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    I did get EAD/AP in 2012 - thankfully - removed that stuff from the signature for de-clutter purposes.
    Quote Originally Posted by sdesh005 View Post
    Let's hope this comes true! I see that your PD is in 08/2009, very close to mine (last week of July '09)...so of course we have a vested interest in this!
    Looking at your signature, I don't see any EAD details - is that because you just didn't add them or because you missed the boat, like me, in 2012 when the dates jumped up to 2010 PDs? Just curious...
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    USCIS processing data trends updated with May'14 stats

    USCIS processing data trends update with May'14 stats.
    http://dashboard.uscis.gov/index.cfm...=4&charttype=1

    Here is some pointers to note:

    1) NSC has become bigger than TSC interms of EB 485 processing volumes

    ~~~~~~Pending~~~Pre-adj~~~RFE~~~~Completions~~~Receipts
    NSC~~~~~51437~~~28827~~~4410~~~~~9685~~~~~~11656
    TSC~~~~~39561~~~35416~~~4110~~~~~6828~~~~~~~7828

    2) I-140 Completions have been dropped to 33% compare to the last year sametime
    Period~~~~~~~~~~~~Total reciepts~~Total Completions
    Oct'12 to May'13~~~~~~51564~~~~~~~~60386
    Oct'13 to May'14~~~~~~47856~~~~~~~~39428

    With this completion rate we can't get more than 70k total I-140 completions in FY'14 by Sep'14 which will be leser than ~18% campare to previous year completions.

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    YTeleven,

    For the spillover season, it is worth noting that TSC still has slightly more preadjudicated cases than NSC (55:45).

    It's been clear for a while that the SC have been throttling the system (for whatever reason) by lowering their I-140 completion rates.

    In September 2013, only 7.2k I-140 were shown as pending. That has tripled to 23.4k in May 2014 (8 months).

    Depending on the makeup of that increased backlog, it has obvious dangers if (when) it is eventually released.

    Monthly I-140 receipts year on year remain fairly similar.

    This also somewhat reflects in the pending I-485 figures. The number of pending cases at the SC were as low as 43.7k in June 2013 (50.1k in September 2013). That has risen to 91k in May 2014. Of course, NSC and TSC handle more than EB cases.

    In March 2014, USCIS reported 119k pending Employment Based cases at the SC, which would have also included preadjudicated cases. The Q3 figures will be interesting, when they are released.
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    Hi Guru's , Sorry but I am really confused about the news regarding retrogression.
    Any possibility that my number will come in the Sept bulletin ? EB2-India NSC | PD: Feb 23, 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EB2EB2 View Post
    Hi Guru's , Sorry but I am really confused about the news regarding retrogression.
    Any possibility that my number will come in the Sept bulletin ? EB2-India NSC | PD: Feb 23, 2009.
    Almost certainly yes.

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    Ahh !! Awesome, Thanks vizcard. Let's hope it does.
    And once the bulletin is out, I think it would take 2 months for the card to be shipped ? Is that right ?

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    when will be the July'14 inventory be released ?

    http://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-through-job/previous-pending-employment-based-i-485-inventory/pending-employment-based-i-485-inventory
    http://www.uscis.gov/green-card/gree...-485-inventory

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    There is no fixed date of release. We are all waiting. It is already past the usual historical date for the event.
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    The pdf properties show that the July 2013 USCIS Inventory was created on August 7, 2013.

    Trackitt suggests it was released on August 9, 2013.

    Historically, the Inventory is released about 4-6 weeks later than the period it represents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    The pdf properties show that the July 2013 USCIS Inventory was created on August 7, 2013.

    Trackitt suggests it was released on August 9, 2013.

    Historically, the Inventory is released about 4-6 weeks later than the period it represents.
    If this is about the 485 inventory, is that not released in October?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    The pdf properties show that the July 2013 USCIS Inventory was created on August 7, 2013.

    Trackitt suggests it was released on August 9, 2013.

    Historically, the Inventory is released about 4-6 weeks later than the period it represents.
    that makes me think once the uscis looks at this report in august first week and passes on that info to decide on the demand data/ visa bulletin then they will make it public. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by vyruss View Post
    If this is about the 485 inventory, is that not released in October?
    The USCIS Inventory is updated several times a year.

    For instance, last FY, there were reports for

    October 2012
    January 2013
    April 2013
    July 2013

    Since then there have also reports for

    October 2013
    January 2014
    April 2014

    See http://www.uscis.gov/green-card/gree...-485-inventory for the full listing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post

    It's been clear for a while that the SC have been throttling the system (for whatever reason) by lowering their I-140 completion rates.

    In September 2013, only 7.2k I-140 were shown as pending. That has tripled to 23.4k in May 2014 (8 months).

