No Votes were registered against the bill or part of the bill .Originally Posted by self.coach
The voting was for the amendment offered by congressman Mr. King , which was defeated by 6-23 votes 6 yay and 23 nay.
Amendment here refers to any change to the original bill .
It sounds like it was just the ammendment that was defeated
Do we know what was the amendment that was shot down?
If it's an amendment from King and it was shot down, then that in itself is a good sign( defeating Kings amendment, because he is known to include items that can bring the whole bill down)
I think Rep King wanted to block the increase in per country limit for family-based category (7 to 15%). This is defeated.
He also wanted to eliminate the EB3 category all together and bring the EB visa limit down to 100,000. This amendment was adjudged as 'not relevant' and was rejected (no voting required by committee)
Do we know what was the amendment that was shot down?
If it's an amendment from King and it was shot down, then that in itself is a good sign
Increasing the # of Family-based GCs.Do we know what was the amendment that was shot down?
If it's an amendment from King and it was shot down, then that in itself is a good sign
Thanks! This guy always tries to throw a wrench in the last minute...I'm sure he has more up his sleeves until President signs the paper.
Guys,
Why does 85% apply to only 40K, why not 140K....
And does 85% apply to India or India and China? The way I was reading it, it would apply only to one country(India).
Last edited by Waiting4Ever; 11-22-2011 at 04:33 PM. Reason: obsolte
It applies of EB2 and EB3 only, so it's 85% x 40K each. It doesn't apply to the other EB categories (actually, It's been a while since I've read the bill so I'm going by memory, I'm not certain about EB4 and EB5).
The 85% of 40K applies to all countries based on PDs. The remaining 15% is reserved for all countries other than India and China (which were the 'states whose natives used the most EB visa numbers in 2010'). Of the 85% unreserved, not more than 85% (so 72% of the total 40K) can be used by any one country (effectively India).
In effect, In EB2 and EB3 India will use 72% x 40K, China will use 13% x 40K and the rest will be used by ROW-M-P for the next couple of fiscal years.
NSC (originally TSC, transferred to NSC on 02/13/13) |-| PD - 04/25/08 |-| MD - 01/19/12 |-| RD - 01/27/12 |-| ND - 01/31/12 |-| Check Encashed - 02/02/12 |-| NRD - 02/04/12 |-| FPND - 02/09/12 |-| FPNRD - 02/17/12 |-| FP Early Walk-In - 02/24/12 |-| EAD/AP Approval & card production notice - 03/07/12 |-| EAD/AP RD - 03/12/12 |-| EAD/AP renewal RD - 12/11/12 |-| EAD/AP renewal approval - 01/22/13 |-| 485 Approval notice - 09/04/13 |-| GC RD - 09/11/13|
AGREE ACT (Senate): So it is officially a BILL now:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1866/show
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-1866
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1866: - Title V
https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/s1866/report#nation
http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills...2_SN_1866.html
and News from Coons website: U.S. Senators Chris Coons (D-Del.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) today applauded the introduction of a companion to their bipartisan American Growth, Recovery, Empowerment and Entrepreneurship Act in the House today by U.S. Representatives Richard Hanna (R-NY-24) and Bill Keating (D-MA-10).
Part of Bill will - Eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrant visas and adjusts the limitations on family based visa petitions from 7% per country to 15%
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As the bill was referred to the committee of the whole house, we won't be able to see it publicly on the calendar because for that it needs to go thru rules committee and needs debate rules. It basically now becomes a side show. Hopefully, it will be quick and in our favor.
As some one said, For Politicians any bill which have a chance to pass in Senate and Congress and becomes law, is like if a "Dog sees a Fire Hydrant or mile stone" They want to put the mark. or want to search for another Fire Hydrant or Mile Stone!. So no wonder there are mutliple bills now from both parties.
Praying for all. and doing my 2 cents to make it happen!
Status of the Legislation
Latest Major Action: 11/18/2011: Placed on the Union Calendar, Calendar No. 193.
Points in Favor
1. Country of Birth has no place in skills-based immigration. There is a diversity visa
category for that which explicitly disallows China, India etc...
2. America is the LAND OF THE FREE, HOME OF THE BRAVE. Expecting an employees loyalty for
2-3 years in exchange for sponsorship is one thing. Expecting the same for 20-30 years is
only a shade away from indentured servitude and downright slavery. It is not who we are !
3. America needs these High-skilled Immigrants as much as they need us. We need the tax dollars to pay for our retirement, social security, medicare and medicaid. If the majority
of these immigrants are from China and India - these are fast growing MAJOR economies. many
of them can do just as well back home. when that happens AMERICA LOSES.
4. It is time we stopped treating the legal tax-paying immigrants worse than we treat illegal immigrants! These people make an important contribution to society and america - Think Jerry Yang Sergey Brin etc...
Points Against
1. Provides a small relief to backlog (a few years from decades) for India, China, and other countries in the bill while significantly increasing the wait time for the rest of the world.
2. All unused green card numbers from other countries' quotas are already allocated to the countries that are over their quota, each year.
3. Has nothing to do with fairness. Immigration is a privilege, not a birthright, US can institute policies on immigration that it deems beneficial to its interests. While it can be argued that having more highly skilled immigrants is in the best interest of the country, it cannot be logically argued that having more skilled immigrants from India, China, or Mexico will be MORE beneficial to US compared to immigrants from other countries. The selection process to determine the "high" skill of the applicants is same for all applicants regardless of their country of origin. The reason for the per country limit was to keep diversity in Science Technology Engineering and Mathematics fields and to encourage immigrants from smaller countries to become permanent residents as well rather than having individuals from one or few countries dominate the STEM
Hearing in House is confirmed. Please look at the majority leader link
http://majorityleader.gov/floor/weekly.html
Great news. Among the four bills up for vote on Tue, 3012 has the most co-sponsors. It also seems like the other three are non-controversial, slam-dunk bills - so perhaps 3012 is also being seen as such. If the bill passes with a large majority then it will help it get a good chance in the Senate as well.
