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Thread: EB2-3 Predictions (Rather Calculations) 2015-2020

  1. #2926
    Quote Originally Posted by srimurthy View Post
    The scenario is a little different from 2012, that in 2012 the movement enabled people to file 485s. The current movement will only be to clear some of that backlog, and allowing others to file who missed it last time. Not much of a impact on inventory build up, I guess

    i am new to this forum

    I am May 2014 EB1 India .just go ported from EB2 to EB1B . When will Eb1 india be current? Can u pls tell me

  2. #2927
    Quote Originally Posted by srimurthy View Post
    The scenario is a little different from 2012, that in 2012 the movement enabled people to file 485s. The current movement will only be to clear some of that backlog, and allowing others to file who missed it last time. Not much of a impact on inventory build up, I guess
    Well, inventory build up can only happen once pending inventory diminishes. So, this will help.

  3. #2928
    I am EB1B-India May 2014. I just ported from EB2. When will I be current?

  4. #2929
    Quote Originally Posted by srimurthy View Post
    The scenario is a little different from 2012, that in 2012 the movement enabled people to file 485s. The current movement will only be to clear some of that backlog, and allowing others to file who missed it last time. Not much of a impact on inventory build up, I guess
    I guess there maybe unaccounted Eb3-EB2 porting cases post Jul 1st 2009, which has not been current since 2012. That is the big unknown and only when dates move beying jul 2009 we can make any guess on build up.

  5. #2930
    Dear Experts, I have a slightly different question, hope someone can kindly help me. My I140 is approved. My old attorney who helped me with
    I140 approval many years back is retiring so I requested my client files, so that I can transfer them to my new Attorney.
    Old Attorney sent me the files. On the I140 Petition, I noticed that the Attorney had done the Typo and put my SSN information wrong.
    My company did not share the filled I140 forms with me, so I could review it during time of filing. Can someone kindly advise how serious is the mistake and
    how can it be corrected ? Thanks a lot in Advance.

  6. #2931
    After looking at the spreadsheet on the visa issuance, I have a very optimistic view that Eb2 India should move until 2011.

    140000 - 62000 = 78000 visas might be available maximum as spillover. With these numbers available Eb2 India can easily clear cases until may 2010 because applicants who have filled AOS do not need the interview.

    This is just my analysis and understanding of the spreadsheet.

  7. #2932
    Quote Originally Posted by Prabhas View Post
    Wow Jonty!!

    Long time.. good to see you after such a long time. One of the old timers.. didnt realize you are still around. Thought you got greened long time ago! Bleh...😉

    Im with July-2010 Eb2 date and I believe and wish your opinion comes true! 😊

    Also from SpecÂ’s comments on 6000 EB2 - visas being used by field offices, isnÂ’t it safe to assume that CO used 15% of the allowed field office quotas ahead of time to avoid any wastage from services centers and now he will utilize the leftovers towards Pending inventory?

    V
    Thanks. Still around and still waiting to get greened.

  8. #2933
    Quote Originally Posted by Immigrate View Post
    After looking at the spreadsheet on the visa issuance, I have a very optimistic view that Eb2 India should move until 2011.

    140000 - 62000 = 78000 visas might be available maximum as spillover. With these numbers available Eb2 India can easily clear cases until may 2010 because applicants who have filled AOS do not need the interview.

    This is just my analysis and understanding of the spreadsheet.
    Again, you are forgetting CP cases. Spec mentioned this a few posts back.

  9. #2934
    Quote Originally Posted by Immigrate View Post
    After looking at the spreadsheet on the visa issuance, I have a very optimistic view that Eb2 India should move until 2011.

    140000 - 62000 = 78000 visas might be available maximum as spillover. With these numbers available Eb2 India can easily clear cases until may 2010 because applicants who have filled AOS do not need the interview.

    This is just my analysis and understanding of the spreadsheet.
    Unlike the past the new filers since March 2017 are handled by field offices, so we are at a massive disadvantage now to see the count of ROW for all the EB categories. I generally maintain an optimistic view, however the lack of RFE's flurry for EB2 I does not give me any confidence to see the dates going beyond March 2009 for EB2I.

