Bills, Rules & Politics

[qesehmk]

Its easy to say this. I would treat this as a rumor AND NOTHING MORE as of now. When panic meter goes up it crosses irrationality levels very quick. Also pardoning Flynn is very different from what we are talking about. Anyways I won't argue with you. One of the reasons why I liked this forum because it was lot more rational (I thought) and less emotion based.

Of course Zen. These are just opinions ... Everyone is wise to make their own determinations. Take it easy!

[sportsfan33]

I can tell you with certainty that the draconian H1B pipe dream of Stephen Miller has 0% chance of passing.

Practically speaking - business will cease to function in the US.

I work for a fairly large organization in the DMV area. My team has ~14 members, 11 of them are contractors on the H1B. If there was a wide H1B impacting move, overnight, the whole thing will collapse. Our team also does important work (so I would like to think) that feeds into the organization which itself does important work (so I would like to believe). Without the H1B brains powering this rocket, it ain't taking off. It will just crash and burn.

I am not a political partisan. I have trained myself very painfully over the years to objectively analyze data. (On a separate topic, I didn't used to be like this - I was very emotional and only argued things one way). I can see objectively there are certain painful things the administration must do to curtail the abuse of the system, and increase the economic opportunity for the American citizens. The kind of immigration abuses I have seen over the years have been nothing short of scandalous and embarrassing (if their true extent were to come out and completely understood by the American people).

But you know what? I have seen the bad apples in the system overwhelmingly outweighed by the good apples. By and large, people are honest, hardworking and smart. They will appreciate the opportunity, take that opportunity to better themselves, and when enough of them do it in large numbers, that creates the engine of innovation and economic prosperity - this is the pinnacle of the US tradition and the essence of America.

While there are horrible and ugly things about the Democrats (the latest Obama scandal non-withstanding - on a separate topic, I am sure all presidents have spied on their opponents - remains to be seen how much this controversy holds up), it seems like Republicans/Trump are simply incapable or even unwilling to understand what has worked for America. I cannot shake the feeling that there could be deep rooted bias and racism under the hood quite plainly. People will tolerate BLM protests, they will tolerate statues toppling, and they might even tolerate governors telling them to wear masks in public (the horror!!). But one thing that will scare the shit out of all - the prospects on hard right to gain and consolidate any kind of meaningful power. I know several openly Republican Desis and even they will shit their pants if they can even comprehend what this means to their lives.

No, the H1Bs are too entrenched, the numbers are too big, and the prospect of damage to the business at large and localities everywhere (in form of nosediving house prices and lost tax revenue) completely prohibit the Stephen Miller/NumbersUSA pipe dream from becoming a reality.

One can hope.

[Zenzone]

Of course Zen. These are just opinions ... Everyone is wise to make their own determinations. Take it easy!

No worries. I think many of us are used to pack up and leave suggestions that are made in Trackit for example. I personally don't take them seriously. Peace!

[Zenzone]

I can tell you with certainty that the draconian H1B pipe dream of Stephen Miller has 0% chance of passing.

Practically speaking - business will cease to function in the US.

I work for a fairly large organization in the DMV area. My team has ~14 members, 11 of them are contractors on the H1B. If there was a wide H1B impacting move, overnight, the whole thing will collapse. Our team also does important work (so I would like to think) that feeds into the organization which itself does important work (so I would like to believe). Without the H1B brains powering this rocket, it ain't taking off. It will just crash and burn.

I am not a political partisan. I have trained myself very painfully over the years to objectively analyze data. (On a separate topic, I didn't used to be like this - I was very emotional and only argued things one way). I can see objectively there are certain painful things the administration must do to curtail the abuse of the system, and increase the economic opportunity for the American citizens. The kind of immigration abuses I have seen over the years have been nothing short of scandalous and embarrassing (if their true extent were to come out and completely understood by the American people).

