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  1. #6701
    Quote Originally Posted by ssvp22 View Post
    Take it easy folks. Either way, the discussion is not going to make the dates move earlier or later. They are what they are.
    arey uncle... lets appreciate for what they are able to do and doing... they are really keeping the forum going in this dull weather... jai ho ...Fab 5...

  2. #6702
    soggadu ... just now my 2 yr old saw your Avatar and she burst into laughter!! Love that about you.

    Spec bhai is the greatest analyst I have seen. But sometimes I have to make extra effort ... but no worries ... we are good.

    As per GC ... just now me and spouse were discussing ... that GC indeed is a great peace of mind. Anybody who says life hasn't changed materially may not necessarily be lying but has definitely lost perspective of how it was before GC. So hang in ... and your turn will come


    Quote Originally Posted by soggadu View Post
    Get registered with hp.com... they are sending in emails wheh they get these in stock...

    Nishant...

    You got really involved dude...now i can say fab five instead of 4... i am happy for your contributions... keep it going....

    Hey Q... How is ur card... r u going to post it here or not ;-) ...
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    Q and I are good.

    We are both passionate and sometimes disagree on some of the subtleties.

    It never lasts - venting clears the air and neither of us hold any grudges. I respect Q and what he has to say too much for that.

    Disagreement sometimes leads to the greatest understanding.

    Movement one way or another is an evolutionary process - it doesn't happen immediately, which is a good thing.
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  4. #6704
    Quote Originally Posted by soggadu View Post
    arey uncle...
    That's a first for me

  5. #6705
    If they can do spill over quarter by quarter, it will be a win win situation.

    In the first two quarters, they only used 35%-40% of annual quota.

    If we can push them to start spillover from the 1st quarter, the waiting will be less painful for all the applicants.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanmani View Post
    Ignore if this information is already posted.

    3rd quarter USCIS performance data is published

    http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...00082ca60aRCRD

  6. #6706
    CO kind of did it in Q3 this year, and almost sarcastically USCIS got back at him in the end with exact amount as overdue. 12k. IMHO he won't do quarterly.

    Secondly, due to 140 surge, quarterly might not gain us much in next FY.

    But u never know, by law they can, and will definitely help manage the chaos better n make wait bearable for some.

    Quote Originally Posted by qblogfan View Post
    If they can do spill over quarter by quarter, it will be a win win situation.

    In the first two quarters, they only used 35%-40% of annual quota.

    If we can push them to start spillover from the 1st quarter, the waiting will be less painful for all the applicants.
    Last edited by nishant2200; 08-31-2011 at 10:02 AM.

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    One Q guys, why can't we apply for a EAD lets say after a period of I-140 approval? Instead of waiting till the dates become current. My understanding is atleast this would easy the pain. Because once the dates are current usually the EAD and the Card allotment gets completed with in a year timeframe other than the 2007 scenario where they opened the floodgates. I was trying to understand whats is stopping this since a PERM and I-140 approval means the job is there and all related items are cleared. Only thing that needs verification is the background checks and visa availability before GC is allocated, so whats stopping USCIS to allow people to change to EAD?

  8. #6708
    I feel th same...gurus can answer better....why cant USCIS let us file 485 . They can issue us the GC when our date becomes current....Atleast with this way people can get EAD and can work on that....and have no hassles of H1b...

    Which law is stopping them from doing so???

    Quote Originally Posted by srimurthy View Post
    One Q guys, why can't we apply for a EAD lets say after a period of I-140 approval? Instead of waiting till the dates become current. My understanding is atleast this would easy the pain. Because once the dates are current usually the EAD and the Card allotment gets completed with in a year timeframe other than the 2007 scenario where they opened the floodgates. I was trying to understand whats is stopping this since a PERM and I-140 approval means the job is there and all related items are cleared. Only thing that needs verification is the background checks and visa availability before GC is allocated, so whats stopping USCIS to allow people to change to EAD?

  9. #6709
    Quote Originally Posted by mesan123 View Post
    I feel th same...gurus can answer better....why cant USCIS let us file 485 . They can issue us the GC when our date becomes current....Atleast with this way people can get EAD and can work on that....and have no hassles of H1b...

    Which law is stopping them from doing so???
    If wishes were horses, we would ride them to heaven..
    That's what we have been banging our heads over for so long.
    What they can do is make the dates current for a while and retrogress so as to capture the incoming inventory.That scenario though improbable can occur once the dates move past Aug 07.

