Bills, Rules & Politics

[qesehmk]

"Rep. Meng – The amendment allows unused FY20 diversity visas, employment visas, and family-based visas to remain available in FY21 in addition to what would otherwise be available for FY21, and allows any unused visas at the end of FY21 to remain available during FY22. The amendment was adopted by voice vote."

Thoughts?

Do you see that this is just one taiwanese american looking after her people's interest from taiwan in FB category.

What's with the Indian American lawmakers ? Dems or Reps?

Shows the fallacy of so called "Advocacy efforts" by IV. There is no advocacy. They are totally irrelevant.

[smuggymba]

Do you see that this is just one taiwanese american looking after her people's interest from taiwan in FB category.

What's with the Indian American lawmakers ? Dems or Reps?

Shows the fallacy of so called "Advocacy efforts" by IV. There is no advocacy. They are totally irrelevant.

We all know how much you hate IV for whatever reasons but it's not their fault if Indian-Americans like Pramila/Ro et all don't "openly" support or introduce bills benefiting Indians.

The Indian-American politicians actually go above an beyond to not show their Indian-ness...it has nothing to do with IV. It's old and established behavior and mentality even before IV came into existence.

[qesehmk]

We all know how much you hate IV for whatever reasons but it's not their fault if Indian-Americans like Pramila/Ro et all don't "openly" support or introduce bills benefiting Indians.

The Indian-American politicians actually go above an beyond to not show their Indian-ness...it has nothing to do with IV. It's old and established behavior and mentality even before IV came into existence.

If you think rationally instead of seeing hate in this you would try to test this as a hypothesis.
1) Have indian lawmakers opposed it.? - Answer - not that we know of.
2) Does IV claim advocacy? - Yes '
3) If IV didn't try - why? May be this at least supports my hypothesis.
4) If IV did try and fail - this directly proves my hypothesis.

In case of #4 an interesting question to ask (think beyond hate) why advocacy can fail? One possible answer is that most of the Indian lawmakers are from california and washington and they don't want to go against tech companies.

I honestly have ZERO vested interest in you getting a GC. And yet I bother to spend my time and post something that will give you direction. Honestly people like you don't deserve it (my advice).

[4WatItsWorth]

I honestly have ZERO vested interest in you getting a GC. And yet I bother to spend my time and post something that will give you direction. Honestly people like you don't deserve it.

You are one angry man (or woman), I think! It’s unfortunate to see this forum becoming another trackitt. There, at least, the owner is not directly attacking people himself (at least not openly). BTW, you are running a forum with ads and also selling a subscription. So, there is a vested interest, I guess. And, after waiting for more than a decade, OP deserves some sympathy, and their green card.

[qesehmk]

You are one angry man (or woman), I think! It’s unfortunate to see this forum becoming another trackitt. There, at least, the owner is not directly attacking people himself (at least not openly). BTW, you are running a forum with ads and also selling a subscription. So, there is a vested interest, I guess. And, after waiting for more than a decade, OP deserves some sympathy, and their green card.

Believe me this is not by any stretch of imagination my primary source of income. If you dont believe me try doing it yourself. People have offered donations to run this site that I have declined because the ads pay for the server cost and that's enough. I don't want to profit off of this site. Generally speaking if my mind was on money I would never post. But I am passionate about this injustice and that reflects in my posts.

You can compare this to other forums and that's fair. We run this in a civil transparent and objective manner. Unlike other forums we never delete a post (unless it is spam advertisement). But when you run a large forum all kinds of fools show up. And I agree I don't tolerate fools easily.

So lets just focus on the question "Why none of the indian lawmakers are on board with the plight of almost a million desi folks ?". It's a worthwhile thing to ponder. It is 10 times easier to have five indian lawmakers strike down Meng's amendment that remove country caps. Just saying ...

[AceMan]

I honestly have ZERO vested interest in you getting a GC. And yet I bother to spend my time and post something that will give you direction. Honestly people like you don't deserve it.

Q, this is unbecoming of you. I personally had disagreement with person to whom you responded in the past.

However you run a website, and giving an opinion that he don't deserve a GC is biased and totally uncalled for.

