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  1. #2501
    Imdeng, can you elaborate the formula?
    Quote Originally Posted by imdeng View Post
    Thats even better. That would mean 12K + 0.85*40K = 46K of EB2IC inventory needed to meet HR-3012 requirement for FY2012.

  2. #2502
    Quote Originally Posted by Waiting4Ever View Post
    Guys,
    Why does 85% apply to only 40K, why not 140K....
    And does 85% apply to India or India and China? The way I was reading it, it would apply only to one country(India).
    Guys, we have a thread more or less dedicated to HR3012.
    http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth....3012-H.R.3119
    I'm moving all the specific HR3012 posts that aren't numbers related there. Feel free to discuss the implications of the bill passing on the VB dates here if you wish, but move your bill specific questions to that thread.
    NSC (originally TSC, transferred to NSC on 02/13/13) |-| PD - 04/25/08 |-| MD - 01/19/12 |-| RD - 01/27/12 |-| ND - 01/31/12 |-| Check Encashed - 02/02/12 |-| NRD - 02/04/12 |-| FPND - 02/09/12 |-| FPNRD - 02/17/12 |-| FP Early Walk-In - 02/24/12 |-| EAD/AP Approval & card production notice - 03/07/12 |-| EAD/AP RD - 03/12/12 |-| EAD/AP renewal RD - 12/11/12 |-| EAD/AP renewal approval - 01/22/13 |-| 485 Approval notice - 09/04/13 |-| GC RD - 09/11/13|

  3. #2503
    Quote Originally Posted by leo07 View Post
    Imdeng, can you elaborate the formula?
    I think he's referring to
    12K of FD from EB1 (since with HR3012 FA from EB2ROW would no longer be relevant)
    85% of 40K being unreserved amount available to all countries per PD that will be used almost completely by I & C

    imdeng, one thing you are forgetting is that depending on when HR3012 passes (if it passes), there may not be 85% still available for EB2I & C.
    The USCIS would most likely have already used up more than the 15% by Dec 31 for countries other than I & C (I'm saying this on the basis of absolutely no analysis), so if HR3012 becomes law at that time EB2IC will not have the entire 85% amount. Most likely EB2ROW will become U at that stage, and all remaining visa numbers will be provided based purely on PDs (so only to EB2I & C). Every month's delay in passing the law will cost EB2IC more visa numbers.
    NSC (originally TSC, transferred to NSC on 02/13/13) |-| PD - 04/25/08 |-| MD - 01/19/12 |-| RD - 01/27/12 |-| ND - 01/31/12 |-| Check Encashed - 02/02/12 |-| NRD - 02/04/12 |-| FPND - 02/09/12 |-| FPNRD - 02/17/12 |-| FP Early Walk-In - 02/24/12 |-| EAD/AP Approval & card production notice - 03/07/12 |-| EAD/AP RD - 03/12/12 |-| EAD/AP renewal RD - 12/11/12 |-| EAD/AP renewal approval - 01/22/13 |-| 485 Approval notice - 09/04/13 |-| GC RD - 09/11/13|

  4. #2504
    ok. Thanks. Just wanted to be sure. Like you said, it would be some thing like 12K-x + 0.85*0.8*40k. x being qsp already applied and assuming 20% of visas are consumed by Jan 1st.

  5. #2505
    Guys, I moved several more messages on HR3012 to the advocacy thread here:
    http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth....3012-H.R.3119
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  7. #2507
    Observation.

    Dec VB DD published on Nov 9th wednesday morning, although data collection date says Nov 7th monday.

    Dec VB itself officially published on Nov 10th thursday morning, unofficially seen on mumbai consulate website on Nov 9th night time here, and here's the big observation: the date of publication on Dec VB says November 8th tuesday.

    It can be infered that DD was very much ready on nov 7th monday and VB was very much ready in CO's mind same day and in actual hard copy on nov 8th tuesday itself. It was already decided, delay was artificial.
    I am not a lawyer, and it's always best to consult an immigration attorney.

  8. #2508
    Quote Originally Posted by nishant2200 View Post
    Observation.

    Dec VB DD published on Nov 9th wednesday morning, although data collection date says Nov 7th monday.

    Dec VB itself officially published on Nov 10th thursday morning, unofficially seen on mumbai consulate website on Nov 9th night time here, and here's the big observation: the date of publication on Dec VB says November 8th tuesday.

    It can be infered that DD was very much ready on nov 7th monday and VB was very much ready in CO's mind same day and in actual hard copy on nov 8th tuesday itself. It was already decided, delay was artificial.
    Hello Nishanth
    How is your paper work coming along. Will you be able to file on Dec 1st.
    When should we expect to get EAD if we file on Dec 1st week.

