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Thread: EB2 Predictions (Rather Calculations) - 2011

  1. #6076
    Quote Originally Posted by nishant2200 View Post
    One observation: Let's consider that when we say "they are wasting visas by not doing BTM at right moment", is incorrect. The visas can always be given to EB3 ROW. They did not go waste then. EB2 I/C, we, are not center of universe to DOS/USCIS/VO/CO/WH, no one cares specifically for us. To not be disappointed, we need to understand this. This is my opinion. I think it's not the right time to say this, as today everyone, including me, is disappointed. But I did want to make this thought of mine shared.
    First of all Behes ki aankh...

    Secondly... doesnt Eb2 on the whole need to be current to provide any kind of spilover to any category of EB3?

    ..a moment of silence... it's like miandad's six off chetan all again... but i am sure we are going to bounce back...

    I feel we are going to see the train moving from oct with SFM...
    Last edited by soggadu; 08-09-2011 at 03:49 PM.

  2. #6077
    Quote Originally Posted by soggadu View Post
    First of all Behes ki aankh...

    Secondly... doesnt Eb2 on the whole need to be current to provide any kind of spilover to any category of EB3?
    Well they come to the tipping point, see only 3 months left, last quarter, they say "ooops", and make EB2 current, but still at least for that FY, most of the leftover goes to EB3 ROW. Right.

  3. #6078
    So does this mean every year it's going to advance by 1 year? That gives a simple formula :
    Year of PD + 5 years = GC year +/- 6 months

  4. #6079
    I Strongly believe it is coz of SA in EB3.. EB2IC didn't loose anything to EB3..

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    donvar,

    I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that EB3-I has received spillover. In fact it is highly unlikely, since clearly there are other EB2-IC cases that could have used the visas.

    Apart from it not conforming to the law, the extra numbers can equally have been made available by higher than anticipated porting of cases with very early PDs.

    That said, I will admit to being extremely surprised by the EB3-I movement in the last 2 months.
    Last edited by evoori; 08-09-2011 at 03:54 PM.

  5. #6080
    Quote Originally Posted by gcseeker View Post
    It is disappointing to say the least.Just wanted to cheer up folks

    1.Please be careful about your jobs and hold on to them (especially with the economic environment) untill next spillover season.
    2.Let us hope the spillover season starts early ( April 2012).
    3.Dont put much into the stock market untill it bottoms out completely.This way you reduce one stress factor.
    4.People with Post Aug 2007 PD's might be better off accepting promotions and getting back in line....Since who knows what effects will predominate next year and ultimately it might be end of 2012 or early 2013 before they get their Gc's.

    Personally I am convinced to take that risk (mine is Nov 2007 PD) and I have already wasted a lot of my opportunities waiting for the damn date to become current.
    I completely agree with 1), 2) & 3). On 4) there should be some caution getting I140 approved in the past and now may not be the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by nishant2200 View Post
    Disappointed.

    some observations:

    1. No Retrogression happened. It did not move back. So folks until 15th April 2007, should definitely be cleared out.
    2. All approvable backlog of EB1, EB2 ROW should be cleared, so not carrying forward to next FY.
    3. No comments by CO again, very frustrating.
    Great Post Nishant!

    Quote Originally Posted by qblogfan View Post
    comfort. it's so disappointing!

    I can't believe this country:

    people who have Phd/MS degrees have to wait for 5 or more years for GC.
    people who seek asylum only need to wait for 1 year for GC
    people who can win GC lottery obtain GC immediately

    this is not a fair system and they are going to the wrong direction little by little.
    Well said, while we feel for all there are human issues on all sides but the way people from retrogressed countries are suffering due to wait is unfair. Right now look at all PWMB's it will take us full 5 years to get EAD / AP. The situation for EB3 for all countries is bad in their own unique way. Pre 2007 folks are stuck with EAD / AP only with dates crawling ROW folks included, post 2007 mostly people are trying to file in EB2.
    Last edited by TeddyKoochu; 08-09-2011 at 03:54 PM.

  6. #6081
    you'd get out next month. Don't worry. We will see steady movement starting October, at least by a week or two with each VB. Good Luck.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dojoapril View Post
    Gosh...I am stuck with a PD of 4/18, are we gonna see any movement in future bulletins or are we stuck till April-May nex year...So Cruel....

  7. #6082
    agree 100%.

    Mr.CO always finds different excuses to justify what he does.

    the truth is that nobody is monitoring what he does.

    he does not give a damn to EB immigrants at all.

