Shall we come to conclusion, based on the political climate and the recent developments that the HR 3012 is dead?
I am seriously considering to port EB2. Gurus please advice.
Shall we come to conclusion, based on the political climate and the recent developments that the HR 3012 is dead?
I am seriously considering to port EB2. Gurus please advice.
If you have an opportunity to port then you should do that regardless of HR-3012. In my opinion, 3012 is not dead - it takes a while for the Senate to move. We can only do our part (Call Senators, Write to Senators) and let the process unfold.
Originally Posted by vickywac
EB2I NSC | PD: 08/07/2009 | Forum Glossary
Vicky - like imdeng said, you should port if you can. Porting and HR3012 are unrelated topics. Going from EB3 to EB2 itself will save you a few years due to the current status of CODs.
HR 3012 is no way dead.Not seeing any action in Senate does not mean it is dead. Senate has its own sophisticated rules and procedures. It will take time for it to happen. It is not something which will happen in a flash as soon as Senate convenes.
As for political climate, would the bill have come this far if the political climate was not conducive. For a moment let us think the path this bill has already taken.
There were so many EB immigration bills introduced in the house. None of them gained traction.
Then comes HR 3012.
It cleared Judiciary committee almost with a voice vote. Many destructive amendments were shot down in no time.
It has 11 co sponsors from both sides of the aisle. Some of them really powerful.
Co Sponsors:
Rep Flake, Jeff [AZ-6]
Rep Goodlatte, Bob [VA-6]
Rep Griffin, Tim [AR-2]
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4]
Rep Holt, Rush D. [NJ-12]
Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr.
Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16]
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14]
Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8]
Rep Smith, Lamar [TX-21]
Rep Thompson, Glenn [PA-5]
It cleared the house with an overwhelming majority 389-15.
Grassley places a hold on the bill. ROW guys proclaim it is the end of the bill. Some lawyers speculated "a single lawmaker can kill a bill in senate". HR 3012 supporters mourned the "premature death" of the bill.
In no time Rule 14 was invoked on the bill to bypass Grassley's hold and bypass judiciary committee.
Next Options:
1. Grassley removing the hold ( will never happen )
2. Invoking a cloture to overcome filibustering ( Will happen, but lot of background work need to be completed)
Somehow HR 3012 supporters thought the bill is going to be clubbed together with Irish E3 and this will lead to an easy passage of the bill. When Irish E3 faced lot of opposition from antis, people started believing that HR 3012 is dead.
Reality is just the opposite. It is good the Irish E3 is facing lot of opposition. If Irish E3 was clubbed together to HR 3012, combined bill is almost guaranteed to die in the house. If HR 3012 goes forward on its own, it is more likely to pass Senate and be signed by president.
Last edited by gcq; 02-12-2012 at 08:09 PM.
Update from Oh Law Firm:
02/12/2012: Stake of H.R. 3012 in the Context of Current Political Landscape
Probably H.R. 3012 is currently at the cross road of either its success or failure considering the given political landscape. As this reporter reported earlier, when it comes to a piecemeal immigration reform legislation, historically a formidable roadblock has been posed by the comprehensive immigration reform forces. Currently, H.R. 3012 supporters do not see any visible opposition from the comprehensive immigration reform forces. Why is that? There are several factors that affect the political environment. One factor is the country's down-turn economy and high unemployment rate that arguably cannot accomodate a flood of new immigrants. The supporters of comprehensive immigration reforms seem to have perceived such hurdle and have been waiting for development of a different environment to seize the momentum. For the reasons, the opposition from these forces has been more or less calm down to a state of a powerful sleeping tiger and accepted a compromise in H.R. 3012 as the next best option available under the given circumstances. When it comes to the immigration, two foremost issues for which they have highest stakes are family reunification (family-based immigration) and resolutions for fates and pains of undocumented aliens. Part of the first issue of family-based immigration has been fixed by H.R. 3012 by increasing family-based immigration per country limit from 7% to 15%. Part of the resolutions for undocumented Mexicans is currently being fixed administratively by Obama Administration reducing the pains of physical separation of family members accross the Southern borders in the form of exercise of prosecutorial discretion of illegal immigrant enforcement and focusing on the so-called "stateside" processing of applications for waiver of inadmissibility for these eligible undocumented Mexicans. For the reasons, people see from the news report that there is no fierce uprising or hostile movement in the Mexican community against the Obama Administration despite his failure to initiate comprehensive immigration reform. They are getting what they need under the given circumstances.
