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Thread: EB2-3 Predictions (Rather Calculations) 2015-2020

  1. #1451
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    Quote Originally Posted by CleanSock View Post
    How come DF for China moved but not for India? Is it because we are still far away from reaching that date?
    But aren't these dates only reference? USCIS decides who can file I-485.

    https://www.uscis.gov/visabulletin-feb-16

    DOS had Jul 1,2009 as filing date for EB2-I in Feb 16 VB but USCIS's filing date was Aug 01,2008.

  2. #1452
    Yup - there seems to be this giant resistance to accept that EB3ROW is actually C and has been for a while. After some time there will be no choice but to accept. Changing the FD to C is the first step.

    EB-3C might actually catch up with EB-3ROW. EB-2C is going to see bunch of downgrades to EB-3C. EB-C overall might actually catch up to EB-ROW overall. That would be insane!

    Quote Originally Posted by EB3Iwaiting View Post
    he is being conservative considering this is the first time it has happened since July 07. He is finding it extremely difficult to accept that EB3ROW demand is actually low.
    EB2I NSC | PD: 08/07/2009 | Forum Glossary

  3. #1453
    Was checking ..... http://www.immigration-law.com "THE OH LAW FIRM"

    State Department Prediction for Visa Availability in the Coming Month

    EB-Based Categories (potential monthly movement)
    EB-1: Current
    EB-2:
    Worldwide: Current
    China: Up to five months.
    India: Up to three months.
    EB-3:
    Worldwide: The rapid forward movement of this cut-off date during the past ten months should generate a significant amount of demand for numbers. When such demand begins to materialize it will be necessary to limit movement of this cut-off date.
    China: Up to five months.
    India: Up to one month.
    Mexico: Will remain at the worldwide date.
    Philippines: Up to four months.
    EB-4: Current for most countries
    EB-5: The category will remain "Current" for most countries. China-mainland born: Slow forward movement.

    The above projections for the Family and Employment categories indicate what is likely to happen on a monthly basis through June based on current applicant demand patterns. Readers should never assume that recent trends in cut-off date movements are guaranteed for the future, or that "corrective" action will not be required at some point in an effort to maintain number use within the applicable annual limits. The determination of the actual monthly cut-off dates is subject to fluctuations in applicant demand and a number of other variables.

    I am a very disappointed by the last statement of DOS.... "The above projections for the Family and Employment categories indicate what is likely to happen on a monthly basis through June based on current applicant demand patterns" .....
    Does this mean that SO to EB3I will happen only in July-Qtr ??
    Looking at the EB3 ROW current status, thought that there will be SO to EB3I in Apr-Qtr.

  4. #1454
    Quote Originally Posted by GCwaiting View Post
    ....current applicant demand patterns.....
    Those are the most important words and the ones that yield their own prediction useless. why? because for backlogged countries due to the retrogression the demand thins out as u go back in time.
    I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
    I do run this site only as an administrator. Our goal is to improve clarity of GC process to help people plan their lives better.
    Use the info at your risk. None of this is legal advice.

    Forum Glossary | Forum Rules and Guidelines | If your published post disappeared, check - Lies and Misinformation thread


  5. #1455

    Red face

    Thanks qesehmk !!!
    Nice catch.
    Definitely "...current applicant demand patterns....." will not remain the same. It would change.
    Hope this change turns positive for EB3 I. Brings new hope :-) !!

    It has been a very long & painful wait for more than a decade & half. This has really taught me what life is all about.

  6. #1456
    Considering that EB2ROW has been Current and EB2I gets spillover only in the last quarter of the year (ignoring exceptions like 2012), the same might happen with EB3I even after EB3ROW becomes C. CO might wait until the last three months of FY for any SO to EB3I.

    Have patience everyone - its gonna happen. I know how hard this wait is - but like everything else - this too shall pass.

