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  1. #6826
    Yes, all the Chinese news, media and social websites in North America are promoting this link. Many of my country fellows have signed this petition today.

    I think more will sign in the next few days. The message takes some days to reach everyone. I expect another 5k-10k signatures soon.

    All the Chinese legal immigrants are motivated now and our voice will be loud enough to get recapture of lost visas.

    Thanks for editing and signing this petition.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackbrown_890 View Post
    Thanks guys for signing the petition. Wow there was a huge jump in number of people signing the petition today (over 1000)




    Q/veni/spector/sugodu---all, please go thru the petition and give me suggestions to modify few of the facts and figures. Because i think some of the stuff is old in this petition (may not be right today). And you guys have better idea about the facts and figures. or if you have any other suggestions to modify and better d petition.

    Thanks

  2. #6827

    Thumbs up Signed and also sent printed letters

    Just signed the petition, added some more of my own text, and also sent 3 printed letters ($3 a piece thanks to rallycongress.com).

    I REALLY think more people need to sign this and spend $3-12 to send printed copies. Our biggest weakness is that we are too divided and don't get down to DOING what needs to be done to bring about our change.

    You are here because you love this country. Now, go SHOW it by taking 5 minutes and 9 dollars out of your life. Forget about who else is or is not doing it. YOU - do your part.

    Btw... just signed up on this forum. You guys are doing a great job.

    Quote Originally Posted by qblogfan View Post
    We are signing a petition to the congress. I don't know whether you are aware of it.

    http://www.petition2congress.com/477...skilled-legal-

    Let's push the visa recapture! All of us will get freedom soon if they can capture lost visas.

  3. #6828
    Are we seriously thinking that an online petition will make lawmakers (who are driven by real lobbying and advocacy)to introduce a bill? Have we even spoken to a republican or democratic lawmaker and strategized what is the scope and chance in the current political climate for the provisions listed above? What is the legislative strategy behind this? Or do we just expect to get a mass of online, unverified signatures and shoot this into the dark hoping someone (maybe the same lawmakers who have no interest in high-skilled legislation) will figure out the way. I have met my local republican congressman and have been clearly told there is no way a republican held house will approve of anything that is remotely tied to increase EB numbers. The key is to get a congressman to sponsor a bill..tht is the real goal. Any effort is good, but it should be an educated and well-guided one. I sincerely hope the people who started this (or the people who support it expecting that to be their way of contributing to "advocacy") have a true strategy

  4. #6829
    polarbear, its better to do something than nothing. Also it is better to sign something you can see read and smell than donating to somebody who is not accountable to anybody and who don't give an account of how YOUR money is spent.

    So while what you say is right - the question is - Are you only going to be an armchair pundit and say this or are you going to take lead and do it? And its perfectly fine if the answer is NO - most of us are like that. That's why; if somebody else has taken some lead in doing something ... we might as well support it.

    Quote Originally Posted by polarbear View Post
    Are we seriously thinking that an online petition will make lawmakers (who are driven by real lobbying and advocacy)to introduce a bill? Have we even spoken to a republican or democratic lawmaker and strategized what is the scope and chance in the current political climate for the provisions listed above? What is the legislative strategy behind this? Or do we just expect to get a mass of online, unverified signatures and shoot this into the dark hoping someone (maybe the same lawmakers who have no interest in high-skilled legislation) will figure out the way. I have met my local republican congressman and have been clearly told there is no way a republican held house will approve of anything that is remotely tied to increase EB numbers. The key is to get a congressman to sponsor a bill..tht is the real goal. Any effort is good, but it should be an educated and well-guided one. I sincerely hope the people who started this (or the people who support it expecting that to be their way of contributing to "advocacy") have a true strategy
    I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
    I do run this site only as an administrator. Our goal is to improve clarity of GC process to help people plan their lives better.
    Use the info at your risk. None of this is legal advice.

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  5. #6830

    Question Explain me the numbers, please!!

    Can someone explain to me what this document means?
    On page 2: the difference between Jan 1, 2008 and Jan 1, 2011 for EB2 China is 50 (3250-3200) and India is 125 (4925-4800).

