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  1. #3976
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    don't you think that this is a rather non-news in the sense EB5 china limit is 3K and should've been reached long back.

    If there is any news here then it is that china will not receive further visas and there will be significantly spillover available for EB2I.

    That's how I read it. Do you think that makes sense.
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    The Oh website is reporting



    On the AILA website there is indeed an alert:



    The actual document is restricted to AILA members, so I can't see any more than that.

    Note that visas already allocated to consulates for September will be honored. Most EB-5 visas are issued at consulates, rather than AOS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    Spec

    don't you think that this is a rather non-news in the sense EB5 china limit is 3K and should've been reached long back.

    If there is any news here then it is that china will not receive further visas and there will be significantly spillover available for EB2I.

    That's how I read it. Do you think that makes sense.
    Q,

    Technically, EB5 started the year with an allocation of only 47 visas (747 less the reduction of 700 due to the Chinese Student Protection Act). The allocation is zero in a year with only 140k visas. The number is slightly higher than reported in this document because the final EB allocation was 150,241.

    In that sense all EB-5 visas made available to China are FA. EB5-China use is limited to the number of visas that other Countries do not require.

    Hence, if no visas are available to China in EB5, it means other Countries are expected to use the difference between the total allocation for EB-5 and Chinese use. Put another way, it means EB-5 has reached (or is expected to reach) their full allocation for the FY of 10,667 visas.

    This would be the first time that EB-5 has ever used the full allocation available to it - I think that is noteworthy.

    I did edit my original post to make that point clear, but you had posted while I was doing that.
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  3. #3978
    I had that thought at the back of my mind. But then I wondered why would they report it as EB5 china reached limit. Why wouldn't they say EB5 has reached its limit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    Q,

    Technically, EB5 started the year with an allocation of only 47 visas (747 less the reduction of 700 due to the Chinese Student Protection Act). The allocation is zero in a year with only 140k visas. The number is slightly higher than reported in this document because the final EB allocation was 150,241.

    In that sense all EB-5 visas made available to China are FA. EB5-China use is limited to the number of visas that other Countries do not require.

    Hence, if no visas are available to China in EB5, it means other Countries are expected to use the difference between the total allocation for EB-5 and Chinese use. Put another way, it means EB-5 has reached (or is expected to reach) their full allocation for the FY of 10,667 visas.

    This would be the first time that EB-5 has ever used the full allocation available to it - I think that is noteworthy.

    I did edit my original post to make that point clear, but you had posted while I was doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    I had that thought at the back of my mind. But then I wondered why would they report it as EB5 china reached limit. Why wouldn't they say EB5 has reached its limit.
    Politics and spin as far as I am concerned. China represents over 90% of EB-5 use anyway. CO wants to avoid saying it is Unavailable as a whole.

    EB3-ROW has effectively been U since June - same deal as far as I am concerned.
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  5. #3980
    Probably ... Thanks Spec.
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    Politics and spin as far as I am concerned. China represents over 90% of EB-5 use anyway. CO wants to avoid saying it is Unavailable as a whole.

    EB3-ROW has effectively been U since June - same deal as far as I am concerned.
    I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
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  6. #3981
    Gurus,

    I received my I-485 receipts and there is a problem with the preference category on the I-485 receipt. It states preference category EB3 instead of EB2. I had ported from EB3 to EB2 and this is my first time filing I-485.

    Anybody ran into this in the past. I know it is a porting case and not many here would have dealt with it. Your inputs are greatly appreciated.

  7. #3982
    I got notices in mail that our cases are now transferred to NBC Lee summit, MO.
    One of my friend is tells most likely this process will take 2 months or so. Also I will receive interview letter to appear at local office.

    I am guessing it could be for one or all the reasons below if interview is scheduled.

    1) I worked with my labor filed company for 6 months after getting EAD in 2012.
    2) I had a speeding citation during vacation in 2010. Traffic cop issued citation mentioning the radar caught me at 103mph. I followed up many times but all the times Fresno, CA office told me ticket was not found in system on my name or citation number.