    Quote Originally Posted by GCwaiting View Post
    ...
    Does this mean that SO to EB3I will happen only in July-Qtr ??
    Looking at the EB3 ROW current status, thought that there will be SO to EB3I in Apr-Qtr.
    EB2I NSC | PD: 08/07/2009 | Forum Glossary

  7. #1457

    Angry

    Quote Originally Posted by imdeng View Post
    Considering that EB2ROW has been Current and EB2I gets spillover only in the last quarter of the year (ignoring exceptions like 2012), the same might happen with EB3I even after EB3ROW becomes C. CO might wait until the last three months of FY for any SO to EB3I.

    Have patience everyone - its gonna happen. I know how hard this wait is - but like everything else - this too shall pass.
    i hope I have my job till then. have been hanging on to it for last so many years and with the current state of stock markets I am just hoping I can hang on for atleast one more year cant imagine giving up after enduring so much ...

  8. #1458
    So the spillover will only happen in the last quarter (July/Aug/Sep) and until then the EB2 dates would either crawl or stagnate? Reason I ask is because we have travel plans in April end and my PD is Nov 20, 2008. I am a month + change away from being current and it would suck to get a RFE for medical around the time we have to travel. FYI, I we submitted our medicals in Sep 2014. While I am on this, does EVERYONE with medical records older than a year get a RFE now?

  9. #1459
    There will be no SO until last few months - but EB2I dates are moving with regular numbers. Mar VB saw 2.5 months movement from Feb VB. So you may be current in Apr VB.

    Medicals are valid for 1 year from the day USCIS receives them. Once they are expired, new valid ones are needed for approval. No way around that I believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by misanthrope View Post
    So the spillover will only happen in the last quarter (July/Aug/Sep) and until then the EB2 dates would either crawl or stagnate? Reason I ask is because we have travel plans in April end and my PD is Nov 20, 2008. I am a month + change away from being current and it would suck to get a RFE for medical around the time we have to travel. FYI, I we submitted our medicals in Sep 2014. While I am on this, does EVERYONE with medical records older than a year get a RFE now?
    EB2I NSC | PD: 08/07/2009 | Forum Glossary

  10. #1460
    Quote Originally Posted by imdeng View Post
    There will be no SO until last few months - but EB2I dates are moving with regular numbers. Mar VB saw 2.5 months movement from Feb VB. So you may be current in Apr VB.

    Medicals are valid for 1 year from the day USCIS receives them. Once they are expired, new valid ones are needed for approval. No way around that I believe.
    Can up to 3 months' forward movement each month for next three months (Apr-Jun) be supported without SO?

  11. #1461
    Quote Originally Posted by 4WatItsWorth View Post
    Can up to 3 months' forward movement each month for next three months (Apr-Jun) be supported without SO?
    I am sure the gurus here can make a good assessment of that once they see the inventory It should be out by now but for some reason is not yet!

  12. #1462
    With respect to FY2016 , can someone advise what month is FY2016 ending for visa category and bulletin. if someone says SO will happen 3 months before fy2016 ends does he mean July 2016 ( 3 months before Oct ) or Sept 2016 ( 3 months before Dec 2016 )

  13. #1463
    Quote Originally Posted by vyruss View Post
    I am sure the gurus here can make a good assessment of that once they see the inventory It should be out by now but for some reason is not yet!
    I hope they come out with the inventory report and the pending lawsuit doesn't impact it in any manner...

  14. #1464
    Not once we reach into 2009. Latter half of 2008 has been current enough number of times that much of the porting demand from there has already been sucked out. 2009 on the other hand should have more porting cases that will slow down the movement. Even straight inventory in after last year's high water mark is high enough that not much movement will happen there without SO.
    Quote Originally Posted by 4WatItsWorth View Post
    Can up to 3 months' forward movement each month for next three months (Apr-Jun) be supported without SO?
    EB2I NSC | PD: 08/07/2009 | Forum Glossary

  15. #1465
    FY starts Oct 1st - so last three month of FY16 would be July-Aug-Sep. Traditionally Aug has been the large spillover month. Sep is for mop-over duty and to make sure quotas are fully used.
    EB2I NSC | PD: 08/07/2009 | Forum Glossary

