The reason that there are multiple bills with the same subject is that Lot of support in Senate. What Grassley can do max is reduce the H1/L1B visas nothing much. the anti business part of his amendment will not be considered. Definitely HR 3012 is a candidate before this year end that is 30/12/2011. Let us wait for the best to happen.
I agree - there is definitely considerable support in the senate with regards to removal of country caps in employment based immigration (im quite sure they all get how 140,000 people will hardly alter the diversity landscape). Think Schumer's separate bill with the Irish amedment is purely symbolic - why would he also then cosponsor the Agree act. Still think HR 3012 and the Agree Acts are the only meaningful pieces of legislation that will at least be considered. Interestingly, the new BRAIN act involves re-allocation of visas from other area - I'm guessing from the lottery? That can be HUGE!
Thank Q & Kanmani ...
if it is true as u told kanmani...it is good....
Originally Posted by qesehmk
I understand your concern but usually most of the comments in blogs, forums and other internet sites should not be taken as seriously, just ignore people can write anything but Truth prevails always.So, according to the Washington Post, lawmakers are getting ready to introduce the "BRAIN ACT" to retain high skilled immigrants.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...iGwO_blog.html
I made the mistake of reading some of the comments. I won't be making that mistake again. There were some very upsetting comments including one by a "Wakjob5" listing hundreds of companies that were "ruined or almost ruined by imported Indian labor" blaming it for bankruptcies, software failures and what not!! I hope someone sets him straight
I think this is the English version here.Boy, this is some seriously messed up translation.
But the moral of the story from this Chinese article is that,
1. Grassley wants to attach the H1B and L1 amendments to the bill.
[I think most of us will find nothing new in this because H1B and L1 visa issue is Grassley's hobby-horse which he has been riding for too long and wants to attach this horse to every vehicle (immigration bills in this case)]
and
2. The immigration lawyers suggest that senate may pass this bill by the end of the year (again may be may be not, who knows but I think this is unlikely or at least less likely so take it as you want it)
I hope qblogfan can at lest help Google translation service to do a better job next time.
http://translate.google.com/translat...instance%3Dm3b
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...as-fairer.html
Good closing on this article as below.
Further, the claim that highly-skilled foreign workers take American jobs is a narrow argument that ignores broader forces in job creation. Highly-skilled workers contribute to overall employment in ways that lower-skilled workers do not, both in terms of the innovation and ideas they bring to the companies they work for and in terms of their spending power due to the salaries they command. As well-paid consumers, they buy goods and services, increase demand and in effect offset the jobs they take in the jobs they create.
Fixing legal immigration is an important part of addressing illegal immigration, and even if Grassley manages to kill the reform in the Senate, there is hope for progress going forward. President Obama's jobs council supports issuing more high-skilled immigrant visas, as do GOP presidential contenders Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich.
The Fairness act would be a very small step forward, but incremental progress is still encouraging. We hope members of the Senate will take this opportunity to do something, however small, to reform the country's immigration policies.
As Per ALIA website
http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=37451
On 12/15/12, in order to release his hold on hold on H.R. 3012, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that would make dramatic changes to the bill including elimination of the family per county limit increase and reducing the employment based per country limit to 15%. Furthermore, his amendment would eliminate the diversity visa program and adds in provisions that would increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa programs.
Senator Grassley’s amendment was objected to, therefore his hold on the bill remains. While other senators may try to negotiate a compromise amendment with Senator Grassley, at this time it appears unlikely that such an agreement is likely.
Does that mean there was a discussion/debate on H.R.3012?
Is it an formal (or) informal discussion?
I don't want to make my mouth dirty . But this Grassley is XXXXXXXXXx.
He is just an anti-immigrant paid by anti-immigrant groups from Midwest. He doesn't care about fraud, american people or the USA.
Probably informal.. formal means it should be recorded in the Senate daily proceedings. Just to lift the hold before presenting the bill. But it seems Sen.Grassley is stubborn on his views as always.
