Discussion of Bills that remove the Per Country Limits - H.R.3012, H,R. 213

[gcq]

Did durbin speak under "General Speeches" ?
Sen Mike Enzi seems to be speaking under "General Speeches".

There doesn't seem to be a DREAM act for the current congress. The latest DREAM act I found on thomas.gov
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.729:

[suninphx]

He took his time from morning business timings. He asked to reconsider the dream act by giving examples of undocumented highly educated youngsters suffering in the name of illegals

Thanks for information. What this all means for HR3012 (high level?), if anything.

[Kanmani]

I really dont know at this point of time. Just watching daily to find if Senator Grassley has anything to say. He is promptly attending the floor proceedings as per schedule, atleast giving two speeches daily, nothing related to 3012.

Currently Senate is dealing with tax cut extension , no agreement is reached.

[letheQ]

I am Just waiting to hear the news , that Mr. Grassley removed the hold (or) the bill scheduled for debate. I wrote him a letter including my story through his website .
IF every one can do that . He may at-least let it go to debate with amendments.

[gcq]

I am Just waiting to hear the news , that Mr. Grassley removed the hold (or) the bill scheduled for debate. I wrote him a letter including my story through his website .
IF every one can do that . He may at-least let it go to debate with amendments.

Why do you want it to go "with amendments" into "debate". I want this to pass with no amendments and no debate just the way it passed in house.

[suninphx]

I really dont know at this point of time. Just watching daily to find if Senator Grassley has anything to say. He is promptly attending the floor proceedings as per schedule, atleast giving two speeches daily, nothing related to 3012.

Currently Senate is dealing with tax cut extension , no agreement is reached.

Thanks for all your effort to keep this forum up to date with all this info.

[jackbrown_890]

Thanks for all your effort to keep this forum up to date with all this info.

I don't know what to make out this,,,I saw few commercials in one hour by FAIR against immigration and someone else here mentioned it too the other day about Fair's ad on CNN,, is it possible dems/congress talking about a big move on immigration in near future? i wonder if anyone ** knows about it

[mesan123]

Yeap...dont know coincedence or what ...it looks that way ....

I doubt somebody from Oh firm visits our forum .

[jackbrown_890]

I don't know what to make out this,,,I saw few commercials in one hour by FAIR against immigration and someone else here mentioned it too the other day about Fair's ad on CNN,, is it possible dems/congress talking about a big move on immigration in near future? i wonder if anyone ** knows about it

Yup, reported by miamiherald/kansascity/washington post etc...there is a new bill called "the startup act" or jobs bill - bi-partisan will be introduced soon,Moran and Warner hope to create a new visa class for up to 50,000 foreign students who earned graduate degrees from American universities in science, technology, engineering or math. It also envisions a visa for up to 75,000 immigrant entrepreneurs who earned technical degrees in the United States and who create businesses that employ Americans...etc..,The lawmakers partnered with the president’s Council on Jobs and the Kauffman Foundation to introduce the proposal.,,
and that could be the reason FAIRus has been advertising a lot in last 2-3 days opposing even legal immigration...

[jackbrown_890]

here is the link to the main points of the bill ,,check section 8 & 9
http://moran.senate.gov/public/index...9-186d6580dab8
It is a bi-partisan bill.. so lets see what happens in next few days...

[Feb262009]

Let us all keep hope and work for bringing up h.r.3012 in the senate. It is a tough job, but not impossible. Cheer up guys.

Even ants can wear out a rock with persistence. We can achieve too. Let us keep knocking the senator's offices thru all possible means.

[imdeng]

So we are all caught up in the excitement of the Jan VB. HR-3012 should remain the focus though. Nothing much has happened recently. I came across this article at Lexology, which is a decently popular site. Among the usual crap, it has the following sentence:

The President is expected to sign the bill once it passes the Senate.

The emphasis on "once" is mine, to contrast that there is no "if" there.

Everyone - please continue working for HR-3012. Right now the best thing you can do is call your Senator's office - so please do so.
Link to the article: http://www.lexology.com/library/deta...d-2522b144360a

[lalaji]

Now Mike Lee & Schumer is co sopnsor of AGREE act. Looks like HR 3012 will pass senate soon.

[lalaji]

Now Mike Lee & Schumer is co sopnsor of AGREE act. Looks like HR 3012 will pass senate soon.