But you know what? I have seen the bad apples in the system overwhelmingly outweighed by the good apples. By and large, people are honest, hardworking and smart. They will appreciate the opportunity, take that opportunity to better themselves, and when enough of them do it in large numbers, that creates the engine of innovation and economic prosperity - this is the pinnacle of the US tradition and the essence of America.

While there are horrible and ugly things about the Democrats (the latest Obama scandal non-withstanding - on a separate topic, I am sure all presidents have spied on their opponents - remains to be seen how much this controversy holds up), it seems like Republicans/Trump are simply incapable or even unwilling to understand what has worked for America. I cannot shake the feeling that there could be deep rooted bias and racism under the hood quite plainly. People will tolerate BLM protests, they will tolerate statues toppling, and they might even tolerate governors telling them to wear masks in public (the horror!!). But one thing that will scare the shit out of all - the prospects on hard right to gain and consolidate any kind of meaningful power. I know several openly Republican Desis and even they will shit their pants if they can even comprehend what this means to their lives.

No, the H1Bs are too entrenched, the numbers are too big, and the prospect of damage to the business at large and localities everywhere (in form of nosediving house prices and lost tax revenue) completely prohibit the Stephen Miller/NumbersUSA pipe dream from becoming a reality.

One can hope.

Agree that! We are 120+ days from the election and being purely rational here it takes longer than that to do rule-making. Another important tactical point to not forget. Separately, if polls are any close to the semblance of truth there is no chance for the hard right to consolidate their powers.

[qesehmk]

No worries. I think many of us are used to pack up and leave suggestions that are made in Trackit for example. I personally don't take them seriously. Peace!

Seriously? That's what you read in my post?

[Zenzone]

Seriously? That's what you read in my post?

Oops...My tone is lost in my text I guess. I was literally typin that wid a chcuckle. Not at all buddy. I know you have so much empathy (and now more emotion) perhaps

[qesehmk]

I can tell you with certainty that the draconian H1B pipe dream of Stephen Miller has 0% chance of passing.

Practically speaking - business will cease to function in the US.

I work for a fairly large organization in the DMV area. My team has ~14 members, 11 of them are contractors on the H1B. If there was a wide H1B impacting move, overnight, the whole thing will collapse. Our team also does important work (so I would like to think) that feeds into the organization which itself does important work (so I would like to believe). Without the H1B brains powering this rocket, it ain't taking off. It will just crash and burn.

I am not a political partisan. I have trained myself very painfully over the years to objectively analyze data. (On a separate topic, I didn't used to be like this - I was very emotional and only argued things one way). I can see objectively there are certain painful things the administration must do to curtail the abuse of the system, and increase the economic opportunity for the American citizens. The kind of immigration abuses I have seen over the years have been nothing short of scandalous and embarrassing (if their true extent were to come out and completely understood by the American people).

But you know what? I have seen the bad apples in the system overwhelmingly outweighed by the good apples. By and large, people are honest, hardworking and smart. They will appreciate the opportunity, take that opportunity to better themselves, and when enough of them do it in large numbers, that creates the engine of innovation and economic prosperity - this is the pinnacle of the US tradition and the essence of America.

While there are horrible and ugly things about the Democrats (the latest Obama scandal non-withstanding - on a separate topic, I am sure all presidents have spied on their opponents - remains to be seen how much this controversy holds up), it seems like Republicans/Trump are simply incapable or even unwilling to understand what has worked for America. I cannot shake the feeling that there could be deep rooted bias and racism under the hood quite plainly. People will tolerate BLM protests, they will tolerate statues toppling, and they might even tolerate governors telling them to wear masks in public (the horror!!). But one thing that will scare the shit out of all - the prospects on hard right to gain and consolidate any kind of meaningful power. I know several openly Republican Desis and even they will shit their pants if they can even comprehend what this means to their lives.

No, the H1Bs are too entrenched, the numbers are too big, and the prospect of damage to the business at large and localities everywhere (in form of nosediving house prices and lost tax revenue) completely prohibit the Stephen Miller/NumbersUSA pipe dream from becoming a reality.

One can hope.

Extremely well written Sport. I am more or less in the same camp as you.