Immigration-Law (OH Firm) website
There was an important development for this bill in the Senate yesterday. According to AILA, Senator Grassley offered an amendment that (1) eliminated the provisions for the family per country limit increase, (2) proposed to reduce the employment based per country limit to 15%, (3) proposed to eliminate diversiity visa program, and (4) proposed provisions to increase enforcement and U.S. worker protections to the H-1B and L-1 visa programs. As the readers can see from the foregoing proposals, such proposals are something which the Democrat Senators cannnot accept and reportly his amendment was objected. AILA thus reports that his hold on the H.R. 3012 remains in tact. Reportedly, survivality of H.R. 3012 itself is considered dubious.
I guess, we can assume as 'Removing Hold on H.R.3012 == H.R.3012 becoming a law" .
The petitions and all others efforts should concentrate on killing the HOLD(hurdle)
Exactly. Bill is never dead, max may have to wait for the pay cut issue in Senate now and will go for a cloture vote. with 30 hours debate, I really don't know what will they debate for 30 Hours! I think Sen Majority Leader want to avoid cloture so trying to compromise with Sen.Grassley, but it seems it is difficult
sports,
HR 3012 is going to be passed intact with none of Grassley's amendments. Lately you are behaving a bit strangely. From a cheerleader to a doomsayer.
All these amendments by Sen.Grassley is not valid, because the negotiations failed any way because of some of the democratic and republican senators are not agreeing, they could decide to go for a cloture vote, and yes the bil will pass without any amendments, may not be before Christmas, But we never know.
Sportsfan
Grassley's H1/L1 reform(!!!!!)
every employer is required to go to DoL -register for job opening - DoL should scrutinise the recritment process- Employer has to prove DoL that there is no american citizen to perform the required skills - DoL then Certify LCA. So for each and every H1B job , the employer is required to go through these steps ( just like perm)
Employers cannot employ more than 50% of H1b employees.
and lot more annoying regulations which I hate to read further.
Last edited by Kanmani; 12-16-2011 at 04:46 PM.
This means not many employers will hire H1B. They will just outsource everything. If an employer needs to go through all this, why does they need H1 ? THey can straight away sponsor his greencard. For all practical purpose H1B will be dead. That is what Grassley wants.
Kanmani thanks for this summary. I hope HR 3012 passes, we have all suffered enough. Basically by these kinds of amendments on H1B it will virtually shut the door for many people who come via consulting companies. Larger companies will still be able to meet the requirements but since it is so cumbersome they will avoid seeking foreign talent itself. The 50% rule specifically targets consulting companies this provision is there already for the fee structure for H1B. By this agenda of killing consulting companies they will virtually close the door for many IT folks whose large Indian companies are not kind enough to sponsor H1 / L1 for them. I still believe that HR 3012 and all its senate variants 1857 are still very much alive, just hope that these amendments are thrown out in the same way as amendments that were proposed during the house committee debate.
Its just my opinion!!!
Because 'H1B & GC' are solely controlled by employer , if any individual decides to Immigrate to US are stay in US ,they have to get locked in to the terms of Employers , which is causing all these chaos and the fraud of the employers going unnoticed .
There are certain procedures to be followed, certain documents to be maintained once you hire h1b. If PR/USC is available who wants to go through all that hassle.
It is assumed that emploer did a search in 'good faith' for a USC or PR for that job. Nothing is required to be proved on paper as of now.
There is no point in discussing Grassley issue because, the negotiation proposed by him is already dead, Reason no one agreed to it. This is like Steve Kings amendment on Congress while they are doing H.R.3012 voting. Nothing serious.
Kanmani is 100% right
the reason for them to mention they need PR or US citizen is certain jobs need security clerance and some companies dont want to go through all this immigration hassles....
Positive side of all this news is there is some development for HR3012 and some negotiations are indeed on.
I agree with you that bill may not have died yet. The reason I am saying this is because one thing that no one has bothered to look for is that if Grassley really wanted to kill the bill, he could have done nothing with his hold, just keep sitting tight and let the bill die. Why would he introduce these amendments?
Now here are 2 possibilities.
1. Grassley knows that bill has broad support in Senate. He knows that if cloture is brought, the bill may pass and so he wants to add his amendments and give it a try if not all but at least 1 or 2 amendments are accepted. Worth a shot!!
2. Grassley really wanted to kill the bill but just wanted to show that at least he did offer amendments and did something to let it pass. Now, he well knew beforehand that democrats are going to oppose them and so the bill will die.
Unless Mr. Grassley rises again from his chair and inform us what his real intentions are, we just have to play a guessing game.
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