[qesehmk]

Q, this is unbecoming of you. I personally had disagreement with person to whom you responded in the past.

However you run a website, and giving an opinion that he don't deserve a GC is biased and totally uncalled for.

Ace - I said he doesn't deserve my advice.

[AceMan]

Thanks for clarifying it. As you can see another person had the same doubt.
I know you are passionate and pretty strong views which I am in agreement most of the times. As a former IV supporter I see their recent actions totally dishonest, distasteful.

The leadership coterie should move to Margdarshak roles, instead of running the stale old arguments.

[qesehmk]

Thanks for clarifying it. As you can see another person had the same doubt.
I know you are passionate and pretty strong views which I am in agreement most of the times. As a former IV supporter I see their recent actions totally dishonest, distasteful.

The leadership coterie should move to Margdarshak roles, instead of running the stale old arguments.

No worries Ace. IV can do what they want. Honestly all I am trying to do is to continuously stress that all stars are and will be aligned against H1B desi folks unless they act.

We can either accept it or fight it. But having right perspective and grasp of the problem is key.

Just FYI for everybody - in case some of you actually want to do different kind of advocacy, here is an inspiring story of a desi girl I recently came across.

The name is Kshama Sawant. She came to the US sometime around 2006. And she has completely changed the dialogue around minimum wage in the US. Because of her now everybody in the US is talking about minimum wage at $15. Google her. She is in Seattle. If some of you are in seattle, and want to do your own advocacy, go and see her and just talk to her. She may not have any advice on immigration. But I am sure you will be inspired.

[4WatItsWorth]

I saw you clarified what you meant.

[AceMan]

No worries Ace. IV can do what they want. Honestly all I am trying to do is to continuously stress that all stars are and will be aligned against H1B desi folks unless they act.

We can either accept it or fight it. But having right perspective and grasp of the problem is key.

H1 Desi folks beyond 2015 has to different perspective, compared to people before 2010 which happened to my time frame. We were 2nd hand Honda Civic/Accord Toyota Corolla/Camry crowd when we came in. The younger guys more risk taking (purely my opinion) with BMW's/ Merc's/Jags/Audi's. They don't need our perspective who according them don't know to work hard, earn more and party hard.

Just FYI for everybody - in case some of you actually want to do different kind of advocacy, here is an inspiring story of a desi girl I recently came across.

The name is Kshama Sawant. She came to the US sometime around 2006. And she has completely changed the dialogue around minimum wage in the US. Because of her now everybody in the US is talking about minimum wage at $15. Google her. She is in Seattle. If some of you are in seattle, and want to do your own advocacy, go and see her and just talk to her. She may not have any advice on immigration. But I am sure you will be inspired.

Will check her details. I am based at NYC. It does not stop me, from following a person who can inspire.

[qesehmk]

The younger guys more risk taking (purely my opinion) with BMW's/ Merc's/Jags/Audi's. They don't need our perspective who according them don't know to work hard, earn more and party hard.

True! My wife's nephew is pursuing MBA. He is on F1. Covid doesn't matter. Gets two internships and that too in strategy.
The younger folks are more informed and go getters. All power to them!

[Blue_fairy]

No worries Ace. IV can do what they want. Honestly all I am trying to do is to continuously stress that all stars are and will be aligned against H1B desi folks unless they act.

We can either accept it or fight it. But having right perspective and grasp of the problem is key.

Just FYI for everybody - in case some of you actually want to do different kind of advocacy, here is an inspiring story of a desi girl I recently came across.

The name is Kshama Sawant. She came to the US sometime around 2006. And she has completely changed the dialogue around minimum wage in the US. Because of her now everybody in the US is talking about minimum wage at $15. Google her. She is in Seattle. If some of you are in seattle, and want to do your own advocacy, go and see her and just talk to her. She may not have any advice on immigration. But I am sure you will be inspired.

Lol.. most of us here in Seattle want her out for doing what she is doing. She is a socialist pest, nothing less nothing more.

[smuggymba]

If you think rationally instead of seeing hate in this you would try to test this as a hypothesis.
1) Have indian lawmakers opposed it.? - Answer - not that we know of.
2) Does IV claim advocacy? - Yes '
3) If IV didn't try - why? May be this at least supports my hypothesis.
4) If IV did try and fail - this directly proves my hypothesis.