However, my faith in Market having positive influence over DC is shaken of late.

Trump administration has taken so many decisions social economic geopolitical that are suicidal irrational. He has waged war against Bezos. Under normal circumstances politicians are incredibly in line with big money because money could easily sway elections. But trump is not subject to that and thus is a dark horse free to do what he wants. Thus they (big money) is all falling in line. There doesn't seem be the invisible hand of the rich and the powerful. Zuckerberg has all but surrendered to the right wing and if you notice, Musk who famously resigned from Trump's economic advisory council, is now twitting "Take the red pill" (a code word for "move to the right"). So I am no longer sure about America's ability in the short term to be discerning about its own strengths. The times are very turbulent.

[qesehmk]

Oops...My tone is lost in my text I guess. I was literally typin that wid a chcuckle. Not at all buddy. I know you have so much empathy (and now more emotion) perhaps

We are good.

I have always believed in power of emotion! Of course its a two edged sword. As you observed, our opinions are one thing. But our goal in this forum is to have a constructive discussion so that immigrants don't feel lost. If they have some clarity and some sense of brotherhood - the forum is on the right path.

[Zenzone]

We are good.

I have always believed in power of emotion! Of course its a two edged sword. As you observed, our opinions are one thing. But our goal in this forum is to have a constructive discussion so that immigrants don't feel lost. If they have some clarity and some sense of brotherhood - the forum is on the right path.

Having that peer support through a forum of like minded people is a proven coping mechanism. So I thank you for finding us all such a place.

[vedu]

No worries. I think many of us are used to pack up and leave suggestions that are made in Trackit for example. I personally don't take them seriously. Peace!

To be fair to Q, he wasn't suggesting packing up. He was simply giving some suggestions on how to be "prepared", and that too when you asked for them in your previous post! And his suggestions are all great!

[Zenzone]

To be fair to Q, he wasn't suggesting packing up. He was simply giving some suggestions on how to be "prepared", and that too when you asked for them in your previous post! And his suggestions are all great!

I think we are squared away now.

[srimurthy]

Sri - in my own family in India - my brother's son is admitted to a top US university and my counsin's son admitted to another top univ -- both for masters. They received no scholarship or assistantship and are going to pay full out of state tuition. I am shocked. I myself obtained an MBA pretty much free back in 2000s! In fact I earned and saved money while doing an MBA.

I guess this actually will have positive impact on India by retaining talent back home. But for the people who are in Limbo - this is very stressful.

Q - The cream and people highly into academics will come no matter what, as they are chasing their dreams. People with money back home will come too and this block has increased for sure in the last 20 years. And Indians usually don't back down from spending on education.
And about the tuition those days are gone, I doubt kids born here and going to college now or in future can come out without paying anything.

Limbo is what is stressful and that waiting line is increasing for the people in Limbo.

[qesehmk]

I think we are squared away now.

We were always squared. Besides I am now much older than many of you and a word here and there shouldn't bother me. Cheers.

[Zenzone]

We were always squared. Besides I am now much older than many of you and a word here and there shouldn't bother me. Cheers.

Cool! Also, many of us are not young either

[vsivarama]

Trump administration has taken so many decisions social economic geopolitical that are suicidal irrational. He has waged war against Bezos. Under normal circumstances politicians are incredibly in line with big money because money could easily sway elections. But trump is not subject to that and thus is a dark horse free to do what he wants. Thus they (big money) is all falling in line. There doesn't seem be the invisible hand of the rich and the powerful. Zuckerberg has all but surrendered to the right wing and if you notice, Musk who famously resigned from Trump's economic advisory council, is now twitting "Take the red pill" (a code word for "move to the right"). So I am no longer sure about America's ability in the short term to be discerning about its own strengths. The times are very turbulent.

