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  1. #4201
    Quote Originally Posted by kb2013 View Post
    Request a recommendation for my situation.
    PD is Jan 2010. Due to some clerical error and confusion with USCIS, 485 filed in 2012 was denied in 2013 and 2 years of appeal did not work.
    Changed company in 2013, right before the 485 denial.
    New company extended H1B and filed I-140 in EB2.
    Now that filing date is current for me in EB3, attorney is willing to file EB3 I-140 and 485 concurrent filing, but have indicated they will not switch back and forth. So I will need to move to the EB3 queue permanently if they apply EB3 I-140.
    Analyses and numbers appear to indicate low demand in EB3 and EB3 FAD is likely to move ahead fast.
    Any unknowns that I need to take into consideration?
    Should I take the plunge and switch to EB3?
    No second thought. Just do it. To know more about EB3 India future.. go through my last 4 years updates in this forum.

  2. #4202
    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    EB3 stopped getting anything from EB2 when USCIS were forced to prioritize horizontal spillover over vertical. So yes this is true after about 2009/2008 timeframe.

    p.s- Technically EB3 ROW did receive some EB2 visas a few years back for S Korea. That was outrageous and illegal but as always there wasn't much outcry over that.
    Hello Q,
    How credible are the pending inventory reports? The three reports which were published in 18 had numbers all over the place. What is your personal opinion about Julys report?

    Instead of using USCIS report, With available data can we formulate pending inventory?

  3. #4203
    Quote Originally Posted by YTeleven View Post
    No second thought. Just do it. To know more about EB3 India future.. go through my last 4 years updates in this forum.
    Thanks!, for the advice. Will do. Been binge reading forums recently. We will likely be 2 less from the EB2 queue if all goes well.

  4. #4204
    Hi Q/Spec,

    Do you guys think that EB2I dates are slated to move anytime soon? I have been waiting for my dates to get current for last 2 months and they are stuck at April 1st 2009. Mine is April 3rd. I am really anxious and miss going to India. I have been waiting to get this GC first before booking tix to india. Please throw some light. Greatly appreciate all you guys have done over ther years on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swordfish380 View Post
    Hello Q,
    How credible are the pending inventory reports? The three reports which were published in 18 had numbers all over the place. What is your personal opinion about Julys report?

    Instead of using USCIS report, With available data can we formulate pending inventory?
    They are no longer credible at all for most Categories and Countries, since they appear to no longer show any cases pending that were submitted after March 7 2017 (or have a PD later that that date).

    They no longer show cases pending at NBC or at the Field Offices.

    Two other USCIS Reports show I-485 pending numbers.

    a) Local Office and Service Center report. This does not report a figure for NBC.

    b) All Forms Report. There's no information about what the number represents in terms of location.

    The table below shows the figures from the 3 sources and the difference from the figure reported in the Inventory Report. The figure represents all pending I-485 for all categories and all Countries.

    Date ------ Inventory -- Loc. Off - LOff Diff -- All Forms - AllFrm Diff
    Apr-17 ------ 128,873 --- 138,347 ----- 9,474 ---- 138,404 ------- 9,531
    Aug-17 ------ 144,223 --- 144,272 -------- 49 ---- 148,553 ------- 4,330
    Oct-17 ------ 133,502 --- 139,768 ----- 6,266 ---- 149,382 ------ 15,880
    Jan-18 ------ 103,675 --- 114,734 ---- 11,059 ---- 142,577 ------ 38,902
    Apr-18 ------- 48,190 --- 115,084 ---- 66,894 ---- 162,675 ----- 114,485
    Jul-18 ------- 29,471 ---- 76,868 ---- 47,397 ---- 149,179 ----- 119,708

    You can make your own mind up as to whether the USCIS Inventory still has any value whatsoever.
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  6. #4206
    Quote Originally Posted by AceMan View Post
    With very little or no SO,
    Sept 2019 ---> 1st Jun 2009
    Sept 2020 ---> 1st Oct 2009
    Sept 2021 ---> Mid Dec 2009
    Sept 2022 ---> 1st Mar 2010
    Sept 2023 ---> 1st July 2010

    The calculation is very simple, remove close to 3000 for each FY from the demand data.