[Jonty Rhodes]

Doing that! 3 visits to my state Senator's offices, 1 more planned before the vacations. I also printed out the flyer's that ** posted and actually visited Indian grocery stores and a temple (I never go to those 2 places otherwise) and distributed them yesterday. I have plans for doing this over the weekend too. I agree - we should not get lost in the VB and have our EB3-I friends in mind. Every visa bulletin for the past 2/3 months, EB3-I people get more frustrated and start threads (on trackitt) bashing EB2-I. This should not happen.

I totally agree with you. I am a physician under EB2I. I am supporting HR 3012 and I will keep supporting it irrespective of my green card status.

My support is based on my belief that country quota in employment category is unfair and should be removed.

Also, I have many friends in EB3I who had Masters from US universities but their GCs were filed in EB3 because their companies did not want to file in EB2 and also EB3I was not that bad few years ago. Now, they all are stuck. Some of them did port to EB2 successfully and got their GCs. Others tried to port but failed. For many more, porting is not possible due to various reasons.

I have many friends from EB2ROW and I honestly don't try to breath down their neck asking them to support HR 3012. They are opposing it and they are free to do it. I will support it and we are free to do it. They will still be my friends regardless of HR 3012 becomes a law or not.

Having said that, we may see some support fading away from EB2I mainly because many have got current with the January 2012 visa bulletin as they will be occupied filing their documents and getting their physicals and vaccinations done.

However, EB2I still needs HR 3012. With this kind of large movements in EB2 India and China, retrogression is inevitable and looming over. Yes, larger demand destruction seems to have influenced this huge movement to some extent. But I am certain that the dates will retrogress and will be stalled for sometime (at least for the rest of the FY2012). So, EB2I should not get too high and start flying because this movement is transitional and not permanent.

Anybody who files in EB2I today will still have a wait time of at least 4 years and that has been pretty consistent. Moreover, EB2I is completely spill-over dependent so in future, if the demand destruction is less and if the spill-over is low from EB1, EB4, EB5 and EB2ROW then basically EB2I backlog is going to grow for sure.

To conclude, I would say that EB2I still needs HR 3012. It is true that EB3I needs it much more than EB2I. But in the end, we all have to work together and support the bill.

[letheQ]

Why do you want it to go "with amendments" into "debate". I want this to pass with no amendments and no debate just the way it passed in house.

Because , I want to see some movement in H.R.3012 . I am confident that the amendments(if) will be defeated by other senators and the voting will result in our Favor .

[rdsingh79]

I see that now AGREE act has 9 co-sponsors...

Now Mike Lee & Schumer is co sopnsor of AGREE act. Looks like HR 3012 will pass senate soon.

[letheQ]

Now Mike Lee & Schumer is co sopnsor of AGREE act. Looks like HR 3012 will pass senate soon.

Agree ACT , Start up ACT, STAPLE ACT lot many pending in the queue . I guess the congressmen should focus passing something than introducing new ACT's every Month/Quarter.

[la_2002_ch]

I totally agree with you. I am a physician under EB2I. I am supporting HR 3012 and I will keep supporting it irrespective of my green card status.

My support is based on my belief that country quota in employment category is unfair and should be removed.

Also, I have many friends in EB3I who had Masters from US universities but their GCs were filed in EB3 because their companies did not want to file in EB2 and also EB3I was not that bad few years ago. Now, they all are stuck. Some of them did port to EB2 successfully and got their GCs. Others tried to port but failed. For many more, porting is not possible due to various reasons.

I have many friends from EB2ROW and I honestly don't try to breath down their neck asking them to support HR 3012. They are opposing it and they are free to do it. I will support it and we are free to do it. They will still be my friends regardless of HR 3012 becomes a law or not.

Having said that, we may see some support fading away from EB2I mainly because many have got current with the January 2012 visa bulletin as they will be occupied filing their documents and getting their physicals and vaccinations done.

However, EB2I still needs HR 3012. With this kind of large movements in EB2 India and China, retrogression is inevitable and looming over. Yes, larger demand destruction seems to have influenced this huge movement to some extent. But I am certain that the dates will retrogress and will be stalled for sometime (at least for the rest of the FY2012). So, EB2I should not get too high and start flying because this movement is transitional and not permanent.

Anybody who files in EB2I today will still have a wait time of at least 4 years and that has been pretty consistent. Moreover, EB2I is completely spill-over dependent so in future, if the demand destruction is less and if the spill-over is low from EB1, EB4, EB5 and EB2ROW then basically EB2I backlog is going to grow for sure.