My two cents here. Businesses will look the other way as long as they are not being hurt financially. I honestly feel this is an attempt by the administration to throw everything and see what sticks to the wall so that they can message that to their supporters. DC will never get bigger than Market. Market will go along and bend the knee as long as their financial ecosystem is not disturbed. If the businesses feel financially threatened they will stop giving money to the campaign (This campaign is not grass roots funded and hence it relies heavily on market to raise money). Worse yet the big business may form a super pac and work against DC. Key indications should be JB fund raising numbers off late. All the old timers have probably already bought houses and made plans around a life in US. So while being liquid is a good idea, I do not think it helps the old timers who are neck deep in this. For me personally, I would still want to believe the market will get in the way and worry about the consequences later (maybe that's the defense mechanism kicking in to retain my sanity). Plus 2020 has been such a s**t storm we are all better served being hopeful.

[need4speed]

My two cents here. Businesses will look the other way as long as they are not being hurt financially. I honestly feel this is an attempt by the administration to throw everything and see what sticks to the wall so that they can message that to their supporters. DC will never get bigger than Market. Market will go along and bend the knee as long as their financial ecosystem is not disturbed. If the businesses feel financially threatened they will stop giving money to the campaign (This campaign is not grass roots funded and hence it relies heavily on market to raise money). Worse yet the big business may form a super pac and work against DC. Key indications should be JB fund raising numbers off late. All the old timers have probably already bought houses and made plans around a life in US. So while being liquid is a good idea, I do not think it helps the old timers who are neck deep in this. For me personally, I would still want to believe the market will get in the way and worry about the consequences later (maybe that's the defense mechanism kicking in to retain my sanity). Plus 2020 has been such a s**t storm we are all better served being hopeful.

Whether we like it or not, the truth is more prosaic, you don't need a scalpel to understand it. The halcyon days of H1B are over. It may very well be an attempt to remove the pebble under the boulder. "Being prepared" ordeal deserves more attention. If we stick together, we might be able to come up with an impressive roster of technology and US expertise, what can we do with it in India?

[Zenzone]

My two cents here. Businesses will look the other way as long as they are not being hurt financially. I honestly feel this is an attempt by the administration to throw everything and see what sticks to the wall so that they can message that to their supporters. DC will never get bigger than Market. Market will go along and bend the knee as long as their financial ecosystem is not disturbed. If the businesses feel financially threatened they will stop giving money to the campaign (This campaign is not grass roots funded and hence it relies heavily on market to raise money). Worse yet the big business may form a super pac and work against DC. Key indications should be JB fund raising numbers off late. All the old timers have probably already bought houses and made plans around a life in US. So while being liquid is a good idea, I do not think it helps the old timers who are neck deep in this. For me personally, I would still want to believe the market will get in the way and worry about the consequences later (maybe that's the defense mechanism kicking in to retain my sanity). Plus 2020 has been such a s**t storm we are all better served being hopeful.

Fully agree! End of the day following the money trail is the best strategy to reason out what’s true and wats a mirage. I do feel deeply for folks who are beyond 2011 PDs. I hope things change and this is the bottom.

[excalibur123]

I can tell you with certainty that the draconian H1B pipe dream of Stephen Miller has 0% chance of passing.

Practically speaking - business will cease to function in the US.

I work for a fairly large organization in the DMV area. My team has ~14 members, 11 of them are contractors on the H1B. If there was a wide H1B impacting move, overnight, the whole thing will collapse. Our team also does important work (so I would like to think) that feeds into the organization which itself does important work (so I would like to believe). Without the H1B brains powering this rocket, it ain't taking off. It will just crash and burn.

I am not a political partisan. I have trained myself very painfully over the years to objectively analyze data. (On a separate topic, I didn't used to be like this - I was very emotional and only argued things one way). I can see objectively there are certain painful things the administration must do to curtail the abuse of the system, and increase the economic opportunity for the American citizens. The kind of immigration abuses I have seen over the years have been nothing short of scandalous and embarrassing (if their true extent were to come out and completely understood by the American people).

But you know what? I have seen the bad apples in the system overwhelmingly outweighed by the good apples. By and large, people are honest, hardworking and smart. They will appreciate the opportunity, take that opportunity to better themselves, and when enough of them do it in large numbers, that creates the engine of innovation and economic prosperity - this is the pinnacle of the US tradition and the essence of America.