However, as we move closer to the election day, the landscape can change because of the newly developing political landscape which will be created by party politics and election strategies to take advantage of Hispanic voters, awakening the sleeping tiger. No one will be surprised to witness in Washington that comprehensive immigration reform proposals and bills will surface again in one form or another. In the past, it usually surfaced around March or not later than April of the election year. H.R. 3012 may have to be taken care of before the new political landscape surfaces.
Oh Law Firm Update:
02/14/2012: Mouting Frustration With the Stalled H.R. 3012 and Irish E-3 Visa Bill
The Senate adjourned yesterday without taking up either stand-alone H.R. 3012 or H.R. 3012 as amended by Irish E-3. Reportedly, there have been and are some activities behind the scene between the Senators and and H.R. 3012 lobbyists and Irish E-3 supporters, but Senator Chuck Grassley still remains a hefty road-block to find a break-through. Apparently Senator Grassley's compromise proposal involving restrictions to H and L visas remain a tough animal to find a common ground for the break-through. As it stands now, Sen. Grassley's proposal to attach the restriction to H and L visa to H.R. 3012 is not acceptable to the high tech industry, particularly high-tech consulting businesses as such legislation will choke the throat of the high tech industry. The Senate will return to the Hill this morning but there is no sign that any of these bills will be taken up today. See how the Irish community is agonizing, not to mention other stakeholder Indian, Chinese, Mexican, and Filippino communities.
Gurus,
Thanks for the reponse. I stumbleupon on this forum couple of months back and I see most people are knowledgable and helpful. I am completing my 13 th year in this country ans still in limbo as I stuck in EB3.
According to latest news Uncle G*** is not budging for any compromise.
My guess is that uncle G*** won't allow any legal immigration reform until his agenda's are accepted.
Senate minory(GOP) is not interested passing over G****, specifically in any immigration issues.
Gurus your take?.
Uncle G does not care about GOP, GOP does not care about uncle G. Uncle G's stand has no relevance to GOP's stand.
According to news media, Senate GOP leadership is not interested in outmaneuver the uncle G*.
Irish would like to use this bill as a vehicle, there is already not positive news about the irish provision, antis start their campaign to oppose the irish provision. Hmmmm... its going to be interesting...
I am trying to be optimistic !
vickywac
Can You Please provide the News media which shows that GOP senate leadership are not interested in out maneouver grass--ley????
Thanks for the optimism! but interested to know which news media reported the above?
Pressure mounts on Senator Brown:
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Pre...139349003.html
immitime,
Frish mediaIrish news media was reporting as if G* is ok, Mitch is ok. G* is not agains the Irish, he want bring his H1B provision, most of us not sure what is actually is going on behind the sceen. Also, Irish media was reporting that the compromise from G* is not imminent on our bill.any possible Irish E-3 breakthrough is completely at the mercy of Senator Grassley’s flexibility on HR3012.
Looks like its kind of black box as of now. Patience is the key.
Thank You, Irish Media, Oh law firm all other so called pretending all knowing websites should be ignored and we should not take them seriously. What is really happening is H.r.3012 has been placed on Senate Calender by invoking rule 14. US Legislative process will take its own sweet time. If Grass-ley cannot be convinced for Unanimous consent, Sen majority Leader should find time for Clouter motion (makes sure he will get 60 votes out of 100 Senators,with 30 hours of debate, so all the senators should be present at the time of voting,co-ordinating all this takes time) As you said Patience is the Key.
E-3 Visa and Fairness for High skilled are two seperate issues. Irish lobby can try to use H.r. 3012 as a Vehicle but at present it may not be possible. Even Sen. Schumer said last month that if not with H.R.3012 with some other bill.
Update from Oh Law Firm:
02/16/2012: Senate Schedule Update and H.R. 3012 & Irish E-3 Visa Bill
The H.R. 3012 and Irish E-3 Visa bills failed to be taken up on the Senate floor yesterday. The Senate floor does not have any schedule for vote today. The Senate has a vote schedule tomorrow for Cloture Motions relating to consent to federal official appointments but thus far H.R. 3012 or Irish E-3 visa bill are not included in the tomorrow's Senate floor schedule. The schedules can change and we will report it, should there be any changes with the Senate floor calendars. Irish news media reports that two ultra-conservative Republican Senators Vitter of Louisiana and Sessions of Alabama expressed that they would object to these bills. Please stay tuned to this website for updates.