    I am worried now what triggered my case to this additional processing. Looks like I will miss the boat this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by avkeb2 View Post
    I got notices in mail that our cases are now transferred to NBC Lee summit, MO.
    One of my friend is tells most likely this process will take 2 months or so. Also I will receive interview letter to appear at local office.

    I am guessing it could be for one or all the reasons below if interview is scheduled.

    1) I worked with my labor filed company for 6 months after getting EAD in 2012.
    2) I had a speeding citation during vacation in 2010. Traffic cop issued citation mentioning the radar caught me at 103mph. I followed up many times but all the times Fresno, CA office told me ticket was not found in system on my name or citation number.

    I am worried now what triggered my case to this additional processing. Looks like I will miss the boat this year
    Not sure why #1 would trigger a transfer. And if the citation in #2 is not in the California system, I'm not sure if a background check would pick that up. I would try to put together a summary of interactions you had with the Fresno office either formal proof (appointments, etc.) or a typed up summary of what happened (just in case).

    Think about it this way. They don't have a reason to deny your application - otherwise they would have done it already. This is probably a situation where they want to have a face to face to discuss your case. Also, it very likely that dates will still be current in Oct. So you might just sneak through. Chin up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagan01 View Post
    Gurus,

    I received my I-485 receipts and there is a problem with the preference category on the I-485 receipt. It states preference category EB3 instead of EB2. I had ported from EB3 to EB2 and this is my first time filing I-485.

    Anybody ran into this in the past. I know it is a porting case and not many here would have dealt with it. Your inputs are greatly appreciated.
    Call up the Service center 800 number and let them know.

  10. #3985
    Thanks for the encouragement vizcard.

    I will keep updating about my case here, in case if somebody has to refer in future.

    I had an Infopass today, officer told me he see lot of these notices in recent times, there are lot of policy changes this year and my case may be ajudicated at NBC.
    I have asked if he can see any issue with my case for that he said he can not go inside "their" system to see the details. But he said my case is in transit to NBC.

    Then I asked when I researched these kind of messages, they are turning to be interview at local offices, he said we can not approve the cases here, if there is any issue with the case it will be transferred to field office and they may do some enquiry. I believe I went to field office only as there is only office at Charlotte, not sure why he told like that.

    By the way are there any cases that got transferred to NBC and got aprroved there with out resulting to an interview.

    Overall experience in talking to officer is good though not much info is provided to me.

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    FWIW, here is what Murthy have to say about the last meeting with CO on COD movements. The original article is here.

    Analysis, Predictions, and Trends: Sep 2014 Visa Bulletin Update

    August 27, 2014

    (T)he American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) has begun issuing analysis and predictions on the movement of cutoff dates each month, after the visa bulletin is released. These updates are based on monthly conversations with Charles Oppenheim, Chief of the Visa Control and Reporting Division for the U.S. Department of State (DOS). AILA has published the update based on the September 2014 Visa Bulletin after the release of the September 2014 Visa Bulletin.

    EB2 India Advancement Less than Expected; Retrogression Coming Soon

    In the September 2014 Visa Bulletin, the employment-based, second preference (EB2) category for India advanced, but not as much as was previously foreseen. The reason for this, as explained by Chief Oppenheim, is that the demand in the employment-based, first preference (EB1) category and the EB2 category for countries other than India, was higher than expected, resulting in the availability of fewer "extra" visa numbers to shift to the oversubscribed EB2 India category. There were also more EB2 India cases filed than anticipated, partly due to a large number of employment-based, third preference (EB3) to EB2 "upgrade" cases. Chief Oppenheim anticipates that the EB2 India category will retrogress soon - perhaps as early as November 2014. No predictions were given as to the expected cutoff date if and when this retrogression occurs.