    Aceman - can you shed some light on how Eb3 movement is going to be both filing date and FAD.

    Your input is very valuable to us. THANK YOU.

  7. #4207
    Here are my additional 2 cents to Spec's wonderful answer.

    The 485 inventory never was quite reliable. However now it is all the more unreliable because it only represents service centers and USCIS has again started old ways of keeping cases at field USCIS offices.

    Having said that I do think it still is better to have incomplete picture than no picture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    They are no longer credible at all for most Categories and Countries, since they appear to no longer show any cases pending that were submitted after March 7 2017 (or have a PD later that that date).

    They no longer show cases pending at NBC or at the Field Offices.

    Two other USCIS Reports show I-485 pending numbers.

    a) Local Office and Service Center report. This does not report a figure for NBC.

    b) All Forms Report. There's no information about what the number represents in terms of location.

    The table below shows the figures from the 3 sources and the difference from the figure reported in the Inventory Report. The figure represents all pending I-485 for all categories and all Countries.

    Date ------ Inventory -- Loc. Off - LOff Diff -- All Forms - AllFrm Diff
    Apr-17 ------ 128,873 --- 138,347 ----- 9,474 ---- 138,404 ------- 9,531
    Aug-17 ------ 144,223 --- 144,272 -------- 49 ---- 148,553 ------- 4,330
    Oct-17 ------ 133,502 --- 139,768 ----- 6,266 ---- 149,382 ------ 15,880
    Jan-18 ------ 103,675 --- 114,734 ---- 11,059 ---- 142,577 ------ 38,902
    Apr-18 ------- 48,190 --- 115,084 ---- 66,894 ---- 162,675 ----- 114,485
    Jul-18 ------- 29,471 ---- 76,868 ---- 47,397 ---- 149,179 ----- 119,708

    You can make your own mind up as to whether the USCIS Inventory still has any value whatsoever.
    I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
    I do run this site only as an administrator. Our goal is to improve clarity of GC process to help people plan their lives better.
    Use the info at your risk. None of this is legal advice.

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  8. #4208
    Nishant - I no longer do calculations. Sorry. I will let others answer this question.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nishant_imt View Post
    Hi Q/Spec,

    Do you guys think that EB2I dates are slated to move anytime soon? I have been waiting for my dates to get current for last 2 months and they are stuck at April 1st 2009. Mine is April 3rd. I am really anxious and miss going to India. I have been waiting to get this GC first before booking tix to india. Please throw some light. Greatly appreciate all you guys have done over ther years on this forum.
    I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
    I do run this site only as an administrator. Our goal is to improve clarity of GC process to help people plan their lives better.
    Use the info at your risk. None of this is legal advice.

    Forum Glossary | Forum Rules and Guidelines | If your published post disappeared, check - Lies and Misinformation thread


  9. #4209
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    They are no longer credible at all for most Categories and Countries, since they appear to no longer show any cases pending that were submitted after March 7 2017 (or have a PD later that that date).

    They no longer show cases pending at NBC or at the Field Offices.

    Two other USCIS Reports show I-485 pending numbers.

    a) Local Office and Service Center report. This does not report a figure for NBC.

    b) All Forms Report. There's no information about what the number represents in terms of location.

    The table below shows the figures from the 3 sources and the difference from the figure reported in the Inventory Report. The figure represents all pending I-485 for all categories and all Countries.