    I am sure there were more than 50 and 125 EB2 applications in those three years from China and India, respectively.

    What am I missing???

    Link to the PDF: http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/Empl...utOffDates.pdf
    Original link grabbed from: http://travel.state.gov/visa/statist...tats_4581.html

    Thank you!

  6. #6831
    When are we expecting Visa Bulletin this month, will it be tomorrow or its going to be next week. qesehmk any intresting news?

  7. #6832
    yes, I agree.

    I think we are doing something constructive. We all need to show support to improve the condition for our EB immigrants.

    If we can't take the lead, we need to support this kind of constructive activities.

    Even if there is a 1% success rate, we should fight for our EB community.

    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    polarbear, its better to do something than nothing. Also it is better to sign something you can see read and smell than donating to somebody who is not accountable to anybody and who don't give an account of how YOUR money is spent.

    So while what you say is right - the question is - Are you only going to be an armchair pundit and say this or are you going to take lead and do it? And its perfectly fine if the answer is NO - most of us are like that. That's why; if somebody else has taken some lead in doing something ... we might as well support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manubhai View Post
    Can someone explain to me what this document means?
    On page 2: the difference between Jan 1, 2008 and Jan 1, 2011 for EB2 China is 50 (3250-3200) and India is 125 (4925-4800).

    I am sure there were more than 50 and 125 EB2 applications in those three years from China and India, respectively.

    What am I missing???

    Link to the PDF: http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/Empl...utOffDates.pdf
    Original link grabbed from: http://travel.state.gov/visa/statist...tats_4581.html

    Thank you!
    manubhai,

    The DOS Demand Data Report only shows "documentarily qualified immigrant visa applicants".

    For AOS, that would be pre-adjudicated cases and for Consular Processed cases, those applicants that have returned Packet 3 to the NVC.

    Arguably, there should be zero cases beyond 2007 because Chinese and Indian EB2 applicants have never had a chance to submit their application beyond July/August 2007.

    Possibly NVC have processed a few CP cases to the point of being "documentarily qualified", or the numbers are just an error.

    While there are 10's of thousands of EB2-IC cases beyond the current backlog, none have had the opportunity to apply for AOS and virtually no processing will have occurred on CP cases. None of those cases will be shown in the Demand Data.

    In the text it says that:
    Notes:
    - All totals are approximate values

    The imposition of cut-off dates for some categories/countries has limited the amount of applicants who have been able to file for adjustment of status with USCIS and such applicants would not be included in the above totals. In addition, new applicants are constantly becoming eligible for processing in categories for which cutoff dates do not apply or are "upgrading" their petition to a new category. Therefore, the above totals should not be interpreted to reflect the total universe of applicant demand. These totals only represent the amount of demand which was taken into consideration during the determination of the monthly cut-off dates.
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  9. #6834
    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    polarbear, its better to do something than nothing. Also it is better to sign something you can see read and smell than donating to somebody who is not accountable to anybody and who don't give an account of how YOUR money is spent.

    So while what you say is right - the question is - Are you only going to be an armchair pundit and say this or are you going to take lead and do it? And its perfectly fine if the answer is NO - most of us are like that. That's why; if somebody else has taken some lead in doing something ... we might as well support it.
    very well said... my vote is in...

  10. #6835
    Polar bhai i didnt' mean to disrespect you. Sorry if I come across rude. I understood your point about advocacy.

    Soggadu, keep showing up your Avatar at least once a day. We need it
    I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
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  11. #6836
    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    Jack
    Great job!! Here is my editing of the letter. Spec and others please improve it further so that Jack may incorporate some of those suggestions in his petition.
    Sent this with postal mail option. Thank you for the updated text.

  12. #6837
    Edited...


    Thanks Q



    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    Jack
    Great job!! Here is my editing of the letter. Spec and others please improve it further so that Jack may incorporate some of those suggestions in his petition.

  13. #6838
    I am glad our Chinese brothers are all over this petition for last 2 days. and the timing of signing this petition could not be better thn this since congress starts new session this week and president & congress members get these many emails/letters on this issue.
    Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by qblogfan View Post
    Yes, all the Chinese news, media and social websites in North America are promoting this link. Many of my country fellows have signed this petition today.

