Sportsfan, Pedro and all others...great job guys to keep the tempo and awareness up...keep going
Sportsfan, Pedro and all others...great job guys to keep the tempo and awareness up...keep going
Last edited by suninphx; 10-27-2011 at 09:53 AM.
There might be need for folks to travel to Washington D.C. when this bill comes for vote in House.. and later in Senate...to drum up support and create media flurry. So please keep a day or two of vacation ready. We have this one chance to pass HR 3012. Lets give it all.
i started following during last 10-15 minutes. King proposed an amendment to restrict brothers and sisters.Originally Posted by jackbrown_890
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jackbrown/pedro/sportsfan- good to see people following this.
i read in this forum that if this bil passes (i know everyone saying the chance is only 0.1%), yet if it passes then eb2 will jump to oct 2009 or may even become current. since eb1 is not going to be affected by this bill will that change the prediction?
how long before this bill will be in house/senate? what is the biggest hurdle from now?
keep faith - persistence pays
Possible action items:
1) Schedule a meeting to speak with your Congressperson and obtain support for HR 3012.
2) There might be need for folks to travel to Washington D.C. when this bill comes for vote in House.. and later in Senate...to drum up support and create media flurry. So please keep a day or two of vacation ready. We have this one chance to pass HR 3012. Lets give it all.
Other advocacy items will show up as things progress. Use your current energy and excitement to schedule an appointment with Congressperson's office..if with Congress person then even better.
I think KD2008 watched the part I missed and as s/he said,, it was "Eb1 excluded from this bill" amendment, which passed. It doesn't affect too many people since Eb1 is always or has been always Current in the past anyways.
I missed the Judiciary markup...does anybody has a link to the video recording please?
Response from congressperson in my area regarding my email supporting HR 3012:
Thank you for contacting me regarding immigration reform. I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts with me.
Like you, I believe our immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed. That's why I voted to have a full debate and up-or-down vote on an immigration plan in the Senate during the 111th Congress. While the plan was not perfect, it would have been a first step toward securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws. Still, I remain committed to reforming our nation's immigration laws in a comprehensive fashion. I will keep your thoughts in mind if the Senate considers comprehensive immigration reform in this session of Congress. Please don't hesitate to contact me in the future, as your communication helps me better serve you in the Senate.
Wow. I got out of a meeting and rushed back to watch the footage and it's done. Step 1 of 4 in my opinion. I believe step 2 (passing the house) will now happen unless the opposition organizes itself better and generates significant noise, so make those calls / schedule those meetings with YOUR congressman / senator as sportsfan33 has done. I'll keep you guys posted if I hear anything else.
Odd, that amendment from Zoe, if it means 7% country caps will remain on EB1s. I think that's the area if any where country caps make the least sense. Would you ask a CV Raman to wait a year or two if 2,800 EB1I visas have already been given out? Anyway, I'll read the amendment when it's out and see if it is what we think it is. Maybe it just excludes EB1s from the calculation of the reserved visas (the 6,006 in FY2012 and 4,004 in FY2013 & FY2014) because otherwise, EB1ROW would have taken up the entire allocation of reserved visas and EB2 & EB3 ROW would have got nothing until the retrogressed countries caught up.
Great work all. I don't believe this is the work of one organization's efforts. They may have led the charge, but jamming the phones required a groundswell of support. I think the debates on trackitt, murthy's bulletin and the info spread on this site all got folks to pick their phones up. We need more, though. I spoke with my cousin who is in business school about this and he had no idea what the bill was about, but also at how long of a wait he was looking at. Most people assume the recession will mean the wait time's are going to drop or go away altogether. Those are the people you need to make aware of this. If you know any Indian or Chinese student in grad school or someone recently out of gradschool that's just started or not yet started the process, call him / her up and ask them to research the subject, and start making calls. Many of us here are likely to get our GCs in the next 12 months regardless, it's those guys that are affected, and they should be doing their fare share towards it.