  10. #6710
    Quote Originally Posted by nishant2200 View Post
    CO kind of did it in Q3 this year, and almost sarcastically USCIS got back at him in the end with exact amount as overdue. 12k. IMHO he won't do quarterly.

    Secondly, due to 140 surge, quarterly might not gain us much in next FY.

    But u never know, by law they can, and will definitely help manage the chaos better n make wait bearable for some.
    I doubt it Nishant. Initially I thought their objective was to help ROW. But now I think it is to keep EB-IC numbers utilization as low as possible.
    On another note - CO actually did a favor to USCIS by keeping enough numbers available. He would be very well within his authority to deny any numbers since he hadn't seen that demand materialize.

    Quote Originally Posted by srimurthy View Post
    One Q guys, why can't we apply for a EAD lets say after a period of I-140 approval? Instead of waiting till the dates become current. My understanding is atleast this would easy the pain. Because once the dates are current usually the EAD and the Card allotment gets completed with in a year timeframe other than the 2007 scenario where they opened the floodgates. I was trying to understand whats is stopping this since a PERM and I-140 approval means the job is there and all related items are cleared. Only thing that needs verification is the background checks and visa availability before GC is allocated, so whats stopping USCIS to allow people to change to EAD?
    They are actively working on it. Some legal wiseguy can point us to a proposed bill that contains this provision.

    [QUOTE=mesan123;8026]I feel th same...gurus can answer better....why cant USCIS let us file 485 . They can issue us the GC when our date becomes current....Atleast with this way people can get EAD and can work on that....and have no hassles of H1b...

    Which law is stopping them from doing so???[/QUOTE
    Again it is being proposed that people with 140 can obtain an EAD without havign to wait for 485.
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  11. #6711
    I agree with this point of view also. Good angle. Makes a lot of sense. Seems like CO is really conservative and wants to be fair as much as possible, to all he can.

    bieber said long back, which I keep remembering. If instead of huge movements early on, they had moved just 2 months slowly, we would have still ended up on 15-april-2007 and would not have been as disappointed!

    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    I doubt it Nishant. Initially I thought their objective was to help ROW. But now I think it is to keep EB-IC numbers utilization as low as possible.
    On another note - CO actually did a favor to USCIS by keeping enough numbers available. He would be very well within his authority to deny any numbers since he hadn't seen that demand materialize.

  12. #6712
    Oct 2010 - June 2011 Total I-485 approvals = 82112

    Balance left for 4th qtr = 57888

    In July we got news from mittbs that 119K has already elapsed and only 21 K left for aug & Sep .

    Contradiction or possible ?

  13. #6713
    MITBBS data includes CP data and also July approvals/assigned numbers.

    USCIS Q1-Q3 ends June.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanmani View Post
    Oct 2010 - June 2011 Total I-485 approvals = 82112

    Balance left for 4th qtr = 57888

    In July we got news from mittbs that 119K has already elapsed and only 21 K left for aug & Sep .

    Contradiction or possible ?

  14. #6714
    I always looked at the MITBBS numbers are 485+CP actual and projected allocation through Aug 2011.

    Then it makes all sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanmani View Post
    Oct 2010 - June 2011 Total I-485 approvals = 82112

    Balance left for 4th qtr = 57888

    In July we got news from mittbs that 119K has already elapsed and only 21 K left for aug & Sep .

    Contradiction or possible ?
    I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
    I do run this site only as an administrator. Our goal is to improve clarity of GC process to help people plan their lives better.
    Use the info at your risk. None of this is legal advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veni001 View Post
    qblogfan,
    Remember USCIS numbers represent only AOS (485), we have to add CP to ~82K.

    FY2010 CP(EB1-5) = ~12.5K, If we take same CP number for this year means only ~45k is available to USCIS for Q4.