  16. #1466
    Light@EOT - Do you anticipate your I-140 being withdrawn once you leave your employer. If not then with AC21 you are in good shape.
    EB2I NSC | PD: 08/07/2009 | Forum Glossary

  17. #1467
    Quote Originally Posted by 4WatItsWorth View Post
    Can up to 3 months' forward movement each month for next three months (Apr-Jun) be supported without SO?
    1. Any movement beyond Oct 2008 will be possible only after using SO.
    2. CO will be using small chunks of SO to support the forward movement.
    3. The prediction is up to 3 months. So it may be anywhere from 0 months to 3 months. I believe it will move in increments of 1 month every VB until June 2009, and after that it will be moving ahead depending on how much SO is unused.

  18. #1468
    Perm Approvals from Jan'09 to Apr'10
    Month----EB2----EB3
    Jan'09----828----276
    Feb'09----539----180
    Mar'09---1069----356
    Apr'09---2259----753
    May'09---1196----399
    Jun'09----937----312
    Jul'09------3----1
    Aug'09----160----53
    Sept'09---637----212
    Oct'09---1139----380
    Nov'09---1028----343
    Dec'09---1230----410
    Jan'10---1662----554
    Feb'10---1905----635
    Mar'10---2762----921
    Apr'10---1572----524
    Total---18926----6309

    current 485 inventory for this time frame is 15K, based on EB3 perm approvals potentially 25% more inventory added for this time frame from porting alone.

    Moving past April 2010 looks not possible before 2018

  19. #1469
    Quote Originally Posted by akshaya8 View Post
    Perm Approvals from Jan'09 to Apr'10
    Month----EB2----EB3
    Jan'09----828----276
    Feb'09----539----180
    Mar'09---1069----356
    Apr'09---2259----753
    May'09---1196----399
    Jun'09----937----312
    Jul'09------3----1
    Aug'09----160----53
    Sept'09---637----212
    Oct'09---1139----380
    Nov'09---1028----343
    Dec'09---1230----410
    Jan'10---1662----554
    Feb'10---1905----635
    Mar'10---2762----921
    Apr'10---1572----524
    Total---18926----6309

    current 485 inventory for this time frame is 15K, based on EB3 perm approvals potentially 25% more inventory added for this time frame from porting alone.

    Moving past April 2010 looks not possible before 2018
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Very useful information. So the filing date my move till Mar 2010 and Final date may move till Nov 2009 at the good case. In Best case final date may move till Jan 2010 and Filing date my move till May 2010.

  20. #1470
    Quote Originally Posted by akshaya8 View Post
    Perm Approvals from Jan'09 to Apr'10
    Month----EB2----EB3
    Jan'09----828----276
    Feb'09----539----180
    Mar'09---1069----356
    Apr'09---2259----753
    May'09---1196----399
    Jun'09----937----312
    Jul'09------3----1
    Aug'09----160----53
    Sept'09---637----212
    Oct'09---1139----380
    Nov'09---1028----343
    Dec'09---1230----410
    Jan'10---1662----554
    Feb'10---1905----635
    Mar'10---2762----921
    Apr'10---1572----524
    Total---18926----6309

    current 485 inventory for this time frame is 15K, based on EB3 perm approvals potentially 25% more inventory added for this time frame from porting alone.

    Moving past April 2010 looks not possible before 2018
    The numbers for July doesn't make sense. Just 4 applications? Plus the 485 inventory is significantly more.

  21. #1471
    PERM approved in FY2015(9/30/2015)

    Determination---FY--------Q1------------Q2--------Q3-------Q4
    Certified--------78,938----16,172-----20,173----17,740---24,853
    Denied-----------5,851------1,065---------999-----1,779-----2,008
    Withdrawn-------4,362------1,103-------1,091----1,072-----1,096

    Top Countries of Citizenship

    India----------45,670---58%
    China-----------6,411 8%
    South Korea--4,895----6%
    Canada--------2,962---4%

    78,938
    52,081 (India + China)
    --------
    26,857- ROW

    EB2 40K - ~6k (India + china ) = 34K for ROW.
    EB3 40K - ~6k (India + china ) = 34K for ROW.

