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Thread: EB2-3 Predictions (Rather Calculations) 2015-2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly View Post
    Dude, Chile is the bomb! Most prosperous country in South America (per capita GDP of course, Brazil is huge in net GDP), great food, great people, advanced and stable government/economy, awesome beaches, natural beauty... I can keep going on. Definitely worth a vacation visit if you can do it. We are seriously thinking about it as a retirement destination.
    Good to know, I would def. add to my bucket list. .

    But why didn't you continue to stay there ?

    Also I never really understood "I want to retire at XXX place" statements. Thought one would live where your friends, family and children, esp. at time of retirement. That's why I take all such articles in cnbc about best places to retire with a pinch of salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjeevtrivedi View Post
    "This transition no doubt will result in an increase in the number of EB2-to-EB3 “downgrade” cases from Indian-born applicants. If the increase is significant, this eventually could lead to EB2 India once again having a more favorable cutoff date than EB3 India."

    All- Be careful with your downgrades, what CO is saying that if there are significant downgrade. EB2 will have favorable dates. He is kind of indicating something. As suggested earlier by someone unless the FAD becomes current, don't hurry up. You don't want to be in a situation where you upgraded first from EB3 to EB2, than downgrade EB2-EB3 and get trapped
    That quote is from Murthy and not from CO even though I agree with that statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EB32010 View Post
    That quote is from Murthy and not from CO even though I agree with that statement.
    I think that was CO who mentioned that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur123 View Post
    Good to know, I would def. add to my bucket list. .

    But why didn't you continue to stay there ?

    Also I never really understood "I want to retire at XXX place" statements. Thought one would live where your friends, family and children, esp. at time of retirement. That's why I take all such articles in cnbc about best places to retire with a pinch of salt.
    Good questions! Our children are American and once the oldest turned 5, basically that was the stopping point for traveling around so that their schooling does not get affected and we wanted them to go to school here and be conversant about the history and culture of their own homeland. Coincidentally, both our parents passed away early and we never really developed any close relationships with other extended family or with India to be honest once we moved here and have some major wanderlust because of that but would love to provide our children the opportunity to have their own strong national identity. Chances are we will end up living a nomadic life once the kids have flown the coop (basically the inspiration for my username ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by EB2/eb3 View Post
    I think that was CO who mentioned that.
    That particular quote was mentioned in the second paragraph of the section and I think second paragraph is the comment from Murthy or her lawyers. It’s pure speculation though

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloddy1 View Post
    This transition no doubt will result in an increase in the number of EB2-to-EB3 “downgrade” cases from Indian-born applicants. If the increase is significant, this eventually could lead to EB2 India once again having a more favorable cutoff date than EB3 India.
    This statement is a BS. I don't trust it. In my opinion EB2I cutoff dates will not surpass EB3I cutoff dates in next 5 years.
    Also, we can't compare the EB2/3 China behavior with EB2/3 India behavior as the underlying total China data size is just 10% of total India data size.
    Statistically I can't use this data for comparison.
    I'm sticking to my earlier predictions. You will see what I was predicting at least after 3 to 6 months from now.

  7. #4507
    Quote Originally Posted by YTeleven View Post
    This statement is a BS. I don't trust it. In my opinion EB2I cutoff dates will not surpass EB3I cutoff dates in next 5 years.
    Also, we can't compare the EB2/3 China behavior with EB2/3 India behavior as the underlying total China data size is just 10% of total India data size.
    Statistically I can't use this data for comparison.
    I'm sticking to my earlier predictions. You will see what I was predicting at least after 3 to 6 months from now.
    Well, one more interesting comment he made is that he is moving the date for EB3 I, because the demand of ROW not strong. So does that means EB3-I has good demand. I know different people have different opinion, but there should be a wait and watch policy until EB3-I crosses May 2010 ( for any EB2 after May 2010 to downgrade). There is simply lot of uncertainity at this point especially now CO saying there could be chance of favorable date for EB2 I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YTeleven View Post
    This statement is a BS. I don't trust it. In my opinion EB2I cutoff dates will not surpass EB3I cutoff dates in next 5 years.
    Also, we can't compare the EB2/3 China behavior with EB2/3 India behavior as the underlying total China data size is just 10% of total India data size.
    Statistically I can't use this data for comparison.
    I'm sticking to my earlier predictions. You will see what I was predicting at least after 3 to 6 months from now.
    YT, I know you have predicted many things and many of them were accurate. I know you have good knowledge of how things work. But I just can’t wrap my head around what you are saying that EB2 won’t surpass EB3 in 5 years even though I highly respect your opinion. Initially I thought downgrade might be hard but I don’t think it’s that hard. Downgraders are starting to get I-140 approvals and some of them in premium as well. Downgrades is going to happen in full swing once it crosses May 2010. I hope what you are saying is true since I hold July 2010 date on EB3 but I am very skeptical about it