    Date ------ Inventory -- Loc. Off - LOff Diff -- All Forms - AllFrm Diff
    Apr-17 ------ 128,873 --- 138,347 ----- 9,474 ---- 138,404 ------- 9,531
    Aug-17 ------ 144,223 --- 144,272 -------- 49 ---- 148,553 ------- 4,330
    Oct-17 ------ 133,502 --- 139,768 ----- 6,266 ---- 149,382 ------ 15,880
    Jan-18 ------ 103,675 --- 114,734 ---- 11,059 ---- 142,577 ------ 38,902
    Apr-18 ------- 48,190 --- 115,084 ---- 66,894 ---- 162,675 ----- 114,485
    Jul-18 ------- 29,471 ---- 76,868 ---- 47,397 ---- 149,179 ----- 119,708

    You can make your own mind up as to whether the USCIS Inventory still has any value whatsoever.
    Interestingly this CRS report (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45447) repeatedly says that those July'2018 Inventory numbers 29,471 represent administrative backlogs of applications that have been already allocated numerically limited visa numbers and are closest to completion.
    See page No. 15 & 16. I don't believe that statement is a true statement as 63% of them (15,826) are EB2 India applications. In my opinion it is a big FLAW of this report.

    Likewise I can find many other flaws and incorrect assumptions due to lack of public data. I'm not sure how can congress rely on such report for taking any action on legislative changes. Best way is to make CURRENT every category for every country for 2 months and generate the genuine demand and clear duplicate/triplicate applications and discard all inactive applications. This way all the reports get the reset and then congress can take a proper action on the issues based on correct reports.

  10. #4210
    Knowing that the data available for predictions is not reliable, can we be still be certain that EB3 FAD will move significantly ahead of EB2? Do we have sufficient credible data to come to that conclusion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YTeleven View Post
    Interestingly this CRS report (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45447) repeatedly says that those July'2018 Inventory numbers 29,471 represent administrative backlogs of applications that have been already allocated numerically limited visa numbers and are closest to completion.
    See page No. 15 & 16. I don't believe that statement is a true statement as 63% of them (15,826) are EB2 India applications. In my opinion it is a big FLAW of this report.

    Likewise I can find many other flaws and incorrect assumptions due to lack of public data. I'm not sure how can congress rely on such report for taking any action on legislative changes. Best way is to make CURRENT every category for every country for 2 months and generate the genuine demand and clear duplicate/triplicate applications and discard all inactive applications. This way all the reports get the reset and then congress can take a proper action on the issues based on correct reports.
    Thats what happened in july 2007. I dont think it will happen again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YTeleven View Post
    Interestingly this CRS report (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45447) repeatedly says that those July'2018 Inventory numbers 29,471 represent administrative backlogs of applications that have been already allocated numerically limited visa numbers and are closest to completion.
    See page No. 15 & 16. I don't believe that statement is a true statement as 63% of them (15,826) are EB2 India applications. In my opinion it is a big FLAW of this report.

    Likewise I can find many other flaws and incorrect assumptions due to lack of public data. I'm not sure how can congress rely on such report for taking any action on legislative changes. Best way is to make CURRENT every category for every country for 2 months and generate the genuine demand and clear duplicate/triplicate applications and discard all inactive applications. This way all the reports get the reset and then congress can take a proper action on the issues based on correct reports.
    Thats what happened in july 2007. I dont think it will happen again.

  13. #4213
    Visa statistics for 2018 released.
    https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...fice-2018.html

    India - 10967, 4096, 6112

    Grand Totals 39,521(EB1) 40,641(2) 39,966(3) 9,753(4)

  14. #4214
    Quote Originally Posted by AceMan View Post
    Visa statistics for 2018 released.
    https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...fice-2018.html

    India - 10967, 4096, 6112

    Grand Totals 39,521(EB1) 40,641(2) 39,966(3) 9,753(4)
    Did EB2 INDIA receive spillover of mere 1096 only for FY 2018? If that is the spillover we will receive this year where would EB2 INDIA land?

  15. #4215
    Quote Originally Posted by AceMan View Post
    Visa statistics for 2018 released.
    https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...fice-2018.html

    India - 10967, 4096, 6112

    Grand Totals 39,521(EB1) 40,641(2) 39,966(3) 9,753(4)
    How did China get 4312 in EB3 when their date is more advanced than India's EB3? Also Phillipines got 6588 in EB3 but I assume that is because they used less in category 1 and 2.