    While we are suffering, he is still eating/sleeping/shitting very well.

    excuse my language. that's the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by gcseeker View Post
    Nishant

    Nice observation and yes that helps digest the pain better. I always beleive CO will find any way to justify any movement...forward ,backward,stuck and spillover into any visa category.It is totally left to the whim and fancy of CO/DOS.We just have to hope for better results next spillover season.

  8. #6083
    Extremely disappointing visa bulletin with dates not moving at all for EB2IC. I am more frustrated because there is no clarity or transparency offered at all on part of the USCIS or DOS. Bulletin after bulletin, the saga of endless waiting continues.

    I am going to quote a world famous unknown personality who said on some other forum:

    This whole prediction game is like predicting the number of beans in a jar - except in this case there is a whole other jar that exists but no one knows how many beans are in there. So no matter how accurate your prediction of the number of beans in the visible jar, you will always be wrong since there is a hidden jar that we don't even see.


    I rest my case. USCIS wins.
    Last edited by Jonty Rhodes; 08-09-2011 at 04:02 PM.

  9. #6084
    Quote Originally Posted by nishant2200 View Post
    One observation: Let's consider that when we say "they are wasting visas by not doing BTM at right moment", is incorrect. The visas can always be given to EB3 ROW. They did not go waste then. EB2 I/C, we, are not center of universe to DOS/USCIS/VO/CO/WH, no one cares specifically for us. To not be disappointed, we need to understand this. This is my opinion. I think it's not the right time to say this, as today everyone, including me, is disappointed. But I did want to make this thought of mine shared.
    Nishant, we can always count on you to bring a very practical perspective. Though massively disappointed, i think we need to continue to focus on what we need to do to be successful in whatever we are pursuing.

    On a lighter note - one of my colleagues has PD of 4/21/2007 and we are working on the same project. He had been preparing all the documents needed to file 485 for last couple of weeks. We were in a client meeting and all of a sudden he blurts out "What the f***", every one is looking at him quizzically as it was totally inappropriate. Only after the meeting we realized that he was checking visa bulletin during the meeting and he was reacting to visa bulletin and not to what client team was saying :-) I need to go and explain this to program manager now :-)

  10. #6085
    Quote Originally Posted by Dojoapril View Post
    Gosh...I am stuck with a PD of 4/18, are we gonna see any movement in future bulletins or are we stuck till April-May nex year...So Cruel....
    This is cruel. But you should be current any month now.

    Quote Originally Posted by gcseeker View Post
    It is disappointing to say the least.Just wanted to cheer up folks

    1.Please be careful about your jobs and hold on to them (especially with the economic environment) untill next spillover season.
    2.Let us hope the spillover season starts early ( April 2012).
    3.Dont put much into the stock market untill it bottoms out completely.This way you reduce one stress factor.
    4.People with Post Aug 2007 PD's might be better off accepting promotions and getting back in line....Since who knows what effects will predominate next year and ultimately it might be end of 2012 or early 2013 before they get their Gc's.

    Personally I am convinced to take that risk (mine is Nov 2007 PD) and I have already wasted a lot of my opportunities waiting for the damn date to become current.
    gcseeker great advice. I especially strongly recommend 3 & 4 on your list.

    Quote Originally Posted by ssvp22 View Post
    Q are you working in Charlotte downtown? If yes, lets meet sometime
    Would've liked to. I belong to the state that has the distinct honor of passing SB1070 Those from here wouldn't be a bad idea to get together for a drink. We will ask Jack Brown to send us whatever he is going to smoke tonight

    Quote Originally Posted by harick View Post
    and now........ the winner of ....... best prediction award for the month of September..........is ????????? (oh..oh... it has been cancelled due to non availability of VISA numbers)
    Harick ... thanks .. we need this tonight !!

    As per next year .... I would bet that the SOFAD next year should be similar to what we will see this year unless Kazarian situation changes.
    I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
    I do run this site only as an administrator. Our goal is to improve clarity of GC process to help people plan their lives better.
    Use the info at your risk. None of this is legal advice.

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  11. #6086
    Quote Originally Posted by qblogfan View Post
    agree 100%.

    Mr.CO always finds different excuses to justify what he does.

    the truth is that nobody is monitoring what he does.

    he does not give a damn to EB immigrants at all.

    While we are suffering, he is still eating/sleeping/shitting very well.

    excuse my language. that's the truth.
    Another example of the crap Washington DC is putting people through. CO could have easily moved the dates (BTM), taken a year to clean up the cases, and keep them ready by April.

  12. #6087
    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    Wow .... i step out for a chick-a-fill and DoS releases this!!!