    Thanks. all the best

  9. #2509
    Yes, lawyer says he will overnight it on 11/30 so that it gets there on 12/1

    This is the expected sequence of events told to me that lawyer expects:
    - Receipts in 8-10 days after USCIS gets application
    - Biometric appointment notice in 3-4 weeks after that
    - EAD/AP card around 30 days after biometric appointment is done
    - He says 60 days around after application receipted is good estimate for EAD/AP card
    - GC he says before June 1st i.e. around 180 days after application gets in

    Also my birth certificate does not have my and mother's full name, my mother's first name has "ben" attached to it, and my wife's birth certificate is registered late in 2005, but he says he will submit only simple birth certificate, and if they ask for clarification, he will submit the additional stuff I have given him (School leaving certificate, affidavits), and he feels that if we submit too much stuff in the initial stage, it unnecessarily makes USCIS think, that there is a problem and complicates matters.

    Quote Originally Posted by dec2007 View Post
    Hello Nishanth
    How is your paper work coming along. Will you be able to file on Dec 1st.
    When should we expect to get EAD if we file on Dec 1st week.

    Thanks. all the best
    I am not a lawyer, and it's always best to consult an immigration attorney.

  10. #2510
    Looking at Spec's updated PERM numbers for 2011: http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...y-Breakdown%29

    Seems like the super high PERM numbers of 2010 are carrying through to 2011. We have EB2IC PERM density of 3K per month now. Sure, some of these are porting/duplicate/parallel filing - but even after discounting those, the situation is dire. If this situation continues and economy picks up then EB2 is well on its way to becoming EB3 unless something like HR-3012 happens.

    Request for Spec: Spec - it would be helpful to see monthly PERM numbers for EB2IC in comparison to the same for EB2ROW especially in regards to fall-across spillover numbers. If its not too much trouble, please post them as well. Thanks.
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  11. #2511
    It could be worrisome if those approvals all relate to year 2011 PDs.

    I do not think they all relate to year 2011 PDs so the density could be less than what's implied there.
    Quote Originally Posted by imdeng View Post
    Looking at Spec's updated PERM numbers for 2011: http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...y-Breakdown%29

    Seems like the super high PERM numbers of 2010 are carrying through to 2011. We have EB2IC PERM density of 3K per month now. Sure, some of these are porting/duplicate/parallel filing - but even after discounting those, the situation is dire. If this situation continues and economy picks up then EB2 is well on its way to becoming EB3 unless something like HR-3012 happens.

    Request for Spec: Spec - it would be helpful to see monthly PERM numbers for EB2IC in comparison to the same for EB2ROW especially in regards to fall-across spillover numbers. If its not too much trouble, please post them as well. Thanks.
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  12. #2512
    I believe the row labels are indeed the PD months. So, for example, we have 2919 EB2IC PERM cases with PD in Jan 2011 approved in FY2011. This is quite worrisome.
    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    It could be worrisome if those approvals all relate to year 2011 PDs.

    I do not think they all relate to year 2011 PDs so the density could be less than what's implied there.
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  13. #2513

    PERM Approvals by Country and by PD Year

    I just combined Spec's PERM data to see the distribution of PERM Approvals by country and by PD year. Turns out, India is not only continuously increasing its share of EB2/3 demand, the demand from India is now much more than the rest of the world combined. Shows you how ridiculous per country limits are and how deep a backlog EB2I will fall into pretty soon if HR-3012 fails (assuming most of India PERM approvals are EB2).
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  14. #2514
    Chances are major number of these perm approvals are porters from Eb3 to Eb2. 2007-2009 consistently increased but the number just started shooting up in 2009-2010..possibly after all the buzz about Eb2 movement. Sans HR3012, pretty bleak picture if this continues to happen. Thanks for the data.

    Quote Originally Posted by imdeng View Post
    I just combined Spec's PERM data to see the distribution of PERM Approvals by country and by PD year. Turns out, India is not only continuously increasing its share of EB2/3 demand, the demand from India is now much more than the rest of the world combined. Shows you how ridiculous per country limits are and how deep a backlog EB2I will fall into pretty soon if HR-3012 fails (assuming most of India PERM approvals are EB2).
    EB2I: PD 08-20-2009 || SC: TSC || RD: 2/10/2012 || ND: 2/15/2012 || FP: 3/14/2012 || RN: SRC1290146*** || EAD/AP-Dependent 3/16/2012 (combo card) received || EAD/AP-Applicant: 3/26/2012 (combo card) first received || Medical/EVL RFE Response Sent with AC21: First time on 7/24/2014, second time on 01/22/2016 || Now what?
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  15. #2515
    Q, what do you exactly mean by "relate to year 2011 PDs"?
    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    It could be worrisome if those approvals all relate to year 2011 PDs.