  16. #4216
    Quote Originally Posted by gcvijay View Post
    Did EB2 INDIA receive spillover of mere 1096 only for FY 2018? If that is the spillover we will receive this year where would EB2 INDIA land?
    This should clear up to end of June 2009. Assumes zero porting, zero down grades.

    Iatiam

  17. #4217
    Quote Originally Posted by delguy View Post
    How did China get 4312 in EB3 when their date is more advanced than India's EB3? Also Phillipines got 6588 in EB3 but I assume that is because they used less in category 1 and 2.
    Some poster had predicted this last year. Because there was interview mandate and Eb3-I inventory (that did not need interviews) got exhausted, the beneficiary was China EB3.

  18. #4218
    Quote Originally Posted by gcvijay View Post
    Did EB2 INDIA receive spillover of mere 1096 only for FY 2018? If that is the spillover we will receive this year where would EB2 INDIA land?
    EB2 got 601 more visas for FY 2018 and India got 1292 more than allocated 2804.
    I think the 600 extra visas, EB2 got was because of interview mandate and Eb1, EB3 unable to meet the numbers. This may not be the case in FY 2019.

  19. #4219
    So you think we may receive more than 1292 SO visas this FY?

  20. #4220
    Quote Originally Posted by gcvijay View Post
    So you think we may receive more than 1292 SO visas this FY?
    It all depends on EB2 demand from ROW. Nothing from EB1, only horizontal for FY 2019. Too difficult to predict, 4000-5000 might be best case for EB2 I

  21. #4221
    Quote Originally Posted by AceMan View Post
    Visa statistics for 2018 released.
    https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...fice-2018.html

    India - 10967, 4096, 6112

    Grand Totals 39,521(EB1) 40,641(2) 39,966(3) 9,753(4)
    No surprises, last year at this time we expected 10K+ visas (EB2India plus EB3India together) based on FY17 figures here :
    http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...8922#post58922
    We can safely predict same for next year too i.e. FY19 10K+ (3k+ plus 6k+) for both EB2&3India together.
    In-fact we can predict same for next 5 years that was the basis for this post:
    http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...0972#post60972

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    Quote Originally Posted by YTeleven View Post
    No surprises, last year at this time we expected 10K+ visas (EB2India plus EB3India together) based on FY17 figures here :
    http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...8922#post58922
    We can safely predict same for next year too i.e. FY19 10K+ (3k+ plus 6k+) for both EB2&3India together.
    In-fact we can predict same for next 5 years that was the basis for this post:
    http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...0972#post60972
    Thanks YT... your predictions have been very accurate over the last few years. Great job!

    Any reason why only 6K+ for EB3-I? I was under the impression that there is very less demand in EB3ROW and there is substantial spillover available for EB3-I.

    Is there any numbers that is prompting you to reach this conclusion?

  23. #4223
    Quote Originally Posted by YTeleven View Post
    No surprises, last year at this time we expected 10K+ visas (EB2India plus EB3India together) based on FY17 figures here :
    http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...8922#post58922
    We can safely predict same for next year too i.e. FY19 10K+ (3k+ plus 6k+) for both EB2&3India together.
    In-fact we can predict same for next 5 years that was the basis for this post:
    http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...0972#post60972
    Not too bad considering we are out of the days of retrogression. And no more porting and potential slow down in EB1C filings as well. Once we get over the May and June 2009 bumps the flow show be more straigtforward.

    Iatiam

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    I've put a breakdown of the DOS Visa Statistics here.
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  25. #4225
    Quote Originally Posted by AceMan View Post
    It all depends on EB2 demand from ROW. Nothing from EB1, only horizontal for FY 2019. Too difficult to predict, 4000-5000 might be best case for EB2 I
    I might agree with AceMan if the recession keyword lives in the news through out the FY19.

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