Have we had any progress in the Senate version of 3012? It is possible that the bill might stop in Senate if Rubio/Coons bill gets precedence over the senate companion bill (S-1857).
EB2I NSC | PD: 08/07/2009 | Forum Glossary
Also - its great that the bill is being voted "under suspension of rules". This is typically done for non-controversial bills that are expected to pass very easily and quickly. This ensures that the debate will be limited to 40 mins and no amendments can be added.
EB2I NSC | PD: 08/07/2009 | Forum Glossary
imdeng, I dont see it on Eric Cantor's link mentioned by you. Where do you see it ?
Imdeng, I agree the way how it is introduced is very encouraging.
In my opinion the toughest phase for this bill is in Senate. Also Senate is known for it slow pace. Given the stance taken by the republican candiates in their debate yesterday, it appears to me that the republican establishment is in favour of strengthning legal immigration.
On a pessimestic note, I have not seen enough news from the Dems side, although bills are introduced in the Senate , it is still not showing very encouraging signs. Atleast not yet. It is possible that they want to keep this as a low profile bill and pass it without much controversy. If that is the strategy then it most welcome and we can see some light at the end of tunnell sooner than later.
http://majorityleader.gov/floor/weekly.html - the text clearly mentions that the bills below are being considered under suspension of rules.
Suspension of rules essentially means that Dems have agreed to support the bill. This does increase the possibility that Dems will also support the bill in the Senate. This would be vital since Dems control the Senate Calendar and they will decide when (and if) the bill gets voted on in Senate.
EB2I NSC | PD: 08/07/2009 | Forum Glossary
I still dont see where it mentions that 3012 will taken up for discussion/vote on 11/29 at 630 PM EST. Am i missing something
I am sorry that you were not able to see it or read it. I am Quoting the text on the page with HR 3012 bolded below.
THE LEADER'S WEEKLY SCHEDULE
WEEK OF NOVEMBER 28, 2012
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 28TH
On Monday, the House is not in session.
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 29TH
On Tuesday, the House will meet at 2:00 p.m. for legislative business. Votes will be postponed until 6:30 p.m.
Legislation Considered Under Suspension of the Rules:
1) H.R. 1801 - Risk-Based Security Screening for Members of the Armed Forces Act (Sponsored by Rep. Chip Cravaack / Homeland Security Committee)
2) H.R. 2465 - Federal Workers Compensation Modernization and Improvement Act (Sponsored by Rep. John Kline / Education and the Workforce Committee)
3) H.R. 3012 - Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act (Sponsored by Rep. Jason Chaffetz / Judiciary Committee)
4) H.R. 2192 - National Guard and Reservist Debt Relief Extension Act of 2011 (Sponsored by Rep. Steve Cohen / Judiciary Committee)
Whats meaning of 'Legislation Considered Under Suspension of the Rules' ? TIA
Last edited by suninphx; 11-23-2011 at 12:42 PM.
Thanks KD. Based on Aman's note it is expected to pass with 90% majority. Lets hope it sails thru. I did my part by contacting all NE congressman's and they all Republicans.
Suspension of the rules is a procedure generally used to quickly pass non-controversial bills in the United States House of Representatives.
A motion to suspend the rules is in order on Mondays and Tuesdays and towards the end of a session of Congress and may only be made by the Speaker of the House or their designee, though it is customary for committee chairs to write the Speaker requesting a suspension. Once a member makes a motion to "suspend the rules" and take some action, debate is limited to 40 minutes, no amendments can be offered to the motion or the underlying matter, and a 2/3 majority of Members present and voting is required to agree to the motion.
A suspension motion sets aside all procedural and other rules that would otherwise prohibit the House from consideration of the measure, but the specific rules that are to be suspended are never mentioned in the motion. Typically, a suspension motion is phrased as a motion to "suspend the rules and pass the bill," and, if the Motion is agreed to, the bill is considered as passed by the House. A Member can also move to suspend the rules and take another action, such as to "suspend the rules and consider the bill," and the House shall take the proposed action if two-thirds of those voting are in favor of the motion.
Most often, bills "on suspension" are non-controversial legislation -- such as naming Post Offices of the United States Postal Service or federal buildings -- and nearly all bills that are considered under suspension rules have bipartisan support. Both major political parties in the United States -- the Democratic Party and Republican Party -- have internal rules that prohibit proposing or supporting a bill under suspension unless it costs less than $100 million.
Source: Wiki
Last edited by leo4ever; 11-23-2011 at 12:43 PM.
Leo; EB2I; PD: 11/01/2008; NSC; MD: 01/03/2012; RD: 01/04/2012; ND: 1/12/2012; FP Scheduled: 02/22; EAD/AP: 02/22; CPO email: 03/09/2012; GC 3/15/2012; what next???? India Trip????
It does feel like it will pass in the house without any major hurdle. I know it is early but congratulations and thank you all for your efforts in making it possible for 3012 to house floor for a vote.
Lets regroup everyone after thanksgiving and as other people also mentioned here, shift our focus on Senate.
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-707921
I also posted the news on CNN Ireports in hope to get some national/media attention. Please visit the link and try to spread the word in national media to generate more support for senate version of the bill.
Can someone, who has good writing skills give me some text to go with this iReport?
Thanks
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