    68K - 54K (ROW 27K perms * 2) = 14 K spillover


    Assuming similar perm ratios continued in first 2 Quarters of FY16 & USCIS maintains similar inventory in the pipe at the end of Sept'16. We can expect around 14K spillover for India (for EB2 and EB3 together). we can expect at least to clear half of current inventory i.e. 14K + 6K = 20K from 39K Pending india EB2 and EB3 Inventory. how ever high usage of ROW in EB2 and EB3 to EB2 porting in india category majority of reduction around 15K may happen in EB3 India

  22. #1472
    Quote Originally Posted by akshaya8 View Post
    PERM approved in 2015

    Determination---FY--------Q1------------Q2--------Q3-------Q4
    Certified--------78,938----16,172-----20,173----17,740---24,853
    Denied-----------5,851------1,065---------999-----1,779-----2,008
    Withdrawn-------4,362------1,103-------1,091----1,072-----1,096

    Top Countries of Citizenship

    India----------45,670---58%
    China-----------6,411 8%
    South Korea--4,895----6%
    Canada--------2,962---4%

    78,938
    52,081 (India + China)
    --------
    26,857- ROW

    EB2 40K - ~6k (India + china ) = 34K for ROW.
    EB3 40K - ~6k (India + china ) = 34K for ROW.

    68K - 54K (ROW 27K perms * 2) = 14 K spillover


    Assuming similar perm ratios continued in first 2 Quarters of FY16 & USCIS maintains similar inventory in the pipe at the end of Sept'16. We can expect around 14K spillover for India (for EB2 and EB3 together). we can expect at least to clear half of current inventory 14K + 6K = 20K. how ever high usage of ROW in EB2 and EB3 to EB2 in india category majority of reduction around 15K may happen in EB3 India
    How far can that move the EB2-I PD to? Is Nov2009 possible?

  23. #1473
    Quote Originally Posted by 4WatItsWorth View Post
    How far can that move the EB2-I PD to? Is Nov2009 possible?
    same question but for EB3I? Also since EB3 Row filing are less than Eb2 more SO should go to EB3I? Am I correct in assuming that?

  24. #1474
    all that would be so easy to predict if we could get the quarterly inventory of pending I-485. But alas we live in the dark ages of exploitation.

  25. #1475

    Why 27K * 2???

    Quote Originally Posted by akshaya8 View Post
    PERM approved in FY2015(9/30/2015)

    Determination---FY--------Q1------------Q2--------Q3-------Q4
    Certified--------78,938----16,172-----20,173----17,740---24,853
    Denied-----------5,851------1,065---------999-----1,779-----2,008
    Withdrawn-------4,362------1,103-------1,091----1,072-----1,096

    Top Countries of Citizenship

    India----------45,670---58%
    China-----------6,411 8%
    South Korea--4,895----6%
    Canada--------2,962---4%

    78,938
    52,081 (India + China)
    --------
    26,857- ROW

    EB2 40K - ~6k (India + china ) = 34K for ROW.
    EB3 40K - ~6k (India + china ) = 34K for ROW.

    68K - 54K (ROW 27K perms * 2) = 14 K spillover


    Assuming similar perm ratios continued in first 2 Quarters of FY16 & USCIS maintains similar inventory in the pipe at the end of Sept'16. We can expect around 14K spillover for India (for EB2 and EB3 together). we can expect at least to clear half of current inventory i.e. 14K + 6K = 20K from 39K Pending india EB2 and EB3 Inventory. how ever high usage of ROW in EB2 and EB3 to EB2 porting in india category majority of reduction around 15K may happen in EB3 India
    Please let me know why you have calculated 27K * 2?? ... shouldn't it be just 27K?? (Fiscal Year 2015 was fully considered for 27K and hence the question)...

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