    Last year I was of the opinion that EB3 I should have been at March/April 2007 (@trackitt), however the dates stopped at October 2006. In addition there was no movement for the first quarter this FY. I will be happy if all the pending EB2 I till May 2010 gets cleared by the end of this FY.

  10. #2935
    murthy didnt sound that optimistic

    https://www.murthy.com/2018/05/23/ju...and-eb3-india/

    Charles Oppenheim, the U.S. Department of State (DOS) Chief of the Visa Control and Reporting Division, provides visa bulletin explanations and predictions most months. For June 2018, Mr. Oppenheim discusses the possibility of movement in the employment-based, second preference (EB2) and employment-based, third preference (EB3) categories for India.

    Delays Caused by Interview Requirement May Lead to Advancement
    As expected, the in-person interview requirement for most employment-based I-485 applicants has resulted in processing delays by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). More details on the interview requirement are available in the MurthyDotCom NewsBrief, USCIS Provides Clarification on In-Person Interview Requirement in EB I-485 Cases (23.Oct.2017). It appears that this has resulted in fewer-than-expected visa numbers being used. In order to ensure that the full allotment of visa numbers is used for fiscal year 2018, which ends September 30, 2018, it may be necessary to advance the cutoff date for EB2 and EB3 India, and possibly that of EB2 China.

    Mr. Oppenheim does not know yet how far he may be able to advance the cutoff dates. Further, he is careful to point out that this advancement is not a certainty. If there is a fluctuation in demand, this could prevent Mr. Oppenheim from advancing the cutoff dates at all.
    EB2-I, PD - 03/25/2009

  11. #2936
    Quote Originally Posted by EB2-03252009 View Post
    murthy didnt sound that optimistic
    I think we need to wait and watch what happens.

    I think a few immigration attorneys have also discussed the possibility of unused EB visas being wasted/applied to FB into next year.
    William Stock Tweet about Backlog

    Does anyone have knowledge of the reverse scenario, possibly a greater number of unused FB visas, applying to EB for next year, because of the interview requirement?
    TSC | PD: 12-17-2009 | RD: 2-1-2012 | ND: 3-2-2012 | FP Notice: 2-14-2012| FP Done: 3-12-2012 EAD/AP(Online): 3-3-2012 | EAD/AP(Physical Card): 3-21-2012 | RFE: Aug 2015, Apr 2021 |
    GC(Approval Email): - 05/28/2021 | GC(Physical Card): -

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeelVohra View Post
    I think we need to wait and watch what happens.

    I think a few immigration attorneys have also discussed the possibility of unused EB visas being wasted/applied to FB into next year.
    William Stock Tweet about Backlog

    Does anyone have knowledge of the reverse scenario, possibly a greater number of unused FB visas, applying to EB for next year, because of the interview requirement?
    Are the 485 interview requirements only for Employment based GCs or for Family based too?

  13. #2938
    Quote Originally Posted by NeelVohra View Post
    I think we need to wait and watch what happens.

    Does anyone have knowledge of the reverse scenario, possibly a greater number of unused FB visas, applying to EB for next year, because of the interview requirement?
    This has happened atleast 3 times this decade


    The fiscal year 2012 limit for employment-based preference immigrants calculated under INA 201 is 144,951
    The fiscal year 2014 limit for employment-based preference immigrants calculated under INA 201 is 150,241.
    he fiscal year 2015 limit for employment-based preference immigrants calculated under INA 201 is 144,796.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceMan View Post
    This has happened atleast 3 times this decade


    The fiscal year 2012 limit for employment-based preference immigrants calculated under INA 201 is 144,951
    The fiscal year 2014 limit for employment-based preference immigrants calculated under INA 201 is 150,241.
    he fiscal year 2015 limit for employment-based preference immigrants calculated under INA 201 is 144,796.
    FB Extra Visas to EB

    FY2017 --------- 0
    FY2016 ------- 338
    FY2015 ----- 4,796
    FY2014 ---- 10,241
    FY2013 ---- 18,466
    FY2012 ----- 4,951
    FY2011 --------- 0
    FY2010 ---- 10,657
    FY2009 --------- 0
    FY2008 ---- 22,704

    Total ----- 72,153

    Extra FB visas (of which there shouldn't have been any) probably represented the largest contribution to SO numbers.