    Depending on the makeup of that increased backlog, it has obvious dangers if (when) it is eventually released.
    Spec,

    I've an estimation for I-140 Approvals FY14 as follows:
    I-140_Data~~~~Approvals~~~~Pending
    FY14-1stHalf~~~~21323~~~~~~24495~~(ACTUALS)
    FY14-2ndHalf~~~38777~~~~~~25000~~(PROJECTED)
    FY2014~~~~~~~60000~~~~~~25000~~(PROJECTED)

    If this turns out to be true then we will have a lowest ever approvals for I-140 with 60k for FY14.
    This is a good news for EB2-I as these approvals will effect the spillover from EB1 & EB2-WW to EB2-I.
    As you see I've taken a liberal approach to project the figures in FY14-2ndHalf and if we go by the actual figures of 1st half the overall approvals willbe even lower than 60k (may be around 50k) which will give even more spillover to EB2-I.
    CAUTION to EB2-I: Since these are just I-140 applications sitting in the system for so many months they can be get released anytime and if that happens in Aug'14 then there is a significant decrease in the spillover to EB2-I as each of these I-140s will consume atleast 2 GCs(assuming corresponding I-485s will get approvals in Sep'14).

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    Quote Originally Posted by YTeleven View Post
    Spec,

    I've an estimation for I-140 Approvals FY14 as follows:
    I-140_Data~~~~Approvals~~~~Pending
    FY14-1stHalf~~~~21323~~~~~~24495~~(ACTUALS)
    FY14-2ndHalf~~~38777~~~~~~25000~~(PROJECTED)
    FY2014~~~~~~~60000~~~~~~25000~~(PROJECTED)

    If this turns out to be true then we will have a lowest ever approvals for I-140 with 60k for FY14.
    This is a good news for EB2-I as these approvals will effect the spillover from EB1 & EB2-WW to EB2-I.
    As you see I've taken a liberal approach to project the figures in FY14-2ndHalf and if we go by the actual figures of 1st half the overall approvals willbe even lower than 60k (may be around 50k) which will give even more spillover to EB2-I.
    CAUTION to EB2-I: Since these are just I-140 applications sitting in the system for so many months they can be get released anytime and if that happens in Aug'14 then there is a significant decrease in the spillover to EB2-I as each of these I-140s will consume atleast 2 GCs(assuming corresponding I-485s will get approvals in Sep'14).
    In terms of PD, where do you think that this "more" could take us? Any chance to 1Nov2009 -- based on how far in future the RFEs have gone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YTeleven View Post
    Spec,

    I've an estimation for I-140 Approvals FY14 as follows:
    I-140_Data~~~~Approvals~~~~Pending
    FY14-1stHalf~~~~21323~~~~~~24495~~(ACTUALS)
    FY14-2ndHalf~~~38777~~~~~~25000~~(PROJECTED)
    FY2014~~~~~~~60000~~~~~~25000~~(PROJECTED)

    If this turns out to be true then we will have a lowest ever approvals for I-140 with 60k for FY14.
    This is a good news for EB2-I as these approvals will effect the spillover from EB1 & EB2-WW to EB2-I.
    As you see I've taken a liberal approach to project the figures in FY14-2ndHalf and if we go by the actual figures of 1st half the overall approvals willbe even lower than 60k (may be around 50k) which will give even more spillover to EB2-I.
    CAUTION to EB2-I: Since these are just I-140 applications sitting in the system for so many months they can be get released anytime and if that happens in Aug'14 then there is a significant decrease in the spillover to EB2-I as each of these I-140s will consume atleast 2 GCs(assuming corresponding I-485s will get approvals in Sep'14).
    No new 485 application is getting approved this FY. There's just not enough time left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4WatItsWorth View Post
    In terms of PD, where do you think that this "more" could take us? Any chance to 1Nov2009 -- based on how far in future the RFEs have gone?
    This has nothing to do with priority dates moving for this FY. CO will look at the approvals (which are slow IMO) and look at the total spillover (which he will know accurately) and move the dates in the Sept VB accordingly. As I mentioned in my previous post, no first time I485 submitted now will be approved in this FY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizcard View Post
    No new 485 application is getting approved this FY. There's just not enough time left.
    Viz,

    I'm not worried about new 485 filings..
    As of 31-May-2014 there are arounf 26k pending 140 applications.. we don't know how many of these belongs to EB1 & EB2-Row with concurrent filings. If these happens to be major chunk of those pending files and if those 140s get approvals then that will have impact on the COD movement for EB2-I in Sep & Oct 14.

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    YT,

    I would agree with the 60k figure.

    That compares to :

    FY2013 - 78.1k
    FY2012 - 70.0k
    FY2011 - 81.3k

    I think the liberal approach is probably correct. Both April and May saw a significant upswing in completions compared to previous months.