    EB3 Philippines Advanced to EB3 Worldwide

    The employment-based, third preference (EB3) category for the Philippines advanced to the same cutoff date as EB3 worldwide, as of the September 2014 Visa Bulletin. The reason for this is, in part, due to the reduced demand for visa numbers in the EB1 and EB2 Philippines categories, which allowed for visa numbers to fall down to EB3 Philippines. Additionally, fewer EB3 Philippines applicants are coming forward with all the needed documents. Chief Oppenheim expects that the EB3 Philippines cutoff date will continue to match the EB3 worldwide cutoff date for the next few months. Later in fiscal year (FY) 2015, the cutoff date movement will depend upon whether there is greater usage in EB1 and EB2, or if the EB3 demand increases.

    EB5 China Predictions for FY15, Unavailable for Remainder of FY14

    In his conversation with AILA, Chief Oppenheim stated that the employment-based, fifth preference (immigrant investor) category "…continued to be available," for the time being. However, on August 23, 2014, shortly after his discussion with AILA, Chief Oppenheim issued an alert that, based on updated information, EB5 China is now "unavailable" for the remainder of FY14. The alert further notes that:

    "[A]ll China EB5 applicants who have been scheduled for interview at an overseas post based on the original establishment of the August and September cutoff dates…will not be impacted...[but that] no additional numbers are available for 'comeback' cases originally scheduled for interview in an earlier month who are just now returning, or for those first requesting an interview…USCIS offices may continue to accept and process… [EB5 China] cases…"

    For FY15, Chief Oppenheim expects to have to establish a cutoff date for EB5 China by June 2015. The EB5 category is predicted to remain current for all other countries throughout the next fiscal year.
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    USCIS have added a section to the USCIS Policy Manual dealing with Customer Service.

    Chapter 3. National Customer Service Center (NCSC) is an interesting read. It gives a good explanation of Tier1 and Tier 2 personnel, what they have access to and what they can accomplish.
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    Thanks Spec!

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    USCIS have added a section to the USCIS Policy Manual dealing with Customer Service.

    Chapter 3. National Customer Service Center (NCSC) is an interesting read. It gives a good explanation of Tier1 and Tier 2 personnel, what they have access to and what they can accomplish.

  14. #3989
    Need some help from gurus here.

    I got card production letter on July 14th, not received card yet. I have opened an SR 2 days ago, Would I get card even if the dates retrogress after next month?

    Do you suggest anything else to do other than opening SR? my PD is Aug28 2008

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    soggadufan - you are now a GC holder. Don't do anything. Simply wait ..some time more ... congrats btw.
    Quote Originally Posted by soggadufan View Post
    Need some help from gurus here.

    I got card production letter on July 14th, not received card yet. I have opened an SR 2 days ago, Would I get card even if the dates retrogress after next month?

    Do you suggest anything else to do other than opening SR? my PD is Aug28 2008
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    Thanks Q. that is a great relief. Hope everyone gets that relief some day. Thanks to Q for helping everyone through this portal

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    Thanks Q for the reply. I am in the same boat. I got CPO on 08/21 and Welcome notice 08/25. But my status is stuck in Decision and awaiting for Card Mailed email.

  18. #3993
    Hello Gurus,

    Have been a silent viewer of this forum from almost an year and especially this thread I at least visit daily once.
    Wanted to add little spice to the labor day weekend as I did not like to see this thread in active.

    Hope you all get to know my details from my userid (EB2-India-Sep-2009), and I missed the boat to file 485 when dates became current in 2012 as I was in the process of shifting jobs.
    Am I wishing too much that EB2-I should move to Oct 1 2009 in Oct 2014 before it take a 'U' turn especially with all the RFEs people who applied 485 got?
    Sincerely wish guys like Kanmani/imdeng get their cards who bring in lot of inputs to this forum. Sincere thanks to all Gurus/Spec/Q for their constant from me and lot many silent readers like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EB2IndSep09 View Post
    Hello Gurus,

    Have been a silent viewer of this forum from almost an year and especially this thread I at least visit daily once.
    Wanted to add little spice to the labor day weekend as I did not like to see this thread in active.