In case of #4 an interesting question to ask (think beyond hate) why advocacy can fail? One possible answer is that most of the Indian lawmakers are from california and washington and they don't want to go against tech companies.

I honestly have ZERO vested interest in you getting a GC. And yet I bother to spend my time and post something that will give you direction. Honestly people like you don't deserve it (my advice).

Let me clear Q - I'm not an active supporter of IV; have donated in the past and might do in future just because I like their agenda (I don't like how they talk/send the message). In fact, I have visited the congressman office on my own too and never with IV.

So the 4 questions you asked me - I don't give a shot since I'm not an IV spokesperson. Go and ask them directly if you want.

Your problem is - anyone who mentions the word IV, it triggers the badmouth in you. I know you from the days you used of post calculations on IV website and know you had a clear fallout with them and I don't care. I joined this forum in 2011 (9 years ago) because of the info/discussions and no BS like trackitt.

I know it's "your" website; you don't need to repeat that.

My original comment was about how careless Indian-American politicians are towards Indians but you took it out of context because I mentioned IV. I even remember that days when you had the word "IV" censored to "**". Again, the point was Rep Meng is looking out for her lobby and rightly so and Indian-American politicians are not and have never and never will. This has nothing to do with IV.

[qesehmk]

Lol.. most of us here in Seattle want her out for doing what she is doing. She is a socialist pest, nothing less nothing more.

Most people in Seattle elected her to the city council. So definitely wrong on that one.

She is a socialist - correct. An unabashed one. Although I am not a socialist I admire her because she already has made an impact on MILLIONS of americans because quite a few businesses bumped min wage to $15 !!!! You must be out of your mind to call her a pest.

A pest - lets see is - a corrupt politician, a corrupt businessman, all kinds of religious leaders not productive to society, smoking ganja, raping kids and women. There may be others too. This list is not exhaustive of course. But I feel sorry that you consider her a pest.

[qesehmk]

Your problem is - anyone who mentions the word IV, it triggers the badmouth in you.

smuggy - nobody mentioned IV other than me. It's you who attacked me for mentioning them. While I have very poor opinion of them, I still wish them well. My point was to point out the fallacy behind the work they do.

I know it's "your" website; you don't need to repeat that.

While technically and legally that is true - I never said so. I have always treated this a community website and me being a custodian. At least two dozen people have actively contributed to maintaining this (totally FREE) and we have acknowledged them right on the home page.

However let me end this by saying if somebody puts a thought forward, then we should stay on the thought instead of going in many different directions. Let me put a useful thought and hopefully you might agree.

There are two ways lawmakers can be pursuaded. 1) Big money 2) Public opinion.

We are not big money. But we can sway public opinion. In my opinion there will be millions of Americans who will find country quota as very unamerican thing. So it will be worthwhile for any advocacy to work towards that. Congress will follow. Just look at DACA. More Americans support it than oppose it. It will take 2 3 years but it will bear fruit someday.

[delguy]

If you think rationally instead of seeing hate in this you would try to test this as a hypothesis.
1) Have indian lawmakers opposed it.? - Answer - not that we know of.
2) Does IV claim advocacy? - Yes '
3) If IV didn't try - why? May be this at least supports my hypothesis.
4) If IV did try and fail - this directly proves my hypothesis.

In case of #4 an interesting question to ask (think beyond hate) why advocacy can fail? One possible answer is that most of the Indian lawmakers are from california and washington and they don't want to go against tech companies.

I honestly have ZERO vested interest in you getting a GC. And yet I bother to spend my time and post something that will give you direction. Honestly people like you don't deserve it (my advice).

Though you have good points Q but I think the problem is with the backlogged community itself. Not only IV but many orgs came up in last few years to resolve the backlogged issue and failed. Even IV telegram has hardly 1800 members and I doubt if even 500 of them are active ones. We have probably half a million impacted by these backlogs and visa issues and even if 50K from them start giving some time to advocacy, I am sure it will be resolved. That wont happen though. After looking at it closely, I doubt the issue will be resolved by so called advocacy efforts, unless as a part of broader immigration fix for DACA.

