Discussion of Bills that remove the Per Country Limits - H.R.3012, H,R. 213

[lalaji]

Thanks. One interesting think i noticed is her husband is an indian 'Amit Pandya' human rights lawyer.

[Sunnyznj]

Lot of negative information is being spread on websites with references to H.R. 3012. Can we all take some time out and post in support of this bill? Esp the WaPo bill...Anti H.R. 3012 people are posting comments as citizens...

http://www.livemint.com/2012/01/1023...een-cards.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...y.html?hpid=z5

[pakkpk]

I tried to post pro HR 3012 opinion on both articles but moderator never posted. Everybody should post positive comments on the articles.

[lalaji]

Update from Oh Law firm:

01/12/2012: Update Report of Irish Lobby for Schumer S. 1983

Irish news media reports today its lobbying activities to solicit support of S. 1983 which includes H.R. 3012 version and Irish E-3 nonimmigrant visas for legal and illegal Irish. They are and will continuously drum up their lobby campaigns during next few weeks to find seven (7) Republican Senators to support this bill. Reportedly, Schumer stated that he had 53 votes in the Democratic caucus in the Senate who had agreed to vote for the bill. This is somewhat promising news for H.R. 3012 supporters. As we reported earlier, the supporters of H.R. 3012 and S. 1983 should increase their efforts to get one of these bills passed in the Senate as soon as the Senate return late this month. Otherwise, the chances for success will turn slimmer and slimmer because of changing political landscape involving the national election strategies. Please stay tuned.

[iamdeb]

Lot of negative information is being spread on websites with references to H.R. 3012. Can we all take some time out and post in support of this bill? Esp the WaPo bill...Anti H.R. 3012 people are posting comments as citizens...

http://www.livemint.com/2012/01/1023...een-cards.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...y.html?hpid=z5

Very true. The ROWers are hell bent on creating roadblocks for this bill. They are leaving no stones unturned in their effort to tarnish HR 3012.They are being dishonest,unscrupulous and slanderous in all their posts. We need to mitigate their effect before Senate returns to session.

[jackbrown_890]

Very true. The ROWers are hell bent on creating roadblocks for this bill. They are leaving no stones unturned in their effort to tarnish HR 3012.They are being dishonest,unscrupulous and slanderous in all their posts. We need to mitigate their effect before Senate returns to session.

i would say,,don't hesitate to post your opinions/comments on those websites under d articles..

[Sunnyznj]

i would say,,don't hesitate to post your opinions/comments on those websites under d articles..

It boils my blood to see some of the comments in there.. i have started replying but we need more supporters to comment on these articles and to present facts instead of the baseless BS that ROW is spewing.

[immitime]

It boils my blood to see some of the comments in there.. i have started replying but we need more supporters to comment on these articles and to present facts instead of the baseless BS that ROW is spewing.

I understand your frustation brother, do not worry too much they are only some hand full of people who pays money to wapo and livemint to delete comment of pro H.R.3012 just to make our side depressed, do not fall for that. We will know what is the reality when the Senate comes back on Jan 23rd.

Of course we can reply, but they delete the pro posts. If you remember a few weeks back there was a poll, in washingtonpost site to oppose and support the same bill. but they showed it as more opposition by hook or crook so do not fall for that.

[Sunnyznj]

I understand your frustation brother, do not worry too much they are only some hand full of people who pays money to wapo and livemint to delete comment of pro H.R.3012 just to make our side depressed, do not fall for that. We will know what is the reality when the Senate comes back on Jan 23rd.

Of course we can reply, but they delete the pro posts. If you remember a few weeks back there was a poll, in washingtonpost site to oppose and support the same bill. but they showed it as more opposition by hook or crook so do not fall for that.

I agree and hence i am not even bothering to argue with folks on there..

[gcq]

Whenever we post on public sites, make sure our arguments are civil and to the point. Also please make sure we don't insult american citizens.

[lalaji]

http://irishecho.com/?p=69124

[qesehmk]

I think instead of arguing with opponents of HR3012, a strong case should be made for HR 3012 at every opportunity.

No point in fighting with anybody over HR 3012.

[manubhai]

Adding to Q's point above: After a point, responding to comments becomes a circular and usually a self-fulfilling cycle. They wont have to "respond" if you don't. They will take out what they have by writing one or two comments and they'll stop. If they feel the need to write 5 comments, you've just doubled it to 10.

I am not asking you to stop. I am requesting that you please spend your valuable time commenting only if you have already spent your valuable time in calling and meeting the senators.