    I do not think they all relate to year 2011 PDs so the density could be less than what's implied there.
    EB2I: PD 08-20-2009 || SC: TSC || RD: 2/10/2012 || ND: 2/15/2012 || FP: 3/14/2012 || RN: SRC1290146*** || EAD/AP-Dependent 3/16/2012 (combo card) received || EAD/AP-Applicant: 3/26/2012 (combo card) first received || Medical/EVL RFE Response Sent with AC21: First time on 7/24/2014, second time on 01/22/2016 || Now what?
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    You can add around 200 from HP for year 2008, i am not sure on count but there are reasonable no's from BOA for year 2008.

  17. #2517
    We have determined porting to be about 3K per year - so that explains only a small part of the data.

    Quote Originally Posted by self.coach View Post
    Chances are major number of these perm approvals are porters from Eb3 to Eb2. 2007-2009 consistently increased but the number just started shooting up in 2009-2010..possibly after all the buzz about Eb2 movement. Sans HR3012, pretty bleak picture if this continues to happen. Thanks for the data.
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  18. #2518
    Is the 3K per year consistent since 2008? Do we have yearly data for Eb3-Eb2 portings since 2008? I'd say lesser in 2008/09 and jumping up since then.
    Quote Originally Posted by imdeng View Post
    We have determined porting to be about 3K per year - so that explains only a small part of the data.
    EB2I: PD 08-20-2009 || SC: TSC || RD: 2/10/2012 || ND: 2/15/2012 || FP: 3/14/2012 || RN: SRC1290146*** || EAD/AP-Dependent 3/16/2012 (combo card) received || EAD/AP-Applicant: 3/26/2012 (combo card) first received || Medical/EVL RFE Response Sent with AC21: First time on 7/24/2014, second time on 01/22/2016 || Now what?
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  19. #2519
    3K is the estimated figure for last year (FY2011). It is not expected to move much in either direction.

    Quote Originally Posted by self.coach View Post
    Is the 3K per year consistent since 2008? Do we have yearly data for Eb3-Eb2 portings since 2008? I'd say lesser in 2008/09 and jumping up since then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imdeng View Post
    3K is the estimated figure for last year (FY2011). It is not expected to move much in either direction.
    Have we come full circle in terms of density? There was discussion a month back where we talked about 2000 vs 2500 vs 3000 and we settled on 2500. Obviously 3000 is not good for folks in the second half of 2008 and 2009 unless 3012 goes through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imdeng View Post
    Request for Spec: Spec - it would be helpful to see monthly PERM numbers for EB2IC in comparison to the same for EB2ROW especially in regards to fall-across spillover numbers. If its not too much trouble, please post them as well. Thanks.
    imdeng,

    Do you mean PERM numbers for ROW, or do you mean numbers for Non-IC (ROW-M-P)?
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  22. #2522
    My bad. Spec's heading itself says those are PDs.

    That trend is very surprising indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by self.coach View Post
    Q, what do you exactly mean by "relate to year 2011 PDs"?
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  23. #2523
    I meant Non-IC Spec. As far as EB2 is concerned, ROW, M and P are all in the same bucket - right? Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    imdeng,

    Do you mean PERM numbers for ROW, or do you mean numbers for Non-IC (ROW-M-P)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    imdeng,

    Do you mean PERM numbers for ROW, or do you mean numbers for Non-IC (ROW-M-P)?
    Spec,
    Good to see your post after long time. Hope you are having great holidays.

  25. #2525
    Quote Originally Posted by nishant2200 View Post
    Yes, lawyer says he will overnight it on 11/30 so that it gets there on 12/1

    This is the expected sequence of events told to me that lawyer expects:
    - Receipts in 8-10 days after USCIS gets application
    - Biometric appointment notice in 3-4 weeks after that
    - EAD/AP card around 30 days after biometric appointment is done
    - He says 60 days around after application receipted is good estimate for EAD/AP card
    - GC he says before June 1st i.e. around 180 days after application gets in

    Also my birth certificate does not have my and mother's full name, my mother's first name has "ben" attached to it, and my wife's birth certificate is registered late in 2005, but he says he will submit only simple birth certificate, and if they ask for clarification, he will submit the additional stuff I have given him (School leaving certificate, affidavits), and he feels that if we submit too much stuff in the initial stage, it unnecessarily makes USCIS think, that there is a problem and complicates matters.
    Nishant,

    How long did it take for you and your lawyer to prepare the application? And what would be the receipt date for you if your application is reached USCIS on Dec 1st?

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