 to apply for I-485 without the date being current. GUncle wrote a letter to Mr.Mayarkoas, aslo his tails as officers in USCIS leaked out the internal memo to the media, and that plan is in the dust bin. Wishing all the best to this plan. Heads should roll from USCIS there are lot of hard core conservative right wing people(as officers) waiting to chop any immigrant at any point of time, they just want a simple reason to do that, Denials, RFE's are most common nowadays, even at the stage of I-485 adjustment of status, lot of genuine cases are suffering.

right. Now also GUncle might come into picture.
But if you look at the leaked memo (dated back in 2010), u'll see that this particular case was mentioned as "approved by uscis officials" or something similar to that.Nothing can be said for sure considering this is election year.
Lets pray for this to come true. it should help all nationalities.

[iamdeb]

right. Now also GUncle might come into picture.
But if you look at the leaked memo (dated back in 2010), u'll see that this particular case was mentioned as "approved by uscis officials" or something similar to that.Nothing can be said for sure considering this is election year.
Lets pray for this to come true. it should help all nationalities.

Is the process of rule making different from the regular process for making a bill into law?
Incase it moves forward,arnd what time frame will this rule be implemented?
Can anyone plz shed some light into the process of rule making.

[letheQ]

Is the process of rule making different from the regular process for making a bill into law?
Incase it moves forward,arnd what time frame will this rule be implemented?
Can anyone plz shed some light into the process of rule making.

Yes .It is different.Go through the below link to better understand about NPRM & Rule making .
It will take minimum of 60 - 90 days, if they decided to go further 'with out delay in the process till the rule made final'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rulemaking

[vizcard]

So its "on the calendar". What does that mean ? When is it actually scheduled for ?

[jackbrown_890]

So its "on the calendar". What does that mean ? When is it actually scheduled for ?

No word on vote yet....someone will have to file motion for cloture to break potential filibuster from Grassley.,..i am hoping Reid or Schumer will do that soon,,with 16 total signatures on motion to cloture,,or convince Grassley to remove his hold (more difficult)...no one has said anything yet about cloture yet.

[vgraj1]

Hi veni001/sportsfan33,

In case HR 3012 becomes law, will there be any effect at all on PD for EB 2 IC since the spillover from EB2 ROW is anyway coming to EB 2 IC ?

[lalaji]

Irish E3 update..Lokks like will not be part of HR3012..

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Whi...138031223.html

[Prabhas]

vgraj1,

Even if it becomes law i don't think it will be effective before FY-2013 start.

Veni,

I am confused. If HR.3012 becomes a law, wouldnt that be applicable immediately that is from OCT-2011 or the current fiscal year-2012? I believe we should get around 30k(85%) visas to both EB2 I/C from this fiscal year FY-2012 itself. Please correct me if I was wrong.

[vgraj1]

Hi Veni001,

If we make an assumption that HR 3012 is passed with an effective start date of April 1, 2012, can we estimate the impact on PD for EB 2 IC ?

[veni001]

Veni,

I am confused. If HR.3012 becomes a law, wouldnt that be applicable immediately that is from OCT-2011 or the current fiscal year-2012? I believe we should get around 30k(85%) visas to both EB2 I/C from this fiscal year FY-2012 itself. Please correct me if I was wrong.

Only if it says that it will be effective immediately after signed by the president! In most cases will have a future (effective) date.

Hi Veni001,

If we make an assumption that HR 3012 is passed with an effective start date of April 1, 2012, can we estimate the impact on PD for EB 2 IC ?

Don't want to speculate at this moment, but if and when it becomes law it won't be a tough task to predict cut-off dates.

[narendarrao]

Looks like this Bill is not an active one yet.

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/leg...e_leg_page.htm

Currently Active

Bills that may receive floor action this week.