    Very disappointing but Props to Nishant for pointing out correctly the silver line behind this - No EB1 EB2ROW backlog next year!

    Basically Apr 07 is SFM ... there shouldn't be retro. But in hindsight it seems they are clearing as much EB1 EB2ROW as possible. Please see 5-7 pages back I had pointed this to Teddy. But I hoped (against the data point obviously now) that it was a spurious trend. But it seems it is not.

    Honestly this throws any talk of even a BTM into quite a spin. I don't see under what pretext DoS can allow a BTM to happen. And if they wait till May 2007 then whats going to happen is they will waste visas. So a bit perplexed. Probably we will establish better clarity in the next few days.

    On the other hand EB3I movement tell you that porting is only 4K at best. The proof?

    Sep 2010 Visa bulletin date for EB2I = Jan 2002
    Sep 2011 Visa bulletin date for EB2I = Sep 2002

    The difference in visas = 5K.
    Less 2.8K allocation = 2.2K in EB2I porting
    Assume 1.8K porting for rest of world including china


    So as we have been consistently saying total porting is not more than 4K.


    touche!


    This has nothing to do with EB3 spillover. This has everything to do with EB1 andEB2ROW.


    KLPD is very apt indeed. The funny thing is ... even girls used to say that without knowing what it was!
    Q, I have bolded what you said. Your argument is incorrect. What it means is: out of the total porting numbers, 2.2K were between Jan 2002 and Sept 2002. The rest were between Sept 2002 and Apr 2007. We really don't yet know how many in total, but a rough estimation may be made by adding the decrease in demand data of EB3-I between Sept 2002 and Apr 2007 and the 2.2K.

  13. #6088
    Yes, agree.

    The reason why he is not doing BTM is that he does not care at all........

    BTM does not make any difference to his life, he is still eating/sleeping/shitting very well everyday.

    Thousands of families are on the edge because of his action, but he just does not care........

    We have been stuck to this deep hole for too long. Endless waiting is killing all these talented people. I just don't believe people can focus on work while being treated like shit by DOS/USCIS.


    Quote Originally Posted by tanu_75 View Post
    Another example of the crap Washington DC is putting people through. CO could have easily moved the dates (BTM), taken a year to clean up the cases, and keep them ready by April.

  14. #6089
    Well said. While we get into the details and intricacies in the calculations here, I feel the Visa Office/CO just think in broad strokes and decide on what is going to be the easiest for the agencies to cope with. Hence, on hindsight, the expectations for "making PD current" etc seem over the top now.
    legislative change is the only way out. While our friends who are PWMB or PDs in 2007 can wait for the VB to move one week every month for most of next fiscal year, folks like me with PDs in 2008 (we know there huge density of applications the whole of 2008) and beyond are doomed to wait at the mercy of spillovers.


    Quote Originally Posted by qblogfan View Post
    comfort. it's so disappointing!

    I can't believe this country:

    people who have Phd/MS degrees have to wait for 5 or more years for GC.
    people who seek asylum only need to wait for 1 year for GC
    people who can win GC lottery obtain GC immediately

    this is not a fair system and they are going to the wrong direction little by little.

  15. #6090
    KD the whole argument is not incorrect. But I agree that it can be made more accurate if we include post 2002 porting cases.

    We will know exact number when we see teh Oct 2011 inventory and then compare with Oct 2010.

    Quote Originally Posted by kd2008 View Post
    Q, I have bolded what you said. Your argument is incorrect. What it means is: out of the total porting numbers, 2.2K were between Jan 2002 and Sept 2002. The rest were between Sept 2002 and Apr 2007. We really don't yet know how many in total, but a rough estimation may be made by adding the decrease in demand data of EB3-I between Sept 2002 and Apr 2007 and the 2.2K.
    I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
    I do run this site only as an administrator. Our goal is to improve clarity of GC process to help people plan their lives better.
    Use the info at your risk. None of this is legal advice.

    Forum Glossary | Forum Rules and Guidelines | If your published post disappeared, check - Lies and Misinformation thread


  16. #6091
    Quote Originally Posted by qblogfan View Post
    agree 100%.

    Mr.CO always finds different excuses to justify what he does.

    the truth is that nobody is monitoring what he does.

    he does not give a damn to EB immigrants at all.

    While we are suffering, he is still eating/sleeping/shitting very well.

    excuse my language. that's the truth.
    Actually if you look at this another way CO is just the administrator his job is to ensure that the allocations are met. Unfortunately the system is so complex with too many rules that intersect each other his job is tough. At the end of the day the problem is that the numbers are way to less. We are all SOFAD dependent in 2009 it was 10K, in 2010 it was 26K now in 2011 its 30K plus, unfortunately it’s time for all of us to set realistic expectations. The dream run has raised expectations to a very high level.