[smuggymba]

There are two ways lawmakers can be pursuaded. 1) Big money 2) Public opinion.

1.) Big Money - Indians don't open their wallets easily. Like I mentioned earlier, I have donated in the past to IV but even my donations aren't enough (I have donated $700.00 in the last 8-9 years which even I'm not proud of). We're willing to spend 5K on laywer but not on lobbying. There's scope of improvement in $$$ area for every Indian stuck in backlog.

I have 5 friends with PD after mine and they have donated a total of $0.00 in their entire life. Per them, money can't do anything; it's about luck

2.) Public Opinion - Some good work has been done here over the last few years e.g. CEO's of Salesforce/Apple tweeting support for removing country caps. I actually met Tony Prophet, who is Salesforce's diversity officer (ran into him at a lounge @ Tokyo airport last year) and introduced myself and thanked him for the support to remove country caps. He was very pleased and said he will continue to raise his voice. Despite resistance on the ground many republicans have supported HR1044. I was looking at the FB feed of Dan Crenshaw (Rep from Texas) and there's nothing but hatred for his support of HR1044 and he actually made a video for his constituents to tell them about HR1044. So, overall some progress has been made and we should thank both Dems and Reps on both sides of the aisle. You don't pass a bill without public opinion so that's a big win.

Now, no one can't convince a complete hardcore opponent who hates immigrants no matter what - no amount of money and public opinion (e.g. Durbin) can't change them.

We can spend 1000 dollars each and file lawsuits in every county in the country and maybe that will lead to a national level class action suit - but if it were that easy, it would have been done by now (there are voices that say it's DoA and some say it should be tried). I would love to part of one.

[qesehmk]

Though you have good points Q but I think the problem is with the backlogged community itself. Not only IV but many orgs came up in last few years to resolve the backlogged issue and failed. Even IV telegram has hardly 1800 members and I doubt if even 500 of them are active ones. We have probably half a million impacted by these backlogs and visa issues and even if 50K from them start giving some time to advocacy, I am sure it will be resolved. That wont happen though. After looking at it closely, I doubt the issue will be resolved by so called advocacy efforts, unless as a part of broader immigration fix for DACA.

Sorry to hear that. And that's why those who choose to protest and stand up for themselves are special. What you say is sadly true.

[qesehmk]

I have donated in the past to IV but even my donations aren't enough (I have donated $700.00 in the last 8-9 years which even I'm not proud of). ..

I applaud you Smuggy. Whether it is $20 or $700, a donation is a donation. I also applaud you for actively seeking support from senior leaders at workplace.

Big Money means businesses that buy influence. EB-Indians can never buy influence. Buying influence is a different game. e.g. most of the energy and DoT policy or direction of defense budget is driven by big money and American people are rarely involved. This is legal corruption.

Lawsuits could be a good way to generate public opinion. So even if EB-I loses lawsuits, media will take note. Opinions - for and against will be made. People will become more sympathetic. This is doable. Public opinion can also be shaped by writing articles, facebook posts, even TV ads and paid media, townhalls etc. There are 1.5 million Indian American citizens who will help. But it requires focus, intensity and structure within the community that is affected first hand i.e. H1B and GC applicants. If I were IV , I would create a framework to generate public opinion and let state chapters drive actions. Everywhere transparency and democracy is the key. Somehow IV is quite secretive and IMHO it has hurt their cause.

I think approaching leadership for support is an interesting experience. In my experience the higher you go, the leader never takes a stance on public issue unless he is sure that is where the wind is blowing. So building public opinion becomes all the more important other than striking on country quota in a court of law (if that were feasible).

[idliman]

The delay in issuing the VB is making me think that something is cooking behind the scenes. Let me type something crazy. A rumor in immigration attorney circles is that DT’s new EO is going to make VB current for all of India, allowing everyone to get EADs. The rumor (the person) was obviously excited to share / discuss this with me. The rumor was not specific as to FD or FA. I immediately questioned the rumor (the person) and gave my analysis, that EO / CO are in perfect position to make EB-I current. There is no demand and GCs are still remaining. I told the rumor to not get very excited and said the show is being run by Stephen Miller who had dedicated his life to make sure that EB-I people are forced to self deport.

