DREAMERS - Deferred Action Process for Young People Who Are Low Enforcement Priority

[ontheedge]

immitime - yes they may be fence jumpers. So is it their fault that they are not bringing in smallpox or chickenpox infested blankets with them? Or not bringing guns with them? That's how the Native population was conquered 300 years back in North and Southern America (probably a couple of centuries earlier).

People are people and will seek better life. Its everybody's right to pursue good life. The national boundaries is becoming an artificial concept. Why do we get sucked into the debate of legal or illegal?

Besides those who are opposed to "illegal" immigration are the same people who are opposed to legal immigration as well. If all immigrants don't stand together - it becomes all the more difficult for all of them. Check out this poem written during holocaust in Germany. http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...rtin-Niemoller

Well said, Q. I am not opposed to any immigrant group getting help; legal, illegal, undocumented...whatever moniker we want to attach to the groups.

However, clearly political moves like these will be met with cynicism. Also, was any thought given to the potential processing load that an already malfunctioning agency may get as a result? Probably not. To kd's point, after the intial euphoria subsides, DREAMERs will have to make a tough decision whether to come forward ot not. This order can be overturned by a new Republican president.

[soggadu]

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We don't have to agree on everything. Just wanted to put my perspective across. And it was worth it given we got to see Soggadu's dancing Avatar after a loooong time!! Hope you are doing great Soggadu!

I am good Q... We had a baby boy recently so sleepy days chal rahe hein... but i still visit this forum atleast once a day...kya karien control nahi hota!!!!

[qesehmk]

Many many congtratulations Soggadu!! How did I miss the news!! Anyway ... enjoy changing diapers. Costco ones are the cheapest and best quality... (3 saal poorana experience hain... galat ho to maaf karana )

I am good Q... We had a baby boy recently so sleepy days chal rahe hein... but i still visit this forum atleast once a day...kya karien control nahi hota!!!!

[tatikonda]

He is hoping something more...

Rumor is that there will be more announcements on other immigration subject very shortly.

https://twitter.com/ImmInfo1/status/213648748113432576

I am not expecting anything for EB community.. DREAMERs plan in already big and not expecting anything more ..

Just for Fun .. What do guys predict, if anything for EB Community.

1) no country quota
2) no waiting for dates to be current, can file 1-485 as soon as I-140 approved.
3) EAD for H4 candidates
4) No Inclusion of dependents for visa numbers.
5) recapture of old unused visa number ..

Pick any one ..

Thank you

[soggadu]

Many many congtratulations Soggadu!! How did I miss the news!! Anyway ... enjoy changing diapers. Costco ones are the cheapest and best quality... (3 saal poorana experience hain... galat ho to maaf karana )

thank you Q... lol.... for now we are sensitively pampering him with pampers...

[soggadu]

I am not expecting anything for EB community.. DREAMERs plan in already big and not expecting anything more ..

Just for Fun .. What do guys predict, if anything for EB Community.

1) no country quota
2) no waiting for dates to be current, can file 1-485 as soon as I-140 approved.
3) EAD for H4 candidates
4) No Inclusion of dependents for visa numbers.
5) recapture of old unused visa number ..

Pick any one ..

Thank you

konda garu... get up from your dreams!!!!

lol... I would like to see 1 and 3 becoming a reality very soon... but below is my list along with yours... for fun...

6) have happy hour rates for drinks on all visa bulletin release dates ( works both ways ;-) )

[Mavrick]

I strong believe that what Obama has done today for DREAMERs will trigger something good for skilled immigration community. This is a election year and anything is possible.

I am not expecting anything for EB community.. DREAMERs plan in already big and not expecting anything more ..

Just for Fun .. What do guys predict, if anything for EB Community.

1) no country quota
2) no waiting for dates to be current, can file 1-485 as soon as I-140 approved.
3) EAD for H4 candidates
4) No Inclusion of dependents for visa numbers.
5) recapture of old unused visa number ..

Pick any one ..

Thank you

[Mavrick]

Q,

I have to disagree on this issue - Amazon diapers are the cheapest and best.

P.S: I think moderators going to have hard time shelving this posts at right place

Many many congtratulations Soggadu!! How did I miss the news!! Anyway ... enjoy changing diapers. Costco ones are the cheapest and best quality... (3 saal poorana experience hain... galat ho to maaf karana )

[TorreyPines]

I am not expecting anything for EB community.. DREAMERs plan in already big and not expecting anything more ..

Just for Fun .. What do guys predict, if anything for EB Community.

1) no country quota
2) no waiting for dates to be current, can file 1-485 as soon as I-140 approved.
3) EAD for H4 candidates
4) No Inclusion of dependents for visa numbers.
5) recapture of old unused visa number ..

Pick any one ..

Thank you

In his State of Union speech, he did mention about young illegal immigrants and something should be done favorable for such people. So, there was something in pipeline.