    I think more will sign in the next few days. The message takes some days to reach everyone. I expect another 5k-10k signatures soon.

    All the Chinese legal immigrants are motivated now and our voice will be loud enough to get recapture of lost visas.

    Thanks for editing and signing this petition.

  14. #6839
    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    polarbear, its better to do something than nothing. Also it is better to sign something you can see read and smell than donating to somebody who is not accountable to anybody and who don't give an account of how YOUR money is spent.

    So while what you say is right - the question is - Are you only going to be an armchair pundit and say this or are you going to take lead and do it? And its perfectly fine if the answer is NO - most of us are like that. That's why; if somebody else has taken some lead in doing something ... we might as well support it.
    Well said Q.
    I understand that by one person signing this petition, congress in not gonna come to your door with a greencard. But there is a possibility that 3000 emails to president, this petition now has more chances of getting some attention.
    Probability of winning POWERBALL jackpot in 1 in 195,249,054. But the person playing powerball has way more chances of winning than person not playing powerball.
    Point is- as Q said. Doing something (supporting this petition) is way better than not doing anything at all.

  15. #6840
    Sure, we should work together and push for a change. We have been stuck in the same job for many years and doing something is better than nothing.

    600 more signatures happened in 2 hours and now the total number is over 8000.

    I am posting the link to more Chinese websites and I hope more people will come forward to sign and mail. I expect it to reach 10000 tomorrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackbrown_890 View Post
    I am glad our Chinese brothers are all over this petition for last 2 days. and the timing of signing this petition could not be better thn this since congress starts new session this week and president & congress members get these many emails/letters on this issue.
    Thanks

  16. #6841
    put the link back into IV again

  17. #6842
    Quote Originally Posted by valuablehurdle View Post
    Done!!
    I think we should intrduce this thread to the immigrationvoice website too.
    I just tried doing that but the suckers at immigrationvoice have banned the word "petition2congress" So there is no way you can post the correct link. So, I just asked users to search "Retain High-skilled Legal Immigrants in USA" in google.

    I don't understand why they wanna do that.

    cbpds,

    Your link does not work. Just to let you know.
    Last edited by imechanix; 09-08-2011 at 05:34 PM.

  18. #6843
    but my post is just below urs and still visible though

  19. #6844
    Quote Originally Posted by cbpds1 View Post
    but my post is just below urs and still visible though
    But look carefully at your link. They have removed the word "petition2congress" word. So, if you click your link it does not take you anywhere.

  20. #6845
    fixed the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by imechanix View Post
    But look carefully at your link. They have removed the word "petition2congress" word. So, if you click your link it does not take you anywhere.

  21. #6846
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    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    Jack
    Great job!! Here is my editing of the letter. Spec and others please improve it further so that Jack may incorporate some of those suggestions in his petition.
    Thanks Q!

    Signed up and Sent 'PRINTED LETTERS' - $12 ($3 each for President/2 senators/1 representative) is definately worth and the least one could do on this regard.

    This may or may not produce any results but I would be very content that I did something towards achieving my freedom (Green Card).



    For some reason, your version has supressed lot of spaces between words. I have updated your version for that and made cosmetic changes.

    ********************

    Dear Mr.President and Members of Congress,

    We are legal immigrants living in U. S. A for many years, we are paying taxes and helping the economy grow. We would like to be part of the future growth of this country. But today we are held back because of unnatural and unreasonable processing delays in the legal immigration system. We feel we have been ignored for years by the congress and a president along with the general public and media. This country has its foundation based on the immigrants from all around the world, and the immigrants have helped keep foundation strong for decades. Unfortunately,this legal immigrant community is struggling to stay in this country. We suggest following steps to ease their pain as well as help the US economy by infusion of this skilled workforce that is ready to buy new houses and other capital assets which they defer to buy because of lack of certainty.

    1) Remove the artificial cap on EB visas.
    An artificial cap of 140,000 EB visas exists today. If an employer proves it that a certain skill is lacking in US economy and accordingly hires foreign person then it doesn’t make sense to subject that skill to an artificial quota.This skill hurts the employers ability to leverage the employee in a better way as the employee gains even more expertise, AND it hurts the employee by having them wait for upto 10-15 years and thus subjecting them to possible abuse bythe employer. We demand that this limit itself be removed in the interest of the employers and immigrants which will certainly provide a boost to theeconomy.