I did not want to make everyone excited in predictions forum. So, decided to post in Politics. While, I hope that this might become true and everyone gets benefits, I am not impacted by this.

What a crazy day!

[EB32010]

The delay in issuing the VB is making me think that something is cooking behind the scenes. Let me type something crazy. A rumor in immigration attorney circles is that DT’s new EO is going to make VB current for all of India, allowing everyone to get EADs. The rumor (the person) was obviously excited to share / discuss this with me. The rumor was not specific as to FD or FA. I immediately questioned the rumor (the person) and gave my analysis, that EO / CO are in perfect position to make EB-I current. There is no demand and GCs are still remaining. I told the rumor to not get very excited and said the show is being run by Stephen Miller who had dedicated his life to make sure that EB-I people are forced to self deport.

I did not want to make everyone excited in predictions forum. So, decided to post in Politics. While, I hope that this might become true and everyone gets benefits, I am not impacted by this.

What a crazy day!

How reliable is “rumor”?

[idliman]

How reliable is “rumor”?

I have no reason to suspect any foul play by the rumor (the person) or his 2nd degree source. Lets call the person “source”. The "source" was obviously very excited and like all girls/guys who came recently (5-6 years), did not have GC on her/his radar. Some people are happy with their H1B's when they cannot foresee GC's (unlike pre 2010/2011 folks). Maybe I should have asked her/him to find out the law firm this came from.

OK, Lets discuss the points from “Psychology of Rumors” published in 1947.

1. People Spread Rumors When There’s Uncertainty
   Not valid for the source.
2. People Spread Rumors When They Feel Anxiety
   Not valid for the source.
3. People Spread Rumors When the Information is Important
   Valid.
4. People Spread Rumors When They Believe the Information
   Valid
5. People Spread Rumors When it Helps Their Self-Image
   Not Valid.
6. People Spread Rumors When it Helps Their Social Status
   Not Valid.

It is 2 out of 6. Psychology major's please chime in.

I think there is a chance that this *might* be true. EO's and other things take time to evolve and this might have been discussed at some point of time. The information is true at a point in time and might not be true now. Whether this will materialize after being screened by multiple people from the admin and eventually decided by "The Donald", is anyone's guess. You should remember that the current admin has a history of claiming victory, when something goes in their favor naturally without any of their actions. They are good at claiming "I did it". The visa processing was already at a stand-still in consulates due to Covid, before the EO came.

Good Night. Peace.

[Blue_fairy]

Most people in Seattle elected her to the city council. So definitely wrong on that one.

She is a socialist - correct. An unabashed one. Although I am not a socialist I admire her because she already has made an impact on MILLIONS of americans because quite a few businesses bumped min wage to $15 !!!! You must be out of your mind to call her a pest.

A pest - lets see is - a corrupt politician, a corrupt businessman, all kinds of religious leaders not productive to society, smoking ganja, raping kids and women. There may be others too. This list is not exhaustive of course. But I feel sorry that you consider her a pest.

Sure, I should have said most people in the tech industry don't align with her way of thinking. Kshama makes all kind of statements to stay relevant - and the noise you hear in the news is just a part of her plan. The committee that passed minimum wage law in Seattle had 24 members (including kshama) working with the mayor. Contrary to what you may believe, Kshama doesn't have the kind of pull here that is required to force an agenda on 23 committee members.

[qesehmk]

Sure, I should have said most people in the tech industry don't align with her way of thinking. Kshama makes all kind of statements to stay relevant - and the noise you hear in the news is just a part of her plan. The committee that passed minimum wage law in Seattle had 24 members (including kshama) working with the mayor. Contrary to what you may believe, Kshama doesn't have the kind of pull here that is required to force an agenda on 23 committee members.

The reality is that she was the first one to propose $15 min wage and she made it happen. Of course you do need other votes. But nobody before her dared to envision it. Today even Biden has subscribed to the idea and is part of his manifesto.

Even if you and I are not socialist - I find it inspiring that coming from India she made a huge policy impact by directly engaging people.