  9. #4509
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly View Post
    Good questions! Our children are American and once the oldest turned 5, basically that was the stopping point for traveling around so that their schooling does not get affected and we wanted them to go to school here and be conversant about the history and culture of their own homeland. Coincidentally, both our parents passed away early and we never really developed any close relationships with other extended family or with India to be honest once we moved here and have some major wanderlust because of that but would love to provide our children the opportunity to have their own strong national identity. Chances are we will end up living a nomadic life once the kids have flown the coop (basically the inspiration for my username ).
    Well we all feel a degree of rootlessness. But interestingly how did you manage to stay in different countries on H1 - remote working or vacation?

    But also can you judge a place within a few weeks/months? I have met people who wouldn't leave UK or Singapore for any other place. Personally I wonder how NZ or Scotland would have worked out for me. One is amazingly beautiful and the other has so much history. And both have small town feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EB32010 View Post
    YT, I know you have predicted many things and many of them were accurate. I know you have good knowledge of how things work. But I just can’t wrap my head around what you are saying that EB2 won’t surpass EB3 in 5 years even though I highly respect your opinion. Initially I thought downgrade might be hard but I don’t think it’s that hard. Downgraders are starting to get I-140 approvals and some of them in premium as well. Downgrades is going to happen in full swing once it crosses May 2010. I hope what you are saying is true since I hold July 2010 date on EB3 but I am very skeptical about it
    I accept the downgrades will happen, it may be harder now, may become easier in future, but still I don't think the downgrade rate will beat the EB3India visa supply rate in coming years. So, ultimately it leads to a more favorable cutoff date for EB3I but NOT the same for EB2I.
    All I'm saying is EB2I cutoff dates will never ever catch-up with EB3I cutoff dates in next 5 years.

    Let me put it in a different way.. we saw in the last 10 years the EB2I had always a more favorable cutoff date compared to EB3I and the upgrades had a net effect of pulling the EB2I cutoff dates backwards.
    Now in the next 10 years what we see is the opposite to it, EB3I cutoff dates will be always have more favorable dates than compared to EB2I and the downgrades will have a net effect of pulling the EB2I cutoff dates but this time it will be in forward direction but these dates will not become equal as most of us thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EB32010 View Post
    YT, I know you have predicted many things and many of them were accurate. I know you have good knowledge of how things work. But I just can’t wrap my head around what you are saying that EB2 won’t surpass EB3 in 5 years even though I highly respect your opinion. Initially I thought downgrade might be hard but I don’t think it’s that hard. Downgraders are starting to get I-140 approvals and some of them in premium as well. Downgrades is going to happen in full swing once it crosses May 2010. I hope what you are saying is true since I hold July 2010 date on EB3 but I am very skeptical about it
    He is correct.

    Eb2 I passing May 2010 with an optimistic outlook is 3 years. In this 3 years, Eb3 even with downgrades would be in 2012/13 PD. Philippines getting to current will help EB3 I get close to 10 K GC visa most probably from this FY and next.

    WE know based on the last years report we have Eb2:3 (216:55) at 4:1 ratio. Even with 50% downgrade from EB2, the base demand will still be high to make a remarkable progress in the next 2 years to get anywhere close to Eb3 dates in the year 2024.

    10 years is what YT said, and the realistically numbers currently point towards that direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceMan View Post
    He is correct.

    Eb2 I passing May 2010 with an optimistic outlook is 3 years. In this 3 years, Eb3 even with downgrades would be in 2012/13 PD. Philippines getting to current will help EB3 I get close to 10 K GC visa most probably from this FY and next.

    WE know based on the last years report we have Eb2:3 (216:55) at 4:1 ratio. Even with 50% downgrade from EB2, the base demand will still be high to make a remarkable progress in the next 2 years to get anywhere close to Eb3 dates in the year 2024.