    Think what the Cut Off Dates would look like without them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    FB Extra Visas

    FY2017 --------- 0
    FY2016 ------- 338
    FY2015 ----- 4,796
    FY2014 ---- 10,241
    FY2013 ---- 18,466
    FY2012 ----- 4,951
    FY2011 --------- 0
    FY2010 ---- 10,657
    FY2009 --------- 0
    FY2008 ---- 22,704

    Total ----- 72,153

    Extra FB visas (of which there shouldn't have been any) probably represented the largest contribution to SO numbers.

    Think what the Cut Off Dates would look like without them.

    Spec, are you anticipating if there will be spillovers left for FB after applying it to EB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by march1612 View Post
    Spec, are you anticipating if there will be spillovers left for FB after applying it to EB?
    No, or very limited.

    Over 90% of FB visa issuances are at Consular Posts and are not affected by USCIS actions. In FY2017, only about 13.5k FB cases of 225.7k were AOS approvals, compared to 212.2k CP cases..

    The FB AOS cases that USCIS do process have always needed an interview.

    Here's the CP figures for October 2017 to March 2018.

    Country/Cat ---- FB1 ---- FB2A ---- FB2B ---- FB3 ---- FB4 - Grand Total
    China ---------- 323 --- 1,795 ----- 371 ---- 877 -- 2,725 ------- 6,091
    India ---------- 160 ----- 868 ------ 78 -- 1,456 -- 6,153 ------- 8,715
    Mexico --------- 620 -- 10,294 ----- 524 ---- 419 -- 2,262 ------ 14,119
    Philippines ---- 867 --- 2,193 --- 1,876 ---- 626 -- 1,824 ------- 7,386
    ROW --------- 12,317 -- 24,781 --- 9,196 -- 6,918 - 16,842 ------ 70,054

    Grand Total - 14,287 -- 39,931 -- 12,045 - 10,296 - 29,806 ----- 106,365

    CO can manage both the Filing Date and Final Action Date to ensure greater CP utilization as necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    No.

    Over 90% of FB visa issuances are at Consular Posts and are not affected by USCIS actions. In FY2017, only about 13.5k FB cases of 225.7k were AOS approvals, compared to 212.2k CP cases..

    The FB AOS cases that USCIS do process have always needed an interview.
    Spec,
    Thanks for your response . Very informative appreciate it.

    Do you have any estimate of how much Spill over EB2-India might get this FY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by march1612 View Post
    Spec,
    Thanks for your response . Very informative appreciate it.

    Do you have any estimate of how much Spill over EB2-India might get this FY?
    No I don't.
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  19. #2944
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post

    Secondly the Field Office approvals. There's no info for EB4 or EB5. Approvals in EB5 by USCIS are negligible anyway.

    USCIS AOS Approvals
    Oct-Mar -- Service -- Field --- Total -- % Field
    EB1 ------- 19,344 -- 6,863 -- 26,207 ---- 26.2%
    EB2 ------- 11,595 -- 6,165 -- 17,760 ---- 34.7%
    EB3 -------- 7,649 -- 5,200 -- 12,849 ---- 40.5%
    EB4 --------------------------- 4,220
    EB5 ----------------------------- 942

    Total ------------------------ 61,978

    There is a reason EB3 Field approvals are higher than EB2 and EB1, last year EB1-I&C and EB2- ROW+P+M all had cut off dates in last qtr, so the filings of the AOS for these categories are less, however EB3 did not had a cutoff and they field the applications.

    Also field offices in and around to metro cities are clearing faster than the other cities.

    Based on Jan inventory, new filings are also fewer than compared with previous qtr's.

    Q1 new 485 filings is also down compared with previous qtr's.

    Right now we are in a kind of dark spot untill next clear data points are released to make any clear concise prediction.