Obama till date did not sound favorable to EB immigrants except for retaining incoming STEM degree students/folks (State of Union speech). He didn't mention anything directly about people "already" in the queue. So, I wouldn't expect anything from him but be very happy to be wrong. I/C is noise for him in regards to numbers.

On the other front, this new policy makes Grassley look like a dumb idiot. It's a slap on his face. If his aging brain remembers any of this "hold/anti-H1B" stuff, he will be under sever pressure to reconsider his position very soon just because, on immigration front, scoreboard says DEMS +1 , REPS 0.

Obama, well played. Extremely carefully scripted policy. Still anti- EB immigration till date.

[Mavrick]

Torreypines,

Retaining STEM degree folks indirectly implies clearing legal immigration queue because all of the STEM graduates are part of legal immigration queue.

I strongly agree that what Obama has done today is slap on Grassley's face. I bet Grassley and other republicans will create lot of noise about this move in coming days but Obama got all of Hispanic votes in his pocket already.

In his State of Union speech, he did mention about young illegal immigrants and something should be done favorable for such people. So, there was something in pipeline.

Obama till date did not sound favorable to legal immigrants except for retaining incoming STEM degree students/folks (State of Union speech). He didn't mention anything directly about people "already" in the queue. So, I wouldn't expect anything from him but be very happy to be wrong. I/C is noise for him in regards to numbers.

On the other front, this new policy makes Grassley look like a dumb idiot. It's a slap on his face. If his aging brain remembers any of this "hold/anti-H1B" stuff, he will be under sever pressure to reconsider his position very soon just because, on immigration front, scoreboard says DEMS +1 , REPS 0.

Obama, well played. Extremely carefully scripted policy. Still anti- legal immigration till date.

[bvsamrat]

Yes . On the dot. We do not have to indulge comenting on what may happen with other categories other than speculating what effect it might bring on us - good or bad. Actually HB1 is for temperory workers who have minimum defined rights and even GC may not give any addtional rights unless you become citizen. Then we will start having evry right to grudge about. Til then AOS only

While it could very well be politically motivated, we on this forum don't engage in bringing down other immigrants - legal or illegal. So let's take it easy. As far as EB is concerned - this doesnt impact EB - at least not directly.

[immitime]

Many many congtratulations Soggadu!! How did I miss the news!! Anyway ... enjoy changing diapers. Costco ones are the cheapest and best quality... (3 saal poorana experience hain... galat ho to maaf karana )

Q, yes true, Congrats Soggadu! May GOD Bless your little one, with health, wealth and of course US Citizenship! pun intended!

[qesehmk]

LoL!! I remember one of my friends' wife mentioning this the other day!

Q,

I have to disagree on this issue - Amazon diapers are the cheapest and best.

P.S: I think moderators going to have hard time shelving this posts at right place

[TorreyPines]

Torreypines,

Retaining STEM degree folks indirectly implies clearing legal immigration queue because all of the STEM graduates are part of legal immigration queue.

I strongly agree that what Obama has done today is slap on Grassley's face. I bet Grassley and other republicans will create lot of noise about this move in coming days but Obama got all of Hispanic votes in his pocket already.

I agree with you to some extent. But to retain STEM graduates, he doesn't have to give them GCs.

He can start with:
A) Expand majors under STEM umbrella.
B) Stand in a existing/ special queue (EB1D?) as soon as you have STEM degree.
C) More extended CPTs/OPTs.
D) Increasing existing 20K STEM H1Bs.

These things doesn't necessarily benefit existing EB queue. May be make things worse for existing EBIC as it will benefit ROW graduates equally.

[vizcard]

Realistic impact of this law:
1. Potentially half a million unskilled or under skilled additional workers that may affect the already high unemployment. I assuming 300k are skilled workers and/or can now take legit jobs.
2. Threat of deportation for the parents still exists.
3. Obama gets Hispanic vote.
4. Work load for USCIS increases and consequently processing times. Counter-argument is that the USCIS will hire more ppl.

[srimurthy]

And the payrolls for the new staff would come from H1 and GC fees.
Lawyers are reporting higher incomes.

Realistic impact of this law:
1. Potentially half a million unskilled or under skilled additional workers that may affect the already high unemployment. I assuming 300k are skilled workers and/or can now take legit jobs.
2. Threat of deportation for the parents still exists.
3. Obama gets Hispanic vote.
4. Work load for USCIS increases and consequently processing times. Counter-argument is that the USCIS will hire more ppl.