    Assuming EB2IC will be using 15 -18K in Q4, leaves about 27-30k for the rest (EB1,EB2ROW, EB3All, EB4 and EB5).
    Quote Originally Posted by veni001 View Post
    qblogfan,

    Not only that let's look at 140 data

    FY2011:I140 Data

    Q1-Q2:
    Completions = 35,331
    Approvals = 30,820
    Denials = 4,511 (12.77%)

    Q3:
    Completions = 26,838
    Approvals = 24,757
    Denials = 2,081 (7.75%)

    Q1-Q3:
    Completions = 62,169
    Approvals = 55,577
    Denials = 6,592 (10.60%)

    Looking at Q3 - 140 approvals are almost doubled and the denial ratio dropped significantly, means more EB2ROW-M-P(485) into the pipeline for Q4.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kanmani View Post
    Oct 2010 - June 2011 Total I-485 approvals = 82112

    Balance left for 4th qtr = 57888

    In July we got news from mittbs that 119K has already elapsed and only 21 K left for aug & Sep .

    Contradiction or possible ?
    Kanmani,
    Please see my response to qblogfan on this data above.
    Not a Legal advice/opinion, please check with good immigration attorney.

  16. #6716
    the new fiscal year starts in a few days...all the very best to everyone...may everyone in the line get GC asap....

  17. #6717
    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    soggadu ... just now my 2 yr old saw your Avatar and she burst into laughter!! Love that about you.

    Spec bhai is the greatest analyst I have seen. But sometimes I have to make extra effort ... but no worries ... we are good.

    As per GC ... just now me and spouse were discussing ... that GC indeed is a great peace of mind. Anybody who says life hasn't changed materially may not necessarily be lying but has definitely lost perspective of how it was before GC. So hang in ... and your turn will come
    lol...say my hi hello to the princess Q...

    I totally agree with u on the GC thing... one of my friend got gc mail in the morning and by evening he has his europe and african safari tickets ready... lol... talk about freedom....

  18. #6718
    Latest H1b count, just happened to see: only 29,000. Masters is at 15,800.

    Less incoming from non I/C, if not advantageous, definitely is not going to harm

  19. #6719
    Perspective. I myself realized that when we for eg. talk about 6k porting, it's not actually 6,000 people switching from EB3 to EB2, it's more like 2,900 people doing so, which suddenly sounds more realistic than 6k.

  20. #6720
    many times I have dreamt of this day, and always I visualize myself lying down on a cloud and floating peacefully.

    Quote Originally Posted by soggadu View Post
    lol...say my hi hello to the princess Q...

    I totally agree with u on the GC thing... one of my friend got gc mail in the morning and by evening he has his europe and african safari tickets ready... lol... talk about freedom....

  21. #6721
    Quote Originally Posted by nishant2200 View Post
    Perspective. I myself realized that when we for eg. talk about 6k porting, it's not actually 6,000 people switching from EB3 to EB2, it's more like 2,900 people doing so, which suddenly sounds more realistic than 6k.
    Nishant that’s a good way of looking at the situation. I have 3 colleagues with EB3 PD ranging from early 2003 to mid 2005, all of them now have close to 15 years of experience (All of them senior to me), and they are finally doing everything possible to port. Initially I was even surprised to know that these guys are in EB3. Besides that 2 close friends formerly we were neighbors and still keep meeting every month are also nearing 15 years stuck in EB3 but with a big Fortune 100 company which will not file, they are happy with life on EAD for now but have plans to try for porting.
    So porting won’t come down anytime soon, effective porting potential is now much higher and anyone before 15-APR-2007 can get GC sooner than most new filers as the 485 must already be adjudicated.

  22. #6722
    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    I doubt it Nishant. Initially I thought their objective was to help ROW. But now I think it is to keep EB-IC numbers utilization as low as possible.
    Q

    What is your reasoning for the above thought?

  23. #6723
    Friends the whole idea here is to have a good report to show to the management. The dashboard is nothing but reporting to executive management to whom just absolute figures matter they do not care for real details. So for this case the fresh intake actually hurts because it adds to the backlog, if it were approvable then if there is a current case (EB2 ROW or EB1) waiting for any reason or even appeared slightly later it harms the statistics by showing more backlogs. This situation is in fact perfectly in line with the law as well, we all feel the pain though. Fresh intake also means more work, however if things can be managed by less / none and great results be shown its a win - win situation. So really to accelerate things towards the tipping point it is important that the EB2 ROW and EB1 demand comes down plus the current level of unprecedented backlog of 20K (As per last inventory) be cleared, since both the things combined will be tough and we are literally 8K (Preadjudicated cases) and virtually 16-18K (Preadjudicated + PWMB + Porting) away from the tipping point BTM in the near term is difficult. What makes the situation even worse is that the I140 rates of completion have accelerated to an extent that atleast Q1 2012 may not yield any SOFAD atleast from EB2 ROW. Let’s keep monitoring and checking it’s still very early days every year is a different year. My prediction of 01-OCT-2007 with ~ 22K SOFAD is just Ball Park, I hope I can revise it for the better however this is how the situation looks now, this date is for actual GC issuance, I know most people are really looking to file for just their 485’s this could be a few months further depending on what kind of intake happens and when. Unfortunately the 6 months from now will be slow especially for India, it will be interesting to watch China movement as they don’t have that much of porting. On another interesting note PWMB cases filed in Jul 2011 seem to be getting approved this may also have been a factor in restraining the dates in September.
    Last edited by TeddyKoochu; 08-31-2011 at 04:38 PM.