  17. #6092
    I agree w Teddy. CO is trying to do his job best. His hands are tied by the laws and the numbers available.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeddyKoochu View Post
    Actually if you look at this another way CO is just the administrator his job is to ensure that the allocations are met. Unfortunately the system is so complex with too many rules that intersect each other his job is tough. At the end of the day the problem is that the numbers are way to less. We are all SOFAD dependent in 2009 it was 10K, in 2010 it was 26K now in 2011 its 30K plus, unfortunately it’s time for all of us to set realistic expectations. The dream run has raised expectations to a very high level.
    I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
    I do run this site only as an administrator. Our goal is to improve clarity of GC process to help people plan their lives better.
    Use the info at your risk. None of this is legal advice.

    Forum Glossary | Forum Rules and Guidelines | If your published post disappeared, check - Lies and Misinformation thread


  18. #6093

    Unhappy

    As every one predicted the Labor clearance caused the ROW to utilize more visas, otherwise they would spilled over to I/C. In May they did not see I-140 demand, which kicked in June/July onwards, then they stopped moving dates.

    Only hope for the year is a bill that removes country limit on EB category. Hope for the best.

  19. #6094

    Time to move on

    ok guys lets crunch some data for coming year. We might get uscis inventory pretty soon.

  20. #6095
    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    KD the whole argument is not incorrect. But I agree that it can be made more accurate if we include post 2002 porting cases.

    We will know exact number when we see teh Oct 2011 inventory and then compare with Oct 2010.
    As the inventory was updated in May with the Local office demand I think the only way would be to wait for the next one in October and then extrapolate to a year. Otherwise you can assume that EB3 I itself had atleast 2K LO demand that makes porting 6K. Let me know if Iam missing something.

  21. #6096
    Guys, what are the various data reports we are expecting in upcoming months now, that we should watch out for. So that we can start the analysis again.

  22. #6097
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    I think. to calculate EB3->EB2 porting, we also need to consider CP/district office cases that never showed up in the inventory but I am not sure, how significant is this one.

  23. #6098
    Another way to do it would be to look at EB2 actual approvals and then comparing that with Oct 2010 inventory.

    I know either approachs will have some distortion due to LO cases. But may be we can triangulate using 2 -3 different methods.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeddyKoochu View Post
    As the inventory was updated in May with the Local office demand I think the only way would be to wait for the next one in October and then extrapolate to a year. Otherwise you can assume that EB3 I itself had atleast 2K LO demand that makes porting 6K. Let me know if Iam missing something.
    I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
    I do run this site only as an administrator. Our goal is to improve clarity of GC process to help people plan their lives better.
    Use the info at your risk. None of this is legal advice.

    Forum Glossary | Forum Rules and Guidelines | If your published post disappeared, check - Lies and Misinformation thread


  24. #6099
    why not send this mail to the Prez this and he will use it in his campaign speech to gain emotional votes

    Quote Originally Posted by qblogfan View Post
    Yes, agree.

    The reason why he is not doing BTM is that he does not care at all........

    BTM does not make any difference to his life, he is still eating/sleeping/shitting very well everyday.

    Thousands of families are on the edge because of his action, but he just does not care........

    We have been stuck to this deep hole for too long. Endless waiting is killing all these talented people. I just don't believe people can focus on work while being treated like shit by DOS/USCIS.

  25. #6100
    qblogfan,

    I understand your pain, trust me it'll be 14 years tomorrow, I really understand what you are talking about.

    At the end of the day, CO, as I see is doing much better job than his predecessors. He is doing his best to not waste visa numbers, and wiggle enough room for CI categories with in his bounds.

    Like Teddy and Others mentioned, our expectations were high and the information/reasoning provided is not enough to convince either forward movement/no-movement.

    Hang in there mate, I really wish you well. If you see the difference between yesterday-today-tomorrow is just our 'expectations'.

    Best!



    Quote Originally Posted by qblogfan View Post
    Yes, agree.

    The reason why he is not doing BTM is that he does not care at all........

    BTM does not make any difference to his life, he is still eating/sleeping/shitting very well everyday.

    Thousands of families are on the edge because of his action, but he just does not care........

    We have been stuck to this deep hole for too long. Endless waiting is killing all these talented people. I just don't believe people can focus on work while being treated like shit by DOS/USCIS.

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