Senate chamber

Debt limit, disapproval of increase of 1.2 trillion dollars submitted on January 12, 2012 S.J.Res.34 H.J.Res.98
Federal Aviation Administration, through February 17, 2012 H.R.3800

House chamber

Federal Aviation Administration S.223 H.R.658
Federal Aviation Administration, through February 17, 2012 H.R.3800
Payroll tax cut, extend
(H.R.3630 contains a variety of other provisions, including sections related to unemployment benefits, the Keystone XL pipeline, and Medicare.) S.1917, S.1931, S.1944 H.R.3630

[jackbrown_890]

Interesting to know who s lobbying for 3012:

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/billsum.php?id=128399

Some of them are not surprising and some of them are really interesting like:
US Chamber of Commerce
AILA is on the list as expected
FAIR is on the list - I don't know why, are they lobbying for it or against it???
Stanford University

and the most interesting is -
American Jewish Cmt -

[abcx13]

Interesting to know who s lobbying for 3012:

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/billsum.php?id=128399

Some of them are not surprising and some of them are really interesting like:
US Chamber of Commerce
AILA is on the list as expected
FAIR is on the list - I don't know why, are they lobbying for it or against it???
Stanford University

and the most interesting is -
American Jewish Cmt -

Interesting list. Sadly the reports don't tell you if it's for/against or any more detail. Good to see my alma mater, Stanford, on the list.

[cricfan]

This is what I found when I clicked on "No. of reports and specific issues" for American Jewish cmte :

"Support for comprehensive immigration reform; Support for Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011 (S.1857/H.R. 3012); Support for Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act of 2011 (S.952/H.R.1842); Opposition to DHS Secure Communities program as implemented;......"

So, I guess they are supporting HR 3012.

[vgraj1]

Hi veni001,

HR3012 has been placed on the Senate Calendar 293 and it might come up for voting soon. There is a transition rule in the text placed before the Senate which says the following for FY-2012 Transition Rules:

(A) For fiscal year 2012, 15 percent of the immigrant visas made available under each of paragraphs (2) and (3) of section 203(b) of such Act (8 U.S.C. 1153(b)) shall be allotted to immigrants who are natives of a foreign state or dependent area that was not one of the two states with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining immigrant visas during fiscal year 2010 under such paragraphs.

Do you know what this means for FY 2012?

Note: You can do a google search to get the text of bill in 'Bill Text 112th Congress (2011-2012) H.R.3012.PCS'

[immitime]

Looks like this Bill is not an active one yet.

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/leg...e_leg_page.htm

Currently Active

Bills that may receive floor action this week.

Senate chamber

Debt limit, disapproval of increase of 1.2 trillion dollars submitted on January 12, 2012 S.J.Res.34 H.J.Res.98
Federal Aviation Administration, through February 17, 2012 H.R.3800

House chamber

Federal Aviation Administration S.223 H.R.658
Federal Aviation Administration, through February 17, 2012 H.R.3800
Payroll tax cut, extend
(H.R.3630 contains a variety of other provisions, including sections related to unemployment benefits, the Keystone XL pipeline, and Medicare.) S.1917, S.1931, S.1944 H.R.3630

H.R.3012 only will be taken after filing a Cloture motion. unless GUncle removes his hold and they decide this bill to Unanimous consideration. We all will come to know if they decide to do a cloture mition. I think with the kind of lobbying it will not be too far. And all who are backlogged severly will be happy and Free to live their lives. Praying and hoping for the best to happen soon.

[idiotic]

H.R.3012 only will be taken after filing a Cloture motion. unless GUncle removes his hold and they decide this bill to Unanimous consideration. We all will come to know if they decide to do a cloture mition. I think with the kind of lobbying it will not be too far. And all who are backlogged severly will be happy and Free to live their lives. Praying and hoping for the best to happen soon.

Cloture is required only if the bill is filibustered. HR3012 is not filibustered yet.

[immitime]

Cloture is required only if the bill is filibustered. HR3012 is not filibustered yet.

Nope, Cloture is required if GUncle never removes his hold. in anticipation of fillibuster cloutre motion is invoked. If the bill is fillibustered then the bill is dead and will not be considered for voting. The Rule 14 helped the bill not to go to a Judicial committee and get buried. (Think about the time when H.R.3012 was put on Congress legislative calender for voting in the same way this can take some time)

[sweety0202]

Nope, Cloture is required if GUncle never removes his hold. in anticipation of fillibuster cloutre motion is invoked. If the bill is fillibustered then the bill is dead and will not be considered for voting. The Rule 14 helped the bill not to go to a Judicial committee and get buried. (Think about the time when H.R.3012 was put on Congress legislative calender for voting in the same way this can take some time)

someone had posted GUncle's reply in Trackitt. Per the reply, he has no intentions to remove hold, unless his amendments are agreed upon.
Cloture is THE ONLY option left. So many ppl's life changing person now is Mr.Reid.

