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  1. #6426
    Thanks for forwarding the link. I was looking to find this to answer the same allocation question that was raised. Spec crushes it as always!

  2. #6427
    If I am not mistaken spillover/spill down is not subject to annual 7% caps. In the past Eb2 India would receive close to 20k visas from spilldown from Eb1. I believe the spillover is applied to the most backlogged countries, how that is applied is left to the government to determine.

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    Any predictions on SO to eb2-3 due to this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikenlalan View Post
    As per the reports out, the ban on immigrant visas has been extended until end of 2020 and will include guest workers like H-1b, H-4, L-1, H-2Bs, J-1.
    Looks like more spillover to EB next FY.
    If we survive this systematic purge

    Jokes apart, these are scary times. Stay safe out there from covid + immigration traps.

    Someone posted COVID giveth, COVID taketh so staying on same boat - I feel like that will depend on timing when this disease spread comes under control or new normal of work for USCIS is established. Lets say USCIS achieves normalcy around Jan then there are 9 months to spread windfall but if it happens later part of year then there will be handful of months to distribute windfall and it will be wasted.

    Based on data shared by Spec, since past few years handful of numbers where allocated to different categories, hopefully patterns stays same and wastage of 1000s doesn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikenlalan View Post
    As per the reports out, the ban on immigrant visas has been extended until end of 2020 and will include guest workers like H-1b, H-4, L-1, H-2Bs, J-1.
    Looks like more spillover to EB next FY.
    More visas for them to waste next year.

    There is no excuse now for CO not to move DF dates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idliman View Post
    10,000*28.6%*7% = 200.2 visas.
    For regular annual cap of 140,000, EB1I / EB2I & EB3I each gets 2802.8 visas.
    For 60,000 spillover, total is 200,000; EB1I / EB2I / EB3I each gets 4004 visas.
    Every 10,000 additional spillover adds 200.2 visas.
    I don't think for spillover/spilldown the 7% cap applies. Hence in the past, EB2 would get 20k spilldown visas and was moving fast. I think the spilldown over and above the regular 7% can be applied to the most backlogged country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monsieur View Post
    If we survive this systematic purge

    Jokes apart, these are scary times. Stay safe out there from covid + immigration traps.

    Someone posted COVID giveth, COVID taketh so staying on same boat - I feel like that will depend on timing when this disease spread comes under control or new normal of work for USCIS is established. Lets say USCIS achieves normalcy around Jan then there are 9 months to spread windfall but if it happens later part of year then there will be handful of months to distribute windfall and it will be wasted.

    Based on data shared by Spec, since past few years handful of numbers where allocated to different categories, hopefully patterns stays same and wastage of 1000s doesn't happen.
    Visas will be wasted for sure and based on the SO if logically the dates should move 1 year, then CO will perhaps only move 6 months taking into account USCIS resource shortage and his conservative approach in moving the dates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenzone View Post
    Thanks for forwarding the link. I was looking to find this to answer the same allocation question that was raised. Spec crushes it as always!
    After revisiting Spec's post from last year and considering the current situation, it seems EB2I applicants up to April 2010 who have already filed their I-485 applications will not face visa availability issues any more no matter how many visas are wasted each year from now on. The wait times for these applications going forward will be decided by how fast USCIS can process this inventory. There are 10,727 applicants during July 2009 to April 2010 based on the most recent available I-486 inventory report. Some more applicants will be added to this number as the dates move forward. But the spillover will be so big and the demand from ROW employment based categories will be so subdued next year due to recession, that even with wastage, there will be no shortage of visas. It all comes down to how fast they can process the inventory now. Gone are the days with 2 days movement per visa bulletin for EB2I. Hopefully the most pessimistic Spec will also agree with this thought process!

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    We should not have to wait until the end of the year to know what's going to happen next; just until the night of Nov 3.

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    Does EO effect Travel on EAD/ Advance Parole document? My EAD & Advance parole card is issued in 2019 and valid until 2021.

    I have flight tomorrow from India . Kindly advise thank you

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    My EAD/AP is under renewal so does that mean we're not going to get renewals and if we get...can AP be used to travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by march1612 View Post
    Does EO effect Travel on EAD/ Advance Parole document? My EAD & Advance parole card is issued in 2019 and valid until 2021.

    I have flight tomorrow from India . Kindly advise thank you
    You are absolutely fine. Have a safe flight back!

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    IMO, it doesn't matter how many visas we get from FB for FY 21. What matters is how many new cases USCIS can process for AOS applicants in FY 21. The already interviewed cases for EB-3 and no-interview requirement cases for EB-2 will soon evaporate. Besides that they need new I-485 filings to use the new supply. Even with full fledged USCIS staff, they won't be able to match the supply. Forget about reduced USCIS staff to fulfill the total supply along with interview requirements. The filing dates for Oct 1,2020 is the important one. If that doesn't cross 2010, I don't see a way USCIS is going to use the new supply for the year 2021. 25K visa wastage in FY 20 will turn into something like 30-40K visa wastage in FY 21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by march1612 View Post
    Does EO effect Travel on EAD/ Advance Parole document? My EAD & Advance parole card is issued in 2019 and valid until 2021.