    2) Remove the per country limits
    Per country quotas of 7% exists today. It exacerbates the situation to applicantsfrom high-demand countries like India, China, Mexico and Philippines. Approximately just 10,000 visa numbers are available to India whereas it'sestimated that at least 44% of the applicants may be from India (based on USCIS statistics of around 44% of H1bs being granted to India every year). As spouse and children are counted, considering 4 members per family, on an average only2500 Indian applicants get Green cards in a year. As you can see the numbers are dismal. Meaning, if you are from India, China, Mexico or Philippines, you may have to wait 10 to 12 years or more to get your Green Card.

    3) Remove Counting of Family Members towards EB visa Cap.
    Today Family members (i.e. dependents of the primary EB applicant) are counted towards the EB cap. It makes the already paltry and artificial EB cap even smaller allowing approximately only 60K true skilled workers to enter the workforce every year.

    4) Capture Wasted Visas from Prior Years
    In the last 17 years 218.000 visas have been wasted because of processing delays between USCIS and DOS. If those visas were captured and used, the entireEB backlog today can be removed thus reducing a significant pain for employers and immigrants.

    We acknowledge that you are aware of the problems but there has not been any action taken from the congress or President to help us. Above are few suggestions from us, and we request you consider directing congress to act on them as soon as possible so that we can contribute even better to the growth and prosperity of this country.

    Thank you

    *******************

  22. #6847
    Thanks SK. I did a sloppy job to be honest! Thanks for fixing it. Jack ... if you can still update ... take SK's version.
    Quote Originally Posted by skpanda View Post
    Thanks Q!

    Signed up and Sent 'PRINTED LETTERS' - $12 ($3 each for President/2 senators/1 representative) is definately worth and the least one could do on this regard.

    This may or may not produce any results but I would be very content that I did something towards achieving my freedom (Green Card).



    For some reason, your version has supressed lot of spaces between words. I have updated your version for that and made cosmetic changes.

    ********************

    Dear Mr.President and Members of Congress,

    We are legal immigrants living in U. S. A for many years, we are paying taxes and helping the economy grow. We would like to be part of the future growth of this country. But today we are held back because of unnatural and unreasonable processing delays in the legal immigration system. We feel we have been ignored for years by the congress and a president along with the general public and media. This country has its foundation based on the immigrants from all around the world, and the immigrants have helped keep foundation strong for decades. Unfortunately,this legal immigrant community is struggling to stay in this country. We suggest following steps to ease their pain as well as help the US economy by infusion of this skilled workforce that is ready to buy new houses and other capital assets which they defer to buy because of lack of certainty.

    1) Remove the artificial cap on EB visas.
    An artificial cap of 140,000 EB visas exists today. If an employer proves it that a certain skill is lacking in US economy and accordingly hires foreign person then it doesn’t make sense to subject that skill to an artificial quota.This skill hurts the employers ability to leverage the employee in a better way as the employee gains even more expertise, AND it hurts the employee by having them wait for upto 10-15 years and thus subjecting them to possible abuse bythe employer. We demand that this limit itself be removed in the interest of the employers and immigrants which will certainly provide a boost to theeconomy.

    2) Remove the per country limits
    Per country quotas of 7% exists today. It exacerbates the situation to applicantsfrom high-demand countries like India, China, Mexico and Philippines. Approximately just 10,000 visa numbers are available to India whereas it'sestimated that at least 44% of the applicants may be from India (based on USCIS statistics of around 44% of H1bs being granted to India every year). As spouse and children are counted, considering 4 members per family, on an average only2500 Indian applicants get Green cards in a year. As you can see the numbers are dismal. Meaning, if you are from India, China, Mexico or Philippines, you may have to wait 10 to 12 years or more to get your Green Card.

    3) Remove Counting of Family Members towards EB visa Cap.
    Today Family members (i.e. dependents of the primary EB applicant) are counted towards the EB cap. It makes the already paltry and artificial EB cap even smaller allowing approximately only 60K true skilled workers to enter the workforce every year.