To conclude, I would say that EB2I still needs HR 3012. It is true that EB3I needs it much more than EB2I. But in the end, we all have to work together and support the bill.

With all due respect, I dont agree with your statement that the support from EB2 I will fade away as they get current. I am EB2 I and got current today, but I am still supporting this bill the same way as I was doing yesterday.

We need this bill to eliminate the in-justice (dis-crimination) we have faced for so many years and this is the best/closest opportunity we have ever got.

[imdeng]

Well - life takes over you know - however much you might want to - the sense of urgency is no longer there. It is great if people who become current continue to be active and supportive - but I am not going to be too surprised if that does not happen to the extent you are expecting.

With all due respect, I dont agree with your statement that the support from EB2 I will fade away as they get current. I am EB2 I and got current today, but I am still supporting this bill the same way as I was doing yesterday.

We need this bill to eliminate the in-justice (dis-crimination) we have faced for so many years and this is the best/closest opportunity we have ever got.

[vishnu]

Also no reason to stop support as its still going to take time to get GCs...EADs are great but are not GCs (so dont count towards the 5 years required for naturalization etc)...

[Jonty Rhodes]

With all due respect, I dont agree with your statement that the support from EB2 I will fade away as they get current. I am EB2 I and got current today, but I am still supporting this bill the same way as I was doing yesterday.

We need this bill to eliminate the in-justice (dis-crimination) we have faced for so many years and this is the best/closest opportunity we have ever got.

Sorry for not specifying. What I meant to say that the support may fade away temporarily as there are many in EB2I who got current and will be busy filing their documents and getting their physicals and vaccinations done. I did not mean to say that EB2I who got current will just stop supporting it.

I guess, I should have been more specific while saying this. I just wanted to say that temporarily, one may see a drop in support in terms of taking actions like signing online petitions, calling senators, distributing flyers, involving other friends etc. I am not talking about the drop in overall support per say but just a temporary drop in support in terms of doing some ground action and that is also just a possibility, not a gospel truth.

I agree, this is the best chance we have got so far in last 11 years and we should not let it go.

[immitime]

Sorry for not specifying. What I meant to say that the support may fade away temporarily as there are many in EB2I who got current and will be busy filing their documents and getting their physicals and vaccinations done. I did not mean to say that EB2I who got current will just stop supporting it.

I guess, I should have been more specific while saying this. I just wanted to say that temporarily, one may see a drop in support in terms of taking actions like signing online petitions, calling senators, distributing flyers, involving other friends etc. I am not talking about the drop in overall support per say but just a temporary drop in support in terms of doing some ground action and that is also just a possibility, not a gospel truth.

I agree, this is the best chance we have got so far in last 11 years and we should not let it go.

I do not think for a bill which has overwhelming majority support in Congress, the Senators will not let it go, why because election year and bipartisan bill. we may have to wait until next week for further info.

[la_2002_ch]

Sorry for not specifying. What I meant to say that the support may fade away temporarily as there are many in EB2I who got current and will be busy filing their documents and getting their physicals and vaccinations done. I did not mean to say that EB2I who got current will just stop supporting it.

I guess, I should have been more specific while saying this. I just wanted to say that temporarily, one may see a drop in support in terms of taking actions like signing online petitions, calling senators, distributing flyers, involving other friends etc. I am not talking about the drop in overall support per say but just a temporary drop in support in terms of doing some ground action and that is also just a possibility, not a gospel truth.

I agree, this is the best chance we have got so far in last 11 years and we should not let it go.

OK, now that I understand what you mean to say, I agree with you.

[immitime]

The Oh Law Firm reports as below.

12/10/2011: Irish E-3 Nonimmigrant Visa Bill Scheduled to be Introduced in the Senate Tuesday, 12/13/2011

http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html

We reported earlier that Irish community had been lobbying to introduce this bill as an amendment to H.R. 3012. However sources of information indicate that two powerful Democrat Senators of Chuck Schumer, Chairman of Senate Judiciary Immigration Subcommittee and Dick Durbin, Senate Manority Whip, are scheduled to co-sponsor and introduce this bill in the Senate on Tuesday. Considering the fact that H.R. 3012 bill is on hold, it is likely that the bill may be introduced as a separate bill. This may be considered an interesting turn of event. For the development of this news, please stay tuned to this website.