NSC (originally TSC, transferred to NSC on 02/13/13) |-| PD - 04/25/08 |-| MD - 01/19/12 |-| RD - 01/27/12 |-| ND - 01/31/12 |-| Check Encashed - 02/02/12 |-| NRD - 02/04/12 |-| FPND - 02/09/12 |-| FPNRD - 02/17/12 |-| FP Early Walk-In - 02/24/12 |-| EAD/AP Approval & card production notice - 03/07/12 |-| EAD/AP RD - 03/12/12 |-| EAD/AP renewal RD - 12/11/12 |-| EAD/AP renewal approval - 01/22/13 |-| 485 Approval notice - 09/04/13 |-| GC RD - 09/11/13|
Well articulated. I think p1 is high too. With Smith backing the bill and knowing how many calls his office has received, he isn't going to let Boehner sideline this.
I also believe there is a senate judiciary committee that it needs to be introduced to and pass, between p2 and p3 (let's call it p2.5, unless you meant to include that as a part of p3). I think that unless the bill gets the attention of a big senate Dem, neither p2.5, p3 or p4 will happen.
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NSC (originally TSC, transferred to NSC on 02/13/13) |-| PD - 04/25/08 |-| MD - 01/19/12 |-| RD - 01/27/12 |-| ND - 01/31/12 |-| Check Encashed - 02/02/12 |-| NRD - 02/04/12 |-| FPND - 02/09/12 |-| FPNRD - 02/17/12 |-| FP Early Walk-In - 02/24/12 |-| EAD/AP Approval & card production notice - 03/07/12 |-| EAD/AP RD - 03/12/12 |-| EAD/AP renewal RD - 12/11/12 |-| EAD/AP renewal approval - 01/22/13 |-| 485 Approval notice - 09/04/13 |-| GC RD - 09/11/13|
It sure is odd. Fortunately it will not hurt EB1IC since EB1 usually is always current.
On the other point also i agree w you pedro- I think everybody should do what s/he can. This has very far reaching consequences for EB category. Instead of touting horns for an organization or trying to control EB people;s actions, I would trust an EB person's intelligence in taking action on his own and reach out to lawmakers to positively influence them.
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http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/mark_10252011.html
House Judiciary committe website updated with passing of H.R.3012
http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...=9544#post9544
Lofgren amendment that passed now say 85% of the unreserved visa to single country up from 70% before - page 3 line 2Pedro,
Just to add to your post.
For Unreserved visas (those for IC initially), no Country may use more than 70% of that total.
For Reserved visas (to be split between Mexico, Philippines & ROW), no Country may use more than 25% of that total.
The limits would be:
-------------- FY2012 -- FY2013 -- FY2014 -- FY2015 on
Reserved ------ 15% ----- 10% ---- 10% ---------- 0%
Total Visas -- 40,040 -- 40,040 -- 40,040 -- 40,040
Reserved ------ 6,006 --- 4,004 --- 4,004 ------- 0
25% ----------- 1,502 --- 1,001 --- 1,001 ------- 0
Unreserved --- 34,034 -- 36,036 -- 36,036 -- 40,040
70% ---------- 23,824 -- 25,225 -- 25,225 -- 28,028
Effectively, for FY2012 that would initially be :
China ------- 10,210 (34,034 minus 23,824)
India ------- 23,824 (70% limit)
Mexico ------- 1,502 (25% limit)
Philippines -- 1,502 (25% limit)
ROW ---------- 3,002 (Remainder)
Total ------- 40,040
In reality, for EB2, Mexico doesn't use 1,502 visas, so some would be shared between Philippines and ROW.
The same Reserved/Unreserved splits and maximums of 70%/25% also seems to be applied to Spillover, although the language is not entirely clear.
The EB2-C Cut Off Date would accelerate rapidly, probably catching EB2-ROW-MP in FY2013.
Assuming continued high demand from EB2-I beyond FY2010 PDs and the 70% limit, the Cut Off Dates for EB2-I would not equal EB2-C-MP-ROW until around FY2019/FY2020.