    10 years is what YT said, and the realistically numbers currently point towards that direction.
    Filing date have reached only April 2010. Do you think they will have the demand of 6000 visas for this FY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur123 View Post
    Well we all feel a degree of rootlessness. But interestingly how did you manage to stay in different countries on H1 - remote working or vacation?

    But also can you judge a place within a few weeks/months? I have met people who wouldn't leave UK or Singapore for any other place. Personally I wonder how NZ or Scotland would have worked out for me. One is amazingly beautiful and the other has so much history. And both have small town feeling.
    Will hopefully not try not to hijack this prediction thread further! Just a mix of tourist and business visas traveling for pleasure and work (me - oil & gas industry, wife - professor in engineering). Obviously sample size in each place may not have been sufficient but was enough to get a feel for different places. Even within the US, we try to visit and stay in different cities for Spring Break, Summer Break and Winter Break to experience the different cuisines, notable places and other things to do in different parts of the country.

    My suggestion to everyone is this: Don't let the GC process drag you down. If I had spent every day worrying about it, I would have done that for 9+ yrs now and missed out on the prime of life and still be in the same situation as now. I am only focusing on it now since it's reasonably close to make some decisions and take action. I am glad I had a few older friends who counseled me about it in the very beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EB32010 View Post
    Filing date have reached only April 2010. Do you think they will have the demand of 6000 visas for this FY?
    We are still only in the 2nd quarter, the current numbers show EB3-ROW demand is basically nothing, by the speed at which they are pushing Philippines dates compared to EB2-ROW which is current for the foreseeable future.

    I am "hoping" for closer to 10 K for Eb-3 India and another extremely pleasant surprise of 1 year forward movement of Eb3-I final dates in July 19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmilers View Post
    I am going on 18 years in this country and still waiting. Moved here in 2001 on F1, got H1 in Dec 2004 and EB-2 Priority date is Feb 2010. So yes it is possible.

    Some people are just "Lucky"
    I thought I was the one waiting for a long time. Looks like you beat me to it!

    Moved here in 2005 on H1. PD in Dec 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skpanda View Post
    I thought I was the one waiting for a long time. Looks like you beat me to it!

    Moved here in 2005 on H1. PD in Dec 2010.
    Look like with a 2007 entry to the country, I might be the newest in the country here in the forum.

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    I have been following this thread, which has been very useful for layman like me and hats off to everyone who contribute with their predications/calculations. Have a quick questions, admin can delete if it is irrelevant to this thread. I have approved I-140 on both EB2 and EB3 with PD of July 2009. I decided to file 485 under EB3 category to utilize the filing chart of Jan once I realized that USCIS is not honoring the filing chart in Feb. But I thought I am left with few days to file before 31st Jan and when I asked my employer, employer attorney responded saying I can still file using Jan bulletin filing chart in Feb. Is that true? Second question, is it not necessary to file 485 through my employer provided Attorney? Can I go with any attorney of my choice? Appreciate in advance for the clarifications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamGSN View Post
    But I thought I am left with few days to file before 31st Jan and when I asked my employer, employer attorney responded saying I can still file using Jan bulletin filing chart in Feb. Is that true?
    Not true. You need to immediately report to the HR Department that the Attorney is not well versed in Immigration matters and seek permission to use an attorney of your choice. By the way, if you have not already collected your documents and kept ready (Medicals) I don't see how you can even file before the end of this month. My question is why did you suddenly wake up at the last minute? Why did you not ask this question as soon as USCIS said they will not honor Filing Date?

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    When you guys say that EB3 could get to 2012/3 in next few years, its filing dates you are talking about right ?
    Where would the final dates be ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceMan View Post
    Look like with a 2007 entry to the country, I might be the newest in the country here in the forum.
    I am with you buddy! 2007 it was for me as well and i was thinking that i am an old timer

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    Quote Originally Posted by YTeleven View Post
    I accept the downgrades will happen, it may be harder now, may become easier in future, but still I don't think the downgrade rate will beat the EB3India visa supply rate in coming years. So, ultimately it leads to a more favorable cutoff date for EB3I but NOT the same for EB2I.
    All I'm saying is EB2I cutoff dates will never ever catch-up with EB3I cutoff dates in next 5 years.