[Kanmani]

Cloture is required only if the bill is filibustered. HR3012 is not filibustered yet.

Cloture is not filed after filibuster. It is filed inorder to avoid the filibuster. If there is an objection (which is otherwise called hold/Notice of intent to object) for taking up the Bill , then the Bill cannot be discussed in the Senate Floor.

Once a bill is under hold it cannot be debated as such ,so as to start a debate there should be an vote whether to start the debate or not ( let us say Vote 1). If this vote1 is failed this is called filibuster.

To avoid this Vote1 , the cloture motion is filed to straight away go to small debate(within time limits) later final voting .

Some of the previous methods of looooong overnight debates to kill the bill in the name of filibusters are not in practice/abandoned.

[Mavrick]

01/26/2012: H.R. 3012 in the Senate

Immigration Law website says :

The Senate convened today to take care of Motion to Proceed to H.J. Res. 98 (Relating to the disapproval of the President's exercise of authority to increase the debt limit). The motion was not agreed to by vote of 44-52 today. The legislative calendar number for H.J. Res. 98 is 294, while the legislative calendar number for H.R. 3012 is 293. Sometimes a bill is passed in the Senate by unaimous consent without vote if both sides of aisle agree to the bill. No one can however imagine such scenario at this point. The Senate floor monitor indicates that no motion to proceed for H.R. 3012, General Calendar 293, has been presented on the floor and after H.J. 98, Calendar 294 motion to proceed was rejected, the Senate adjourned until 5:00 p.m. this evening. There was no vote scheduled for other motions or bills early today, but we should watch carefully the Senate floor's session this evening. Please stay tuned to this website.

[Kanmani]

H.J.Res.98 is an urgent bill , so obviously it bypassed our bill which has an earlier number in the calendar.

Lets hope H.R.3012 is the next in row.

[vishnu]

Hope so Kanmani, but unsure though. There are many other bills (at least 15-20) which in the 200s (ie, calendar #225 etc) which are read for second time and placed on calendar. Of course, the others may not have the same lobbying effort and super majority pass in House as our very own 3012. Hopeing for the best.

[trackitgc]

Source: immigration-law.com

01/26/2012: H.R. 3012 in the Senate

The Senate convened today to take care of Motion to Proceed to H.J. Res. 98 (Relating to the disapproval of the President's exercise of authority to increase the debt limit). The motion was not agreed to by vote of 44-52 today. The legislative calendar number for H.J. Res. 98 is 294, while the legislative calendar number for H.R. 3012 is 293. Sometimes a bill is passed in the Senate by unaimous consent without vote if both sides of aisle agree to the bill. No one can however imagine such scenario at this point. The Senate floor monitor indicates that no motion to proceed for H.R. 3012, General Calendar 293, has thus far been presented on the floor. Please stay tuned to this website.

[immitime]

01/26/2012: H.R. 3012 in the Senate

Immigration Law website says :

The Senate convened today to take care of Motion to Proceed to H.J. Res. 98 (Relating to the disapproval of the President's exercise of authority to increase the debt limit). The motion was not agreed to by vote of 44-52 today. The legislative calendar number for H.J. Res. 98 is 294, while the legislative calendar number for H.R. 3012 is 293. Sometimes a bill is passed in the Senate by unaimous consent without vote if both sides of aisle agree to the bill. No one can however imagine such scenario at this point. The Senate floor monitor indicates that no motion to proceed for H.R. 3012, General Calendar 293, has been presented on the floor and after H.J. 98, Calendar 294 motion to proceed was rejected, the Senate adjourned until 5:00 p.m. this evening. There was no vote scheduled for other motions or bills early today, but we should watch carefully the Senate floor's session this evening. Please stay tuned to this website.

This same website OH law firm, was connecting everything in the world to H.R.3012, Irish lobbying. yada..yada yada..even one White House appointment he said it will affect H.R.3012, we know what attorneys need. just fear mongering and keeping would be immigrants on their toes! People are more aware of the Law now adays, their techniques no more works.

Just wait for the good thing to happen, will free all of us from the clutches of this idiotic wait. Keep the Prayers high and contact the Senators through email.

Additionally. for your information. Procedure for invoking Cloture in the Senate.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/reso...pdf/98-425.pdf