While there are horrible and ugly things about the Democrats (the latest Obama scandal non-withstanding - on a separate topic, I am sure all presidents have spied on their opponents - remains to be seen how much this controversy holds up), it seems like Republicans/Trump are simply incapable or even unwilling to understand what has worked for America. I cannot shake the feeling that there could be deep rooted bias and racism under the hood quite plainly. People will tolerate BLM protests, they will tolerate statues toppling, and they might even tolerate governors telling them to wear masks in public (the horror!!). But one thing that will scare the shit out of all - the prospects on hard right to gain and consolidate any kind of meaningful power. I know several openly Republican Desis and even they will shit their pants if they can even comprehend what this means to their lives.

No, the H1Bs are too entrenched, the numbers are too big, and the prospect of damage to the business at large and localities everywhere (in form of nosediving house prices and lost tax revenue) completely prohibit the Stephen Miller/NumbersUSA pipe dream from becoming a reality.

One can hope.

No the chance is not 0 percent.

This set of proposals are well thought out and have been in making for months if not years. They likely know what would stand the scrutiny or not. We may be surprised when the actual rules are proposed.

The longer the unemployment situation lasts, lesser the sympathy for H1Bs regardless of their numbers or entrenchment or support from big business. And of course it is planned as a slow attrition over years so as to allow the businesses to adjust.

[eaglenow]

"For others, it is certainly gray area, but as mentioned by the lawyer above, it can be challenged as the previous regulation stipulates that labor cert is valid for 180 days for filing 140 and expires after that IF 140 is not filed by that time. But there is no regulation that states that labor will expire after filing 140 within the 180 day window. This is due to how the statute is interpreted through current regulations. But one caveat is the “at the time of filing and admission” in statute. This is reason for 140 time window from labor. If they change this to 485 filing, it would get murky."

I disagree with you. This is not a grey area.

104(c) clearly states that three year extensions can be granted indefinitely until the “alien’s application for adjustment of status has been processed and a decision made thereon.” For the folks who have an approved I-140, a formal I-485 has not been filed because the priority date is not yet current due to the very same INA's 7% country cap for immigrant visas. Only when the PD gets current the alien will/can legally file for adjustment. Until the AOS is filed it can't be processed and decision cannot be made as a result until all of that happen (filing, processing and approval) h1b extensions should be granted. Also, USCIS as an agency for the past 2 decades set a precedence for that so to retroactively change it will be considered capricious and arbitrary clearly. Also, it will directly strike the heart of do no universal harm doctrine for drafting regulations by courts.

We are referring to 2 different things. My reference was to validity of labor certification and you seem to be referencing H1 extensions beyond 6 years based on AC 21.

If you look at the statute, the title is One time extension or something like that. The assumption being your GC will get approved within the next 3 years, which is no more the case. The regulation to interpret this basically considered the text and are providing 3 year extensions till 485 is approved. If new regulation is issued to reinterpret to one time extension beyond 6 years of h1b, it still may be fine due to section 106c, where you will get 1 year extensions instead.

But the crux of the issue is both the above are based on having valid 140 based on valid labor certification. So far the interpretation of labor certification validity has been filing 140 within 6 month window of labor certification. If that changes to say 5 years in total or something like that, the underlying labor will have to be refiled if 485 is not filed within the expiry window. Either way, making it retroactive would be difficult, if not impossible and will face lawsuits. Future changes on the other hand may or may not be won in courts, though will probably get challenged as it has been in place for 2 decades.

Regardless, I don’t think they will push everyone out in one go, at least not unless they want to tank the economy. You are taking about at least 350k families with high pay and skilled jobs. Businesses will shift jobs with them to wherever they are going, at least in the short term. And the IP of these people stay with them and so if many end up in India, all it would take is a small percentage of those to band together and start their own companies in India. Given the conversion parity, you can start some significant product companies in India. I think the Forbes article ending is very appropriate where they stated no foreign power who wanted to impact this great country adversely could have come up with a better plan.