    Hope you all get to know my details from my userid (EB2-India-Sep-2009), and I missed the boat to file 485 when dates became current in 2012 as I was in the process of shifting jobs.
    Am I wishing too much that EB2-I should move to Oct 1 2009 in Oct 2014 before it take a 'U' turn especially with all the RFEs people who applied 485 got?
    Sincerely wish guys like Kanmani/imdeng get their cards who bring in lot of inputs to this forum. Sincere thanks to all Gurus/Spec/Q for their constant from me and lot many silent readers like me.
    Unfortunately, there is no chance of that. It will most likely stay where it is in Oct. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I hope obamas exec action will help. There is ofcourse a whole diff thread for that discussion if you want to check it out.

  20. #3995
    Based on uscis Quarterly performance data, EB-485 stats as below for last 3 Q's.
    Received Approved Denied Pending
    Q1 30,568 31,702 1,824 117,892
    Q2 29,639 30,651 1,611 119,178
    Q3 29,200 25,449 1,749 122,754
    Total 89,407 87,802 5,184
    Approved 87,800 till Q3 by USCIS, excluding EB2 India rest of the categories demand for Q4 may be 26K similllar to Q3.
    so 88+ 26 = 114K + 5k consumption increase for ROW due to pending inventory increase of ROW cases by approx 12K [pending number show 5k increased (123-118= 5k) + Approx 7 to 8K EB2 china, India & EB3 india cases approved during the last 3 quarters - As India/China EB2 & India EB3 Approved but no new Intake means another 7K ROW cases added to pending in last 3Q's which means 12K more ROW cases filed than approved in last 3 Q's In general ROW demand is increasing Not good for future spill over ] hope this increase in ROW caese are from EB3 ROW in that case spill over impact will be medium
    150K total normarry uscis process 90% if EB cases means 135K - 119K = 16 K will be approx spillover for this year? Any comments from experts

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsItWorthTheTrouble View Post
    I'm a first-time filer (filed in 1st week of July with a PD of 24th July 2008). First week of august we did fingerprinting and got it stamped. Yesterday, we received one more fp appointment notice. I called up the NSC and the rep couldn't provide any detail on why the 2nd notice was issued.

    Can anybody whose been through a similar situation advise on what next steps we can and specifically 'how do I get information on why the 2nd appointment notice was issued'? (If it was done by mistake and probably all it takes is to find that one right person who can fix it so that our application doesn't get into a bottleneck)

    Also, is the retrogression expected for Nov 1 or Dec 1st?
    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    Don't want to freak you out IIWTT. But it could be that they got a false positive with some undesirable person in their database. Or another - rather benign possibility - they lost it. I can't think of anything else. I am sure this is simple stuff. Just do what is being asked. Dont think too much.
    Turns out this is a USCIS error. According to Murthy

    http://www.murthy.com/2014/08/27/new...827b-267206797

  22. #3997
    My friend got his GC approval notice on 26th. His details...

    EB2I - 22-25 Jan 2009. Don't remember the exact date - Processed at NSC.
    EB2I PD: 08/23/2010 | NBC : MSC21903****
    I-485 RD: 10/28/2020 | ND: 12/08/2020 | FP: 03/02/2021 | Approved: 09/22/2021
    I-485J ND: 08/11/2021 | Approved: 09/22/2021
    I-693 RFE: 08/30/2021 (Fom local FO) - RFER 09/15/2021
    I-765, I-131 RD: 12/18/2020 | FP: 03/15/2021 | Exp. Request 07/21/2021 - Humanitarian Reason (07/28/2021 - Assigned to officer) | Approval: pending
    I-485 New card production: 9/18/2021
    I-485 Approval: 9/22/2021
    Green card mailed: 9/22/2021
    Green card received : 9/24/2021

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    I know not everybody looks in FACTS & DATA. I've reproduced part of the post there.