    Let me put it in a different way.. we saw in the last 10 years the EB2I had always a more favorable cutoff date compared to EB3I and the upgrades had a net effect of pulling the EB2I cutoff dates backwards.
    Now in the next 10 years what we see is the opposite to it, EB3I cutoff dates will be always have more favorable dates than compared to EB2I and the downgrades will have a net effect of pulling the EB2I cutoff dates but this time it will be in forward direction but these dates will not become equal as most of us thinking.
    Interesting prediction. I am most likely to say next 2 yrs than 10 yrs, for the simple reason that a lot of EB2 folks are upgrades from EB3, having both EB2 and EB3 PERM's. For them to downgrade will take far less time than it took for them to upgrade.

    Those who have already filed AOS in EB2, may not be motivated to downgrade, but it is a different story for those who have not filed AOS. ALL these folks will now file in EB3, rather will already have filed in EB3 by the end of this month. For > April 2010 PD's also, everyone who has an EB3 Perm will immediately file AOS as soon as they become current. Quite a few of those who don't have an EB3 Perm will already have applied for PERM in EB3, especially if they work for desi consulting companies.

    Again, if the Per Country limit is removed, then all predictions go for a toss.

  22. #4522
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly View Post
    Will hopefully not try not to hijack this prediction thread further! Just a mix of tourist and business visas traveling for pleasure and work (me - oil & gas industry, wife - professor in engineering). Obviously sample size in each place may not have been sufficient but was enough to get a feel for different places. Even within the US, we try to visit and stay in different cities for Spring Break, Summer Break and Winter Break to experience the different cuisines, notable places and other things to do in different parts of the country.

    My suggestion to everyone is this: Don't let the GC process drag you down. If I had spent every day worrying about it, I would have done that for 9+ yrs now and missed out on the prime of life and still be in the same situation as now. I am only focusing on it now since it's reasonably close to make some decisions and take action. I am glad I had a few older friends who counseled me about it in the very beginning.
    I completely agree with you mate! And looks like we have a lot in common

    Been in and out of USA several times and got to spend time in Sweden, Switzerland and Canada in between. Its amazing to explore the nuances of different places as a resident rather than a tourist. Still have Australia and NZ in my wish list.. will make it some day. However, with that being said, there's no country like US of A when it comes to openness, inclusiveness (Hey! you also have to reach out and talk to Americans instead of just huddling with your desi groups) and ease of life.

    Spending time fretting about whats not in our hands is absolutely useless. Taking pleasures in simple things of life like watching kids grow, a backyard bbq with friends with cold beer etc.... is what makes it all worth. Even if something goes unexpected with US stint... my India is always there

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    Here is the 2018 December DOS data.


    China India Mexico Philippines South Korea Vietnam ROW-SK-VET Total
    EB1 40 14 01 00 10 00 61 126
    EB2 12 03 01 21 122 02 103 264
    EB3 025 105 029 356 051 000 525 1091
    EB4 00 15 00 04 00 01 142 161
    EB5 413 046 004 002 029 033 171 698
    Total 490 183 035 383 212 035 1002 2340

  24. #4524
    My I-485 (Priority date July 2007 EB-3 India) application was applied concurrently along with I-140 amendment request since employer was acquired. Both cases are currently in Texas since April 2018. Fingerprints were taken in August 2018 and received EAD/AP combo cards for primary and dependent in September. I-140 finally got approved after 9 months this morning.

    Now that the I-140 is approved is there anything I can do from my end, such as - infopass appointment and/or involving local congressman to gain traction on my 485 application? My 485 application currently states Finger print review completed and we still need to be scheduled for the interview.

    Folks please advise as I am getting close to the 12 month mark on medicals and hope not having to repeat them again. The wait since July 2007 has been excruciatingly long and painful so would really appreciate any insight you may have.

  25. #4525
    Quote Originally Posted by maverick23 View Post
    My I-485 (Priority date July 2007 EB-3 India) application was applied concurrently along with I-140 amendment request since employer was acquired. Both cases are currently in Texas since April 2018. Fingerprints were taken in August 2018 and received EAD/AP combo cards for primary and dependent in September. I-140 finally got approved after 9 months this morning.

    Now that the I-140 is approved is there anything I can do from my end, such as - infopass appointment and/or involving local congressman to gain traction on my 485 application? My 485 application currently states Finger print review completed and we still need to be scheduled for the interview.

    Folks please advise as I am getting close to the 12 month mark on medicals and hope not having to repeat them again. The wait since July 2007 has been excruciatingly long and painful so would really appreciate any insight you may have.
    Congrats! You are almost there. Just hang in there till they send you interview date and you should be getting your GC soon. Just a question, did you not get a chance to use Premium processing?

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