  20. #2945
    Assuming that there are some unused visa numbers in Eb2 and some in Eb3, my understanding is that Eb2 numbers will be utilized by retrogressed countries in EB2. The same would apply to EB-3 under normal conditions. However in the scenario that is being discussed here EB3 numbers will fall up to EB-1. However what stops EB-1 from completely utilizing these numbers. If EB-1C and EB-1I both have a cut off date, wouldn't they get first dibs on these additional visa numbers?

    Under which scenarios would these numbers fall down to Eb2 ?

  21. #2946

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    No I don't.
    Oh come on Spec. You do.

    There is nobody who has a better understanding of numbers compared to you. Please pick a date where you think EB2I will move to by the end of this FY.

  22. #2947
    One observation.

    EB3I really does not have many people who had filed I485 earlier and hence most new application OR most of the new demand from EB3I is mostly going to have to go through the interview process.

    I was just thinking that some people might be downgrading from EB2I to EB3I as they have a very BIG advantage. The advantage is that they would be the only candidates in EB3 that do not require an interview and can consume the SO from EB3ROW.

    Am I missing something here ? I am not sure how a downgrade is interpreted ? Will a downgrade need an interview or not ?

  23. #2948
    Quote Originally Posted by Jagan01 View Post
    One observation.

    EB3I really does not have many people who had filed I485 earlier and hence most new application OR most of the new demand from EB3I is mostly going to have to go through the interview process.

    I was just thinking that some people might be downgrading from EB2I to EB3I as they have a very BIG advantage. The advantage is that they would be the only candidates in EB3 that do not require an interview and can consume the SO from EB3ROW.

    Am I missing something here ? I am not sure how a downgrade is interpreted ? Will a downgrade need an interview or not ?
    Here is what you are missing. EB3I dates have not caught up to EB2I dates and until that happens why would anyone reverse port? Spec had given some pointers in this direction and I was personally thinking of this. But that's when the closed loop spillover calc showed up in CO's presentation. So this year there will be no visa wastage. Reverse porting if any will happen next year.

    Iatiam

  24. #2949
    Quote Originally Posted by iatiam View Post
    Here is what you are missing. EB3I dates have not caught up to EB2I dates and until that happens why would anyone reverse port? Spec had given some pointers in this direction and I was personally thinking of this. But that's when the closed loop spillover calc showed up in CO's presentation. So this year there will be no visa wastage. Reverse porting if any will happen next year.

    PC
    I have read through the presentation and I do understand how the SO is going to flow. That is not what my question was.

    Lets discuss the below scenario.

    1. The most important thing is to determine how CO moves the dates.

    2. We all know that EB3I has little to no inventory and thus CO might want to do an inventory build up and move the final action dates like the good old dates. In the past when the inventory is so low he would move it by a year. Past meaning 2010 - 2012 days.

    3. Lets assume he moves the dates such that EB2I and EB3I are both having the same cut-off.

    4. So lets say that the dates for both EB2I and EB3I end up at May 2009 for Aug VB.

    Now lets think about someone who has PD in May 2009. He would have so many people like me ahead of him/her for the EB2I queue. But in EB3I there might virtually be nobody in front of him/her. Would it make sense for him/her to downgrade ?

    For someone like me with Jan 2009 PD it does not make sense but for someone with PD in summer 2009 it might be a short cut and if executed correctly can get GC a year earlier.

  25. #2950
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    FB Extra Visas to EB

    FY2017 --------- 0
    FY2016 ------- 338
    FY2015 ----- 4,796
    FY2014 ---- 10,241
    FY2013 ---- 18,466
    FY2012 ----- 4,951
    FY2011 --------- 0
    FY2010 ---- 10,657
    FY2009 --------- 0
    FY2008 ---- 22,704

    Total ----- 72,153

    Extra FB visas (of which there shouldn't have been any) probably represented the largest contribution to SO numbers.

    Think what the Cut Off Dates would look like without them.
    Thank you Spec, for the precise detail - 10 years. In fact I had compiled the statistics of EB3 performace overthe last 10 years, i need to calculate the variance or missed numbers based on this instead of standard 40040. By any chance do you have that handy?

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