  24. #6724
    For following reasons and observed facts:

    1. USCIS wrongly interpreted spillover rules until 2007 thus starving EB23ICs.
    2. USCIS continues to ignore quarterly spillovers which would directly benefit EB2ICs.
    3. After 2007 USCIS cleared all EB1 EB2ROW 485 backlog with unprecedented efficiency. This was especially true for year 2009. Thus preventing any spillover to EB2IC.
    4. Then in 2010 when the 485 backlog was reduced, USCIS working with other agencies cleared off record labor backlog for EB2ROW thus preventing significant spillover to EB2IC again.
    5. Coming to this year again, USCIS gave advance warning - an unprecedented step - to DoS saying they have 12K in future eligible cases. Thus preventing EB2IC benefit.
    6. Additionally EB2I it seems is unfairly targeted for EVC kind of nonsense.
    7. USCIS has all along been allocating 7% across FB EB limit and allocating precious EB visas to countries like S Korea.

    In all these cases, there is clear bias against IC utilizing more visas. Granted both countries do utilize a lot of visas but then those two countries have a third of world's population between them. So is it a big deal if they consume a lot of visas? But somehow USCIS and DoS it seems favor nationality diversity. I also have thoughts on why ..... but hey I will leave that for people to figure out.
    Quote Originally Posted by donvar View Post
    Q

    What is your reasoning for the above thought?
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  25. #6725
    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    For following reasons and observed facts:

    1. USCIS wrongly interpreted spillover rules until 2007 thus starving EB23ICs.
    2. USCIS continues to ignore quarterly spillovers which would directly benefit EB2ICs.
    3. After 2007 USCIS cleared all EB1 EB2ROW 485 backlog with unprecedented efficiency. This was especially true for year 2009. Thus preventing any spillover to EB2IC.
    4. Then in 2010 when the 485 backlog was reduced, USCIS working with other agencies cleared off record labor backlog for EB2ROW thus preventing significant spillover to EB2IC again.
    5. Coming to this year again, USCIS gave advance warning - an unprecedented step - to DoS saying they have 12K in future eligible cases. Thus preventing EB2IC benefit.
    6. Additionally EB2I it seems is unfairly targeted for EVC kind of nonsense.
    7. USCIS has all along been allocating 7% across FB EB limit and allocating precious EB visas to countries like S Korea.

    In all these cases, there is clear bias against IC utilizing more visas. Granted both countries do utilize a lot of visas but then those two countries have a third of world's population between them. So is it a big deal if they consume a lot of visas? But somehow USCIS and DoS it seems favor nationality diversity. I also have thoughts on why ..... but hey I will leave that for people to figure out.
    Q amazingly well said all the points are really true. Points 1 - 5 have indeed caused severe damage to EB2 I/C if even one of them were not there then the tipping point would have been broken this year. Point 1 has caused the severest damage I think if that would have been addressed earlier then the tipping point may have well come in 2009 or worst case 2010. Point 6 on the EVC is really something that they have taken very far, if corporate America is fine with that I don't understand why they are hell bent on destroying people’s lives and families quite literally. Point # 7 also harms ROW countries Mexico & Philippines continue to hog huge numbers from EB3 thereby depriving the rest of the ROW countries. Worst thing is the mixing of illegal and legal immigration via 245I this caused severe damage to EB3-I (It was shuttling in 2001 for 5 years) and even now to EB3 ROW (Hidden Demand), despite the fact that there are human issues with the undocumented this mixing is extremely unfair to all people to have followed the law in every sense.

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