Also contrary to the myth propagated by right wing, while there are abuses in the system, there is a dearth of skilled professionals. If you have tried to hire anyone With good skills, you will immediately see the striking low number of applicants and even among those who apply, getting the applicant with good skill is pretty difficult. Many times the hire is usually a compromise to your original vision. One person I know mentioned their company is reworking job requirements to make it more broad so that they can get more applicants.

Regardless with this admin anything goes and so they may not care about the impact. But that does not mean they can get away with everything. Fortunately there are still some checks and balances intact, the judicial system being one of them. Let’s see how these play out.

[Zenzone]

We are referring to 2 different things. My reference was to validity of labor certification and you seem to be referencing H1 extensions beyond 6 years based on AC 21.

If you look at the statute, the title is One time extension or something like that. The assumption being your GC will get approved within the next 3 years, which is no more the case. The regulation to interpret this basically considered the text and are providing 3 year extensions till 485 is approved. If new regulation is issued to reinterpret to one time extension beyond 6 years of h1b, it still may be fine due to section 106c, where you will get 1 year extensions instead.

But the crux of the issue is both the above are based on having valid 140 based on valid labor certification. So far the interpretation of labor certification validity has been filing 140 within 6 month window of labor certification. If that changes to say 5 years in total or something like that, the underlying labor will have to be refiled if 485 is not filed within the expiry window. Either way, making it retroactive would be difficult, if not impossible and will face lawsuits. Future changes on the other hand may or may not be won in courts, though will probably get challenged as it has been in place for 2 decades.

Regardless, I don’t think they will push everyone out in one go, at least not unless they want to tank the economy. You are taking about at least 350k families with high pay and skilled jobs. Businesses will shift jobs with them to wherever they are going, at least in the short term. And the IP of these people stay with them and so if many end up in India, all it would take is a small percentage of those to band together and start their own companies in India. Given the conversion parity, you can start some significant product companies in India. I think the Forbes article ending is very appropriate where they stated no foreign power who wanted to impact this great country adversely could have come up with a better plan.

Also contrary to the myth propagated by right wing, while there are abuses in the system, there is a dearth of skilled professionals. If you have tried to hire anyone With good skills, you will immediately see the striking low number of applicants and even among those who apply, getting the applicant with good skill is pretty difficult. Many times the hire is usually a compromise to your original vision. One person I know mentioned their company is reworking job requirements to make it more broad so that they can get more applicants.

Regardless with this admin anything goes and so they may not care about the impact. But that does not mean they can get away with everything. Fortunately there are still some checks and balances intact, the judicial system being one of them. Let’s see how these play out.

I was using the 104 and 106 sections to analyze post 6 year extensions in general. It’s obvious that underlying PERM needs to be not revoked if any of the extensions were to continue happen. Also the title of one time extension is extensively analyzed and the legal research paper I shared above Captures that argument extensively. None of this has any chance of happening let alone happening within the next 120 days. The last time I checked there is a presidential election due happening and the incumbent is deeply trailing. So much for media hype and negativity these things are largely moot.

Here is the link again - http://blog.cyrusmehta.com/2018/01/n...lf-deport.html

Also nowhere in INA it says a PERM needs to be re-validated periodically. PERIOD!

[Zenzone]

No the chance is not 0 percent.

This set of proposals are well thought out and have been in making for months if not years. They likely know what would stand the scrutiny or not. We may be surprised when the actual rules are proposed.

The longer the unemployment situation lasts, lesser the sympathy for H1Bs regardless of their numbers or entrenchment or support from big business. And of course it is planned as a slow attrition over years so as to allow the businesses to adjust.

Haha oh yes! Well thought through. Look how quickly they were able to revoke h4 ead and DACA. LMAO! I understand the anxiety of H1Bs but to assume INA can be thrown into trash just like that is irrational and that's what fires me up (keeping emotions strictly aside). I'm saying this as a person who was here in H1B in 2008 recession. Not sure how many of this forum members were around in that status . I know I'm dating myself here.