Responding to comments won't get HR3012 to pass.

A senator's vote will get HR3012 to pass.

[jackbrown_890]

Emailed Senator again
Hoping to hear back from his office before 23rd..

[lalaji]

Update from Oh Law Firm:

01/13/2012: Target Republican Senators Picked by Irish Lobbysts for Support of S. 1983 Schumer Bill

We reported earlier that supporters of S. 1983 that includes H.R. 3012 and Irish E-3 nonimmigrant visa needed at least seven (7) Republican Senators to break the potential filibuster by Sen. Chuck Grassley. Irish media is actively soliciting Irish community to contact the following Senators:
Kentucky: Senator Mitch McConnell: 202-224-2541
Maine: Senator Susan Collins: 202-224-2523
Maine: Senator Olympia Snowe: 202-224-5344
Alaska: Senator Murkowski: 202-224-666
Indiana: Senator Lugar: 202-224-4814
Arizona: Senator John McCain: 202-224-2235
South Carolina: Senator Lindsey Graham: 202-224- 5972
Ohio: Senator Rob Portman: 202-224-3353
Florida: Senator Marco Rubio: 202-224-3041
Massachusetts: Senator Scott Brown: 202-224-4543
Pennsylvania: Senator Pat Toomey: 202-224-4254
Illinois: Senator Mark Kirk: 202-224-2854
New Hampshire: Senator Kelly Ayotte: 202-224-3324
Iowa: Senator Chuck Grassley: 202-224-3744
Texas: Senator John Cornyn: 202-224-2934
This reporter understands that the H.R. 3012 lobbysts and supporters, including Indians, have been working hard to get seven Republican Senators. We are not sure whether they are targetting at the same Republican Senators, but time is running out and both communities must work hard to get their bill sailed through the Senate floor successfully as soon as the Senate returns to the session. January 23, 2012 meeting will be pro forma session and there will be no votes and the supporters may want to have the bills taken care of at least by the first week of February 2012.

[imdeng]

If there is an E3 visa for Australia and now perhaps an E3 visa for Ireland, why not one for India? Could this be point of emphasis for future advocacy? I believe Australia got the E3 visa in exchange of supporting the first Gulf war. Ireland is pushing for E3 because of historic linkages between US and Ireland. May be next time India is in a good bargaining positions (some treaty/military support/containing China/etc) - India should push for E3 visa as well.

E3 for Australians is really a waste right now. They hardly use a third of the 10K annual limit. If anything, E3 should be opened for other nationalities once demand from original target countries have been met.

Also - E3 is pretty awesome visa - it can be renewed as many times as you wish, spouses can work without limitations and dependents are NOT counted in the quota. The renewal process is really fast too.

[skpanda]

Also - E3 is pretty awesome visa - it can be renewed as many times as you wish, spouses can work without limitations and dependents are NOT counted in the quota. The renewal process is really fast too.

Only drawack is there is no path to Greencard/Citizenship with an E3 visa.

[jackbrown_890]

Senate Floor UPDATE:
As per Senate Floor Log:
The Senate will next convene for business on Monday, January 23, 2012 at 2:00 PM. There will be in a period of Morning Business for two hours. At 4:00 PM, the Senate will proceed to an Executive Session to consider the nomination of Cal. #438 (John Gerrard to United States District Judge for the District of Nebraska). There will 90 minutes of debate on the nomination followed by a vote on confirmation at 5:30 PM. On Tuesday, January 24, 2012 at 2:15 PM, the Senate will have a cloture vote on the Motion to Proceed to S. 968 ( Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act of 2011).

[lalaji]

It looks like HR3012 will not be taken soon...Please confirm.

[idiotic]

It looks like HR3012 will not be taken soon...Please confirm.

It will be read for second time and placed on calender for sure on Jan 23, 2012. When it comes up for voting is a different story and no one knows at this point. Hope it will be sometime soon.

[cricfan]

Are they going to decide the voting date on Jan 23,2012

[lalaji]

Any updates guys.. 5 more days to go...

[lalaji]

HR3012 bill is not in the below link..Earlier it was there...

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-11...2012-01-17.pdf

[lalaji]

Dec 17th 2011 bills missing...

[immitime]

Bill is very much there.
H.R. 3012 (Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011). The bill was read for the first time. The second reading was objected to
http://www.senate.gov/galleries/pdcl/

Began the Rule 14 process of H.R.3012, the Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011.

See below

http://democrats.senate.gov/?s=3012
http://democrats.senate.gov/2011/12/...ember-17-2011/