    What is worrying is that although Completions may be low, Receipts are not. The monthly average rate for FY2012 to FY2014 has remained fairly constant at just under 6k per month.

    A release of the pending I-140 at this stage probably won't affect FY2014 at all. Even if the I-485 was filed concurrently, the I-485 is increasingly unlikely to be adjudicated in FY2014.

    I agree it is helpful to FY2014 numbers for EB2-I.

    I do have concerns if a reduction in pending numbers hits FY2015 numbers. That would just pile one more negative onto a pretty bleak outlook.
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    Spec,

    Your concerns about FY2015 are based on the assumption that next year USCIS will work with extra efficiency/resources to clear all pending I140 applications from this year as well as the new applications from the next year...right? But if they go back to their normal speed next year ( say similar to FY2013), then EB2I still stands to receive the spillover amount similar to a normal year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post

    I do have concerns if a reduction in pending numbers hits FY2015 numbers. That would just pile one more negative onto a pretty bleak outlook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vedu View Post
    Spec,

    Your concerns about FY2015 are based on the assumption that next year USCIS will work with extra efficiency/resources to clear all pending I140 applications from this year as well as the new applications from the next year...right? But if they go back to their normal speed next year ( say similar to FY2013), then EB2I still stands to receive the spillover amount similar to FY2013.
    Not sure at this point, if we get spillover similar to FY2013 , but unless we know (at least approximate) % of the filing in each category/country and type, I would not think its 'pretty bleak outlook' (for FY2015 for EB2I)

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    Suninphx,

    I was using FY2013 as an example of a nomal year! I fixed my original post accordingly.

    Quote Originally Posted by suninphx View Post
    Not sure at this point, if we get spillover similar to FY2013 , but unless we know (at least approximate) % of the filing in each category/country and type, I would not think its 'pretty bleak outlook' (for FY2015 for EB2I)

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    Quote Originally Posted by vedu View Post
    Suninphx,

    I was using FY2013 as an example of a nomal year! I fixed my original post accordingly.
    Ok - I see now what you meant

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    Quote Originally Posted by vedu View Post
    Suninphx,

    I was using FY2013 as an example of a normal year! I fixed my original post accordingly.
    I think it could be unfortunate if you think that FY2013 was a "normal" year in any sense of the word.

    FY2013 followed the fiasco of FY2012, which meant that EB2-WW had rather more approvals than normal.

    FY2013 also had 18.5k extra visas due to under use by FB in FY2012.

    If you strip away the effect of the FB visas and normalize EB2-WW usage across FY2012/FY2013, then EB2-I would have received an average of about 10.7k approvals per year in FY2012/FY2013, compared to the average of 18.5k actually seen. In fact, because EB2-I received extra visas in addition to those that Spillover from other categories would have allowed, the underlying average number of approvals was just 7.7k per year.

    With the likelihood of low numbers of FB visas, increased general use by EB1, EB5 and perhaps slightly higher than normal use by EB2-WW, I don't see much to believe that EB2-I will see the sort of SO that people have become used to and come to expect as "normal".

    If FB contribute any visas in FY2015, CO has failed yet again and badly let down the FB community.
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    Spec,

    Sorry...I didn't meant to misrepresent FY2013 to be specifically a normal year. I just wanted to make a point that next year USCIS will have to assign extra workload to existing officers OR employ additional resources to clear the excess backlog of I-140 applications piled this year along with the next year's new applications.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    I think it could be unfortunate if you think that FY2013 was a "normal" year in any sense of the word.

    FY2013 followed the fiasco of FY2012, which meant that EB2-WW had rather more approvals than normal.

    FY2013 also had 18.5k extra visas due to under use by FB in FY2012.

    If you strip away the effect of the FB visas and normalize EB2-WW usage across FY2012/FY2013, then EB2-I would have received an average of about 10.7k approvals per year in FY2012/FY2013, compared to the average of 18.5k actually seen. In fact, because EB2-I received extra visas in addition to those that Spillover from other categories would have allowed, the underlying average number of approvals was just 7.7k per year.

    With the likelihood of low numbers of FB visas, increased general use by EB1, EB5 and perhaps slightly higher than normal use by EB2-WW, I don't see much to believe that EB2-I will see the sort of SO that people have become used to and come to expect as "normal".

    If FB contribute any visas in FY2015, CO has failed yet again and badly let down the FB community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizcard View Post
    This has nothing to do with priority dates moving for this FY. CO will look at the approvals (which are slow IMO) and look at the total spillover (which he will know accurately) and move the dates in the Sept VB accordingly. As I mentioned in my previous post, no first time I485 submitted now will be approved in this FY.
    I don't get it. YT says lower 140 approval (?) could mean more spillover for EB2I and you are saying this has got nothing to do with dates moving. How does more spillover have got nothing to do with dates moving this year?

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