[excalibur123]

Haha oh yes! Well thought through. Look how quickly they were able to revoke h4 ead and DACA. LMAO! I understand the anxiety of H1Bs but to assume INA can be thrown into trash just like that is irrational and that's what fires me up (keeping emotions strictly aside). I'm saying this as a person who was here in H1B in 2008 recession. Not sure how many of this forum members were around in that status . I know I'm dating myself here.

They had many successes too - on southern border, and with high h1 rejection rates and processing delays, and also with current ban for CP cases. You can laugh all you want but it is about not underestimating these things. The interpretation of law is malleable IF high unemployment continues.

[Zenzone]

They had many successes too - on southern border, and with high h1 rejection rates and processing delays, and also with current ban for CP cases. You can laugh all you want but it is about not underestimating these things. The interpretation of law is malleable IF high unemployment continues.

Nah. If I underestimated any of these I won't be typing about them and reading about the possibilities (that too on a Saturday afternoon, that's simply not me!). I'm just saying the odds of rule-making and implementing before Nov 3rd is pretty impossible. Also, I'm only talking about the larger regulatory action related wish list that the proclamation captures. Never in my mind, I will underestimate how much this admin. will try even if it knows it will fail in the court for example. I still don't see these regulatory possibilities as immediate/imminent threats unlike the "immigrant entry" related latitude the executive branch has that can be done just by a proclamation.

[excalibur123]

Nah. If I underestimated any of these I won't be typing about them and reading about the possibilities. I'm just saying the odds of rule-making and implementing before Nov 3rd is pretty impossible. Also, I'm only talking about the larger regulatory action related wish list that the proclamation captures. Never in my mind, I will underestimate how much this admin. will try even if it knows it will fail in the court for example. I still don't see these regulatory possibilities as immediate/imminent threats unlike the "immigrant entry" related latitude the executive branch has that can be done just by a proclamation. Also, if you want to refute me here, please provide examples of rule-making successes they have had and not just citing H1B RFEs/rejection rates and banning CP GC seeking entry which is not an apples to apples comparison. Also, please keep the wall out of this discussion my friend .

The deadline is not Nov 3rd. The rules can be finalized and published till the transition is completed - as it happened during last admin. Besides the election results are not a foregone conclusion unless you are from future .
As for regulatory changes the past cannot be a guide for future because we are in midst of biggest unemployment crisis. Previously the economy was doing diametrically opposite to what it is now, so there was no huge incentive to shake the status-quo - but now the incentive is as high as it can get. The admin has gotten better with rule making - the public charge rule is still in place. So you can’t compare their efforts from 2 years back to now. I see the possibility of something strong coming from them - you may agree or not.

[excalibur123]

Again you don't read fully before you post. I said Nov 3rd as an incentive for the admin to pander to the base and nothing else. There are multiple lawsuits to be filed to fight this ban as such so let's wait and watch. Also, you seem to talk as though you have a crystal ball too with so much levels of certainty. Jokes aside, this economy has been showing signs of V shaped recovery and May job numbers are an example of a stronger rebound so we will be again in a diametrically opposite situation probably sooner.

Rule-making typically don't happen during the lame-duck months after November elections. Btw, let me re-phrase your predictions (or rather wishes) here -

Rules are all proposed, published, commented, finalized and implemented between now and December and there are no lawsuits, no business lobby at work and all courts side with the admin. and people are deported! All of this happens between now and December is what you are implying here and you want everyone to agree with you without questioning. That to me is nothing but fear mongering. Its pretty much a useless point of view from someone who just got greened and wants the door to be shut for everyone else.

I am not greened yet - not sure how you got the idea - and yes I was there in 2008 too. You are so worked up on these issues and reading too many things in every line I write. I was putting a point of view that chances of anything happening is not 0 percent as there is strong incentive and the other side also knows the legal possibilities. You can assume the rest if you want.