    I have flight tomorrow from India . Kindly advise thank you
    Wish you a safe flight. Once you arrive, can you please write down your experience in term of travel in Covid-situation? Somebody I know is travelling back in a few days and will appreciate your notes. All the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    Wish you a safe flight. Once you arrive, can you please write down your experience in term of travel in Covid-situation? Somebody I know is travelling back in a few days and will appreciate your notes. All the best.
    qesehmk,

    Sure I will share my experience

    Sorry for repeating the question I have flight tomorrow

    Can you confirm if Advance Parole document is eligible for traveling back to the US with new EO?

    My EAD & Advance parole card is issued in 2019 and valid until 2021.

  16. #6441
    Cudnt agree more! It cud actually be 30K visas per category in EB!

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    Quote Originally Posted by march1612 View Post
    qesehmk,

    Sure I will share my experience

    Sorry for repeating the question I have flight tomorrow

    Can you confirm if Advance Parole document is eligible for traveling back to the US with new EO?

    My EAD & Advance parole card is issued in 2019 and valid until 2021.
    somebody else already responded that you are good to go. I am not as current on latest things on AP ... but I don't see any reason why your AP is not valid. You should be able to enter without problems.
    I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
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    I third that! There is no problem for existing AP holders as a matter of fact existing H1B holders as long as the visa stamp is valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenzone View Post
    I third that! There is no problem for existing AP holders as a matter of fact existing H1B holders as long as the visa stamp is valid.


    Yes, I am stuck. Have valid renewed petition but expired visa stamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by march1612 View Post
    qesehmk,

    Sure I will share my experience

    Sorry for repeating the question I have flight tomorrow

    Can you confirm if Advance Parole document is eligible for traveling back to the US with new EO?

    My EAD & Advance parole card is issued in 2019 and valid until 2021.
    From the proclamation:

    Sec. 3. Scope of Suspension and Limitation on Entry.

    (a) The suspension and limitation on entry pursuant to section 2 of this proclamation shall apply only to any alien who:

    (i) is outside the United States on the effective date of this proclamation;

    (ii) does not have a nonimmigrant visa that is valid on the effective date of this proclamation; and

    (iii) does not have an official travel document other than a visa (such as a transportation letter, an appropriate boarding foil, or an advance parole document) that is valid on the effective date of this proclamation or issued on any date thereafter that permits him or her to travel to the United States and seek entry or admission.
    Sec. 7. Effective Date.

    Except as provided in section 1 of this proclamation, this proclamation is effective at 12:01 a.m. eastern daylight time on June 24, 2020.
    You must determine whether you fit the exceptions outlined in the proclamation. I encourage you to read it in full.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    From the proclamation:




    You must determine whether you fit the exceptions outlined in the proclamation. I encourage you to read it in full.
    Spectator,

    I have EAD and Advance Parole combo card valid from September 2019- September 2021.

    Let me know if this meets the proclamation requirements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmys View Post
    IMO, it doesn't matter how many visas we get from FB for FY 21. What matters is how many new cases USCIS can process for AOS applicants in FY 21. The already interviewed cases for EB-3 and no-interview requirement cases for EB-2 will soon evaporate. Besides that they need new I-485 filings to use the new supply. Even with full fledged USCIS staff, they won't be able to match the supply. Forget about reduced USCIS staff to fulfill the total supply along with interview requirements. The filing dates for Oct 1,2020 is the important one. If that doesn't cross 2010, I don't see a way USCIS is going to use the new supply for the year 2021. 25K visa wastage in FY 20 will turn into something like 30-40K visa wastage in FY 21.
    I am willing to forget the entire spillover from FB. EB2 ROW demand will be very subdued next year giving EB2I a good horizontal spill over. Also, when you say USCIS will waste 30-40K visas in FY 21 because the agency wasted 25K visas this year due to lock down, you are expecting another lock down next year (?) No matter how many visas will be wasted next year, I am still thinking EB2I up to April 2010 is in the clear. If not, then FY 2022 will certainly take care of the currently pending inventory. So, the wait is no longer than 1-2 years now. And while we are waiting, enjoy monthly visa bulletins movement, some times two weeks, sometimes a month and you keep getting closer and closer! It's going to be fun! More restrictive Trump EO is actually a good news for people waiting for their green cards for a decade now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karanjohar View Post
    Hello Spectator,

    My question is also related to the EB visa carry over. Is it possible for EB visas to be used for the next FY. If yes, which part of INA is this mentioned?
    The answer is no, bar congress amending the INA (as the HEROES House Bill seeks to do).