At this point, all Countries would be retrogressed by around 2.5 years by my rough calculation.
EB3 is much more difficult to calculate. China doesn't have the demand, but Philippines does for the period CY2006 onwards and Mexico demand is always a mystery.
EB3-I might catch up to ROW Cut Off date fairly quickly, but all Countries would end up around 8 years retrogressed and increasing.
EB1 excluded - page 2 line 24
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/...by%20voice.pdf
The EB1 exclusion is only for transition phase. After that it is strictly first-come-first-serve.
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Lofgren amendment that passed now say 85% of the unreserved visa to single country up from 70% before - page 3 line 2
EB1 excluded - page 2 line 24
The EB1 exclusion is only for transition phase. After that it is strictly first-come-first-serve.
Does Lofgren's amendment covers all transition years ? From what I read EB1 exclusion is applicable for year 2012 only.
As I read it and understand it, it applies to 2012, 2013, 2014 ...page 3 line 2 of http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/...by%20voice.pdf
From what I read the location where this exclusion is made is Page1, Line 7 where it refers to "paragraphs (2) and (3) of section 203(b)".
This explicit reference to "paragraphs (2) and (3)" is missing from year 2013 and 2014.
203(b)- Employment based green card category
paragraph 1 of 203(b) -- EB1
paragraph 2 of 203(b) -- EB2
paragraph 3 of 203(b) -- EB3
That's terrific. Thanks Nishant for posting.
I continue to be amazed with how much certainty CO Murthy and other lawyers have been talking about forward movement.
I do not think anything fundamental has changed in terms of policy. I think this has all do with replenishment of pipeline. I also think that this is closely tied to 3012 which would indicate that 3012 doesn't have as slim chance as we may think.
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something does seem afoot. (3012...?) It is very uncharacteristic. I will again maintain, this is it, this might be the last golden opportunity for Mr. CO before various factors like visibility into demand function, hammering of service requests, pre-adjudication being fast by USCIS, etc catches up.
I will also say that keep emotions in check, until the event happens, it's all just probability, high or low. I know it's difficult, but I would like to repeat, we should not take it for granted.
Q, exactly. I'm sure as much as they want to replenish the inventory, they are still highly visible government agencies during an election year. Definitely they don't want their backs against wall during May-October 2012. I'm sure they are working on credible information that 3012 or something similar will get through by march-April-May time frame.
"each of such paragraphs" means the paragraphs mentioned earlier in the amendment, or Paragraphs 2 and 3 of Sec 202 mentioned in paragraph 1A of the amendment. So kd is right.
Also, one difference is that India is now looking at 85% of the 85%, whereas we had 70% of the 100% earlier. Still better, but only marginally so.
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as there are not more than 10 -15 days for next bulletin, hopefully CO will stick to his words, as always I and qbf were telling hopefully it will move atleast till April -2008 in couple more bulletins...
Feel like there is some belief..
NIshant, get ready with your paper work buddy, ours is not sure but looks like yours will be sure shot..
I have been thinking about the connection with HR3012 as well...
What if HR3012 passes, then CO will be forced to make EB2 current for all countries. Best would be for him to advance it to get atleast 35K applications before Feb 2012 and then by that time if HR3012 is passed and signed as law, then he will move further to get another 50K atleast.
Good days are ahead for EB2IC. Hopefully HR3012 is signed into law and EB3IC gets much needed relief.
Good Luck to all!!
Good hear gurus
Edit: Mine is April 8, 2008 very less chances in Dec VB, May be in Jan VB
Last edited by venkimakthal; 10-27-2011 at 12:55 PM.
skpanda
another thing that is a serious reason to make believe 3012 is serious is EB3I situation.
Recapture is extremely tough. Any kind of cap increase is extremely tough.
So removal of country cap is the ONLY realistic hope for EB3IC.
Lets all hope that at least for their sake 3012 gets through.
Leo ... yes i think we are thinking the same. It all is starting to make sense.
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