    At the end of August, this is the situation for EB2-I (based on primary applicants who actually update their profile).

    Note that TSC has now overtaken NSC for approval numbers in the July/August period.

    PD ------ 2001 -- 2002 -- 2003 -- 2004 -- 2005 -- 2006 -- 2007 -- 2008 -- 2009 --- Total
    October ---- 0 ----- 0 ----- 1 ---- 21 ---- 42 ---- 40 --- 155 --- 102 ----- 0 ----- 361
    November --- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ---- 11 ---- 18 ---- 21 ---- 95 ---- 94 ----- 0 ----- 239
    December --- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 2 ----- 1 ----- 6 ----- 0 ----- 6 ----- 0 ------ 15
    January ---- 1 ----- 0 ----- 2 ----- 2 ----- 0 ----- 1 ----- 4 ----- 1 ----- 0 ------ 11
    February --- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 2 ----- 1 ----- 1 ----- 2 ----- 2 ----- 0 ------- 8
    March ------ 0 ----- 0 ----- 1 ----- 4 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ------- 5
    April ------ 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 2 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 1 ----- 0 ----- 0 ------- 3
    May -------- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 5 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ------- 5
    June ------- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 1 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ------- 1
    July ------- 1 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 3 ----- 4 ----- 6 ---- 30 --- 144 ----- 1 ----- 189
    August ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 4 ----- 8 ---- 11 ---- 27 --- 382 ---- 29 ----- 461
    September -- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ----- 0 ------- 0
    Total ------ 2 ----- 0 ----- 4 ---- 57 ---- 74 ---- 86 --- 314 --- 731 ---- 30 --- 1,298


    July ------- 1 -- 2 -- 3 -- 4 -- 5 -- 6 -- 7 -- 8 -- 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17 - 18 - 19 - 20 - 21 - 22 - 23 - 24 - 23 - 26 - 27 - 28 - 29 - 30 - 31 - Total
    Number ----- 9 - 20 -- 4 -- 1 -- 1 -- 0 -- 7 -- 9 -- 4 -- 2 - 11 -- 6 -- 0 -- 2 -- 8 -- 9 - 10 - 16 -- 3 -- 1 - 12 - 10 - 16 -- 4 -- 8 -- 1 -- 0 -- 3 -- 7 -- 4 -- 1 --- 189

    August ----- 1 -- 2 -- 3 -- 4 -- 5 -- 6 -- 7 -- 8 -- 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17 - 18 - 19 - 20 - 21 - 22 - 23 - 24 - 23 - 26 - 27 - 28 - 29 - 30 - 31 - Total
    Number ---- 17 -- 6 -- 0 - 17 - 27 - 30 - 23 - 15 - 15 -- 0 - 17 - 19 -- 8 - 24 - 25 -- 9 -- 0 - 13 - 14 - 13 - 23 - 26 -- 7 -- 1 - 20 - 16 - 14 - 20 - 15 - 27 -- 0 --- 461


    Center ---- NSC ----- TSC ----- CSC ----- VSC --- Total
    Total ----- 312 ----- 338 ------- 0 ------- 0 ----- 650
    Percent -- 48.0% --- 52.0% ---- 0.0% ---- 0.0% -- 100.0%
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  24. #3999
    Thank you vizcard. Please don't be sorry. Mr. Presidendent's EO is the only hope then.
    Any idea iff EO is released in favor of ill fate lawful immigrants who are stuck in the limbo is it going to be affective as of the date of order? Did some googling but did not get a complete idea how it works.

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    I have this page bookmarked Spec - I check this very frequently. Just like last year, TSC was a slow starter but has more than caught up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    I know not everybody looks in FACTS & DATA. I've reproduced part of the post there.

    At the end of August, this is the situation for EB2-I (based on primary applicants who actually update their profile).

    Note that TSC has now overtaken NSC for approval numbers in the July/August period.
    EB2I NSC | PD: 08/07/2009 | Forum Glossary

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