From Irish Echo:
The hoped-for Irish E-3 visa bill that Senator Scott Brown said last week was “about to pop” was still stalled on Capitol Hill this week with Iowa Senator Charles Grassley maintaining his hold on a measure that combines the proposals of Massachusetts Republican Brown, and New York Democrat, Senator Charles Schumer.
As such, the story has become a tale of two Chucks (Grassley and Schumer) with a Scott in the middle.
Sources were indicating this week that Grassley was effectively proposing to “eviscerate” the Irish E-3 proposal by merging it with an existing E-3 program open to Australians.
The Schumer Irish bill envisages 10,000 renewable E-3 visas on an annual basis for eligible Irish applicants. But according to sources, there would be precious few E-3s for the Irish under Grassley’s plan as virtually all the visas would be snapped up by Australians.
Backers of the Irish E-3 are now looking to Senator Brown, who has penned his own Irish E-3 measure, to persuade sufficient Republican colleagues in the Senate to reach a required 60 votes.
The Schumer version of the bill is supported by all 53 Democrats.
“He needs to get his side in order,” said a source, referring to Sen. Brown.
Last week, Brown told the Boston Herald that his E3 bill was “about to pop” on Capitol Hill with passage possible before week’s end.
“In Massachusetts we have such a strong demand for this because of our family and cultural ties. This is kind of a no-brainer,” Brown told the daily.
Brown’s bill actually proposes 10,500 Irish E-3s but leaves out any possible waiver for the undocumented Irish. In order to secure across the aisle agreement, Sen. Schumer removed a waiver provision from his bill, S.1983, in order to reach an accommodation with Brown and his GOP allies.
Brown told the Boston Herald that he was “trying to work” with Sen. Grassley to have him and other Republicans “step back” from their
objections.
“We’re ready to pass it today,” Martin Brennan, state director for Senator Schumer, said of the combined Irish E-3 proposal
I don't see this news in IrishCentral! Can you provide the link please?
Sorry for asking stupid q, What's the likely out come?
PD:06/08/2007 | 485/AP/EAD Filed:10/06/2011 | USCIS Received Date:10/11/2011 | FP Completed:10/23/2011 | EAD/AP Approved:12/21/2011 | RFE Received 02/09/2012 | RFE Responded : 02/15/2012 | LUD : 02/16/2012 (RFE Response being reviewed.) ||||CPO : 03/07/2012
This bill likely die slowly ...
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PD - 9/25/2008, RD - 1/5/2012, ND - 1/9/2012, EAD/AP - approved for self/wife n waiting for kids AP, FP Notice - 2/4, FP Date - 2/21 FP Done - Completed, 485 RFE for Self on EVL, RFE in review state from 3/28, 485 Approval - Dont know when ??
This bill is already dying a slow painful pitiful death.
Sorry for slight change in subject:
I am looking at the Pending I-485 inventory for Jan 2012:
There are 15,583 for EB1, 30,125 for EB2, 365 for EB4, and 23 for EB5.
Together all these combined should be allocated 100,000 GC numbers. where as the total is 46,096.
So why isn't the EB2 for India current?, I do realize that some GCs have already been granted in this fiscal year.... but even accounting for that (maybe around 36000) should make EB2 current.
What I am trying to get at is: if EB2 becomes current soon then remaining numbers should start rolling over to EB3.
My PD is July1, 2003.... I am just trying to estimate when I will get GC in case this congress continues to do nothing about the Plight of EB3 folks.
mniwas
If EB-2 India date becomes current,(not likely this fiscal year, unless 3012 becomes law) the spillover will not be for EB-3 India, EB-3 Row will be benefitted. Please remove the misconception!
Again, If H.r.3012 is for dying in the calendar, then they will not have invoked Rule 14 for avoiding this bill getting killed in Judiciary committee. Senate placed this bill on calendar after second reading, on Jan 23rd 2012, not even a month. Senate procedure takes its own time. So be Patient, Irish, and Oh law firm reports are half baked and most of the news coming out are speculation from Journalist/Attorney's mind Please do not take it seriously.
Here is my take, If there is no vote by march, senate would not take this bill to vote until end of this year.
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