[gs1968]

To kd2008,Q and others

This is a very clever but bold move by President Obama and is probably in response to some recent high-profile cases as below
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...form-bill?lite

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/0...to-deport.html

http://latinoedbeat.org/2012/06/13/l...m-deportation/

http://www.indystar.com/article/2012...sey=nav%7Chead

He would have liked to wait till after the election to do this but I feel that his hand was forced somewhat by the recent stories. It might help him with the Hispanic vote but I feel he would have won them anyway by a large margin. The parameters for deferred deportation have been carefully plotted and the position he has taken will resonate with most reasonable people in this country including Republicans. The people who do not like this action would not have voted for him anyway. By specifying that the beneficiaries should be present in the US at the time of enactment of this memo he has ensured that future illegal immigrants will not benefit from this. Also by stating that they should have entered as a minor under the age of 16,adult illegal immigrants are excluded. Also setting educational requirements ensures that the opposition to this is minimal. I do accept the possibility mentioned by kd2008 that the next President can rescind the EO but in practice this rarely happens. An example would be Temporary Protected Status (TPS) granted to certain countries affected by war or natural calamities (El Salvador,Haiti,Liberia etc) which continue to be renewed every 2 years by successive Presidents. A lot of the people who got TPS status entered the country illegally and continue to live here and this almost constitutes a backdoor amnesty.
As to how many people will come forward for the DREAM deferred-action memo,this is anybody's guess. However if we draw a parallel to the TPS scenario-this is invariably greater numbers than what was initially estimated

Also after the initial hue and cry all of this furor will settle down. Most Americans see this segment of the illegal population in their neighborhoods/schools and have sympathy for them. I personally feel that this EO does not go far enough and leaves them in limbo forever but it might put pressure on Congress to act on a more substantial,long-term,permanent fix (wishful thinking!!)

[murali83]

Well,

Here is my take on this issue. Strictly political here, I dont believe it affects our situation from an immigration stand point.

Some posters have pointed out that this is a brilliant political move by Obama, I disagree. I think as far as black and latino voters are concerned the lines are already drawn. He is not going to gain much on the latino front, he is already maxed out on that. 67% of latino's root for him and that number wont move forward with this announcement, because I believe the rest 33% are and will continue to be republican.

He made this move with a calculation that the remaining 33% will root for him (For those who follow Indian politics, I believe this is very much like Vajpayees's green turban in Jan 2004 which flopped miserably). What Obama in my opinion has done is alienated the remaining non black and non hispanic voters, liberal who were willing to give him another chance. If the republicans dont screw this up, they can lap up an extra 5% white vote on this platform without losing their 33% latino vote. I mean that 33% will come to them, if after all these years, they vote republican, obama's amnesty to dreamers will not change that.

As an early indication, Gallup shows 46 for romney and 45 for obama. I think if republicans play this issue in a low key way, romney can scale up 2 more points and make it 48 to 43.

[mesan123]

Congrats Soggadu Bhai...Congrats to vadina too .. so what did you name the little one??

I am good Q... We had a baby boy recently so sleepy days chal rahe hein... but i still visit this forum atleast once a day...kya karien control nahi hota!!!!

[gcq]

murali83,
Well commented. I agree !

[Eb2_Dec07]

In the latest regulations passed by president for illegal immigrant children , do we know if there are any remediable provisions for employment based .

[murali83]

The most practical lobbying the EB community can make is to remove the restrictions on ead and allow ead holders to work for any employer without this restriction on job title and function. That itself is like a practical green card.

[tatikonda]

The most practical lobbying the EB community can make is to remove the restrictions on ead and allow ead holders to work for any employer without this restriction on job title and function. That itself is like a practical green card.

I respectfully disagree with your opinion.
GC Card is future employment, for which we are following all the steps (PERM, I-140, Etc) assuming that you would work for the employer after getting GC. How can you say that even before you get your GC you have to remove restrictions ... ( FYI - you can process ur GC without working for that employer assuming that you would work for that employer in future )..

[vizcard]

In the latest regulations passed by president for illegal immigrant children , do we know if there are any remediable provisions for employment based .

I have not seen any press articles on remedial provisions for EB.

[gcq]

I respectfully disagree with your opinion.
GC Card is future employment, for which we are following all the steps (PERM, I-140, Etc) assuming that you would work for the employer after getting GC. How can you say that even before you get your GC you have to remove restrictions ... ( FYI - you can process ur GC without working for that employer assuming that you would work for that employer in future )..

The reason for removing the restrictions ? It is discriminatory. INA only restricts people from getting GC approval subject to country quota. It doesn't say people have to be treated differently based on their country of origin.

Compare a ROW applicant to an Indian applicant:
ROW and Indian are equally qualified so they are eligible to be treated identically except for visa allocation ( country cap)
ROW gets his GC in X years. After X years on getting GC, he is free to do whatever he wants ( freedom)
An Indian despite being discriminated in visa allocation( INA allows that), has to deal with AC21 requirement, EAD renewal etc.
Indian has to have a same or similar job( AC21), have to satisfy all other conditions of a pending applications even after X+Y years.