    The INA specifies that any unused EB visas in a FY are used in the calculation of the next FY allocation for FB.

    This is spelt out in INA 201 (c) or US Code 8 U.S.C. 1151 (c)
    (c) Worldwide level of family-sponsored immigrants

    (1)(A) The worldwide level of family-sponsored immigrants under this subsection for a fiscal year is, subject to subparagraph (B), equal to-

    (i) 480,000, minus

    (ii) the sum of the number computed under paragraph (2) and the number computed under paragraph (4), plus

    (iii) the number (if any) computed under paragraph (3).

    (B)(i) For each of fiscal years 1992, 1993, and 1994, 465,000 shall be substituted for 480,000 in subparagraph (A)(i).

    (ii) In no case shall the number computed under subparagraph (A) be less than 226,000.

    (2) The number computed under this paragraph for a fiscal year is the sum of the number of aliens described in subparagraphs (A) and (B) of subsection (b)(2) who were issued immigrant visas or who otherwise acquired the status of aliens lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence in the previous fiscal year.

    (3)(A) The number computed under this paragraph for fiscal year 1992 is zero.

    (B) The number computed under this paragraph for fiscal year 1993 is the difference (if any) between the worldwide level established under paragraph (1) for the previous fiscal year and the number of visas issued under section 1153(a) of this title during that fiscal year.

    (C) The number computed under this paragraph for a subsequent fiscal year is the difference (if any) between the maximum number of visas which may be issued under section 1153(b) of this title (relating to employment-based immigrants) during the previous fiscal year and the number of visas issued under that section during that year.

    Note: 1153(b) refers to INA 203(b) which is (b) Preference allocation for employment-based immigrants where the 28.6% and 7.1% limits for EB1 EB5 are laid out.

    (4) The number computed under this paragraph for a fiscal year (beginning with fiscal year 1999) is the number of aliens who were paroled into the United States under section 1182(d)(5) of this title in the second preceding fiscal year-

    (A) who did not depart from the United States (without advance parole) within 365 days; and

    (B) who (i) did not acquire the status of aliens lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence in the two preceding fiscal years, or (ii) acquired such status in such years under a provision of law (other than subsection (b)) which exempts such adjustment from the numerical limitation on the worldwide level of immigration under this section.

    (5) If any alien described in paragraph (4) (other than an alien described in paragraph (4)(B)(ii)) is subsequently admitted as an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence, such alien shall not again be considered for purposes of paragraph (1).
    Similarly, INA 201 (d) or US Code 8 U.S.C. 1151 (d) specifies that unused FB visas in a FY shall be added to the EB allocation in the following FY.

    (d) Worldwide level of employment-based immigrants

    (1) The worldwide level of employment-based immigrants under this subsection for a fiscal year is equal to-

    (A) 140,000, plus

    (B) the number computed under paragraph (2).

    (2)(A) The number computed under this paragraph for fiscal year 1992 is zero.

    (B) The number computed under this paragraph for fiscal year 1993 is the difference (if any) between the worldwide level established under paragraph (1) for the previous fiscal year and the number of visas issued under section 1153(b) of this title during that fiscal year.

    (C) The number computed under this paragraph for a subsequent fiscal year is the difference (if any) between the maximum number of visas which may be issued under section 1153(a) of this title (relating to family-sponsored immigrants) during the previous fiscal year and the number of visas issued under that section during that year.
    You can find the text here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vedu View Post
    I am willing to forget the entire spillover from FB. EB2 ROW demand will be very subdued next year giving EB2I a good horizontal spill over. Also, when you say USCIS will waste 30-40K visas in FY 21 because the agency wasted 25K visas this year due to lock down, you are expecting another lock down next year (?) No matter how many visas will be wasted next year, I am still thinking EB2I up to April 2010 is in the clear. If not, then FY 2022 will certainly take care of the currently pending inventory. So, the wait is no longer than 1-2 years now. And while we are waiting, enjoy monthly visa bulletins movement, some times two weeks, sometimes a month and you keep getting closer and closer! It's going to be fun! More restrictive Trump EO is actually a good news for people waiting for their green cards for a decade now.
    I don't expect another lockdown. USCIS is reducing their workforce. With reduced workforce, I'm not sure they can service 200K EB cases expected for FY 21 with interview requirements. All the pending inventory will be cleared for EB2 India sooner rather than later. My question was how the new inventory is built (and when).

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    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    Wish you a safe flight. Once you arrive, can you please write down your experience in term of travel in Covid-situation? Somebody I know is travelling back in a few days and will appreciate your notes. All the best.
    You may find below useful:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...UDYMKyAko8Np0c

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