    4) Capture Wasted Visas from Prior Years
    In the last 17 years 218.000 visas have been wasted because of processing delays between USCIS and DOS. If those visas were captured and used, the entireEB backlog today can be removed thus reducing a significant pain for employers and immigrants.

    We acknowledge that you are aware of the problems but there has not been any action taken from the congress or President to help us. Above are few suggestions from us, and we request you consider directing congress to act on them as soon as possible so that we can contribute even better to the growth and prosperity of this country.

    Thank you

    *******************
    I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
    I do run this site only as an administrator. Our goal is to improve clarity of GC process to help people plan their lives better.
    Use the info at your risk. None of this is legal advice.

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  23. #6848
    Sent emails and printed 3 letters and sent to Capitol Hill

    Spending $9-12 is not going to hurt anyone financially.

    I believe everyone who is stuck in this GC mess should sign it and send the letters.
    Category: EB2 India
    EB2 Priority Date: 05/20/2011
    Processing Center: NSC
    EB2-EB3 Downgrade: 10/28/2020
    Receipt Notice: 01/18/2021
    Biometrics: 04/08/2021
    EB3 I-140 Approval (PP): 5/14/2021
    EAD/AP Expedite Request: 7/24/2021
    EAD/AP Approval: 8/25/2021
    EAD/AP in hands: 9/2/2021
    I-693 RFE Issued: 8/3/2021
    I-693 RFE Response: 8/18/2021
    New card production: 9/1/2021
    I-485 Approval: 9/3/2021
    Green card mailed: 9/3/2021
    Green card in hands: 9/10/2021

  24. #6849
    Jackbrown

    Nice intiative.Just finished signing the petition.I also forwaded an message copy to Rep (R) Darryl Issa of the 49th district in CA. Darryl Issa was the republican senator who tried to introduce an bill in the house to abolish the diversity lottery and allot those 50K visas to high tech workers. He might be sympathetic to the cause.Practically speaking things will only start moving if somebody sponsors an bill ,might help to get some sympathetic ears on our side.

    If anybody else is interested this is his contact information.

    http://issa.house.gov/index.php?opti...=597&Itemid=73

    Also it would be good if this study link can be included in the text which shows 5 American jobs are created for every H1-B hired in this country.This was stated by the NASDAQ chief(Robert Griefield) in a senate hearing couple of months ago. This might provide some motivation for the politicians to spin this as good for the economy if more high tech guys are allowed to get green cards.


    This is the actual text of the testimony from the senate.gov site.

    http://judiciary.senate.gov/pdf/11-7...0Testimony.pdf

    Page 2 of the text
    "For example, the National Federation for American Policy says that for every H-1B worker requested, U.S. technology companies increase their employment by five
    workers
    ."

    Page 3

    "I hear from CEOs that the H-1B visa system is inadequate for today’s human capital marketplace and that the back log for green cards is a legitimate threat to their business’s ability to get the right talent. I hear that many great thinkers are not staying here or can’t stay here to pursue their life’s work. I hear that we have these wonderful factories - our colleges and universities - that produce brilliance, and we are depriving our own nation the fruits of this production"
    Last edited by gcseeker; 09-08-2011 at 07:52 PM.

  25. #6850

    Signed!!

    qblogfan,

    Thanks for raising us from our slumber. It's time to stand up and be counted (pun intended). I now agree that it's better to do something about this mess than keep waiting for things to happen.

    I work in NYC, so sometimes i spend almost 9 dollars for lunch. I figured that if I cannot go on hunger strike like Anna Hazare, I can atleast give up my lunch money to sign this petition and send signed letters to the representatives.

    I humbly request everyone on this board (EB2, EB3 et all) to sign this petition and make sure that you send physical letters using this site. In my opinion, a large volume of physical letters will have more impact than us just selecting the "Send email" option which may just end up in the spam folder.



    Quote Originally Posted by qblogfan View Post
    We are signing a petition to the congress. I don't know whether you are aware of it.

    http://www.petition2congress.com/477...skilled-legal-

    Let's push the visa recapture! All of us will get freedom soon if they can capture lost visas.

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