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  1. #976
    Update from Oh Law firm:

    12/28/2011: Senator Brown Asked Sen. Grassley to Include his E-3 Bill as H.R. 3012 Amendment in the Senate, not Schumer Bill, as Part of his Negotiation for H.R.3012 Compromise?

    Hmm....... The development in the Senate surrounding H.R. 3012 amendment by Irish community and dueling of the two Senators involving two different text of E-3 visa for Irish for H.R. 3012 amendment are getting interesting, juicy, snoopy, and thrilling! What an interesting ally to H.R. 3012?! Without doubt, H.R. 3012 has contributed in part to the 'Rising Star' celebrity status of Rep. Chaffetz. Read on.

  2. #977
    Happy New Year to everyone!!!

  3. #978
    Happy New Year to you too. Hope 2012 brings better news for HR3012.

  4. #979

    Tech Lobbies behind H.R.3012


  5. #980

    Thumbs up

    Quote Originally Posted by immitime View Post
    Happy New Year to ALL!!

    Is there anything more we can do to support HR 3012 from our end?

  6. #981
    Quote Originally Posted by iamdeb View Post
    Happy New Year to ALL!!

    Is there anything more we can do to support HR 3012 from our end?
    Happy New year..
    Call your area congressmen & ask em to support 3012 and if you have already done that
    I would suggest sit tight till right before Senate convenes..and start calling them again..

  7. #982
    Quote Originally Posted by jackbrown_890 View Post
    Happy New year..
    Call your area congressmen & ask em to support 3012 and if you have already done that
    I would suggest sit tight till right before Senate convenes..and start calling them again..
    Jack,

    For now only Senators! I know you meant Senators..:-)

  8. #983
    Irish lobby is getting stronger

    From Oh Law firm update:

    The Ancient Order of Hibernians is this week praising the emergence of not one, but two bills in Congress that promise E-3 renewable visas to Irish applicants.

    In a statement, The order avoided placing itself in between the two bills, one offered by Senate Democrats, and the other by Senate Republicans, and instead focused on the reasons why Ireland should be the recipient of an E-3 visa deal, much in the way that Australia secured one a few years ago.

    The statement, signed by National President Seamus Boyle, and Dan Dennehy, the order’s national immigration chairman, reiterated that since its inception 175 years ago, the AOH has been active in working to improve the lives of Irish immigrants.

    The statement, which is reproduced here in its near entirety said: “Now celebrating our 175th year, we continue to live up to the preamble of the AOH Constitution which requires that we encourage an equitable U.S. Immigration law for Ireland, and to cooperate with all groups for a fair American immigration policy.

    “In the 1960s, AOH members participated in an effort to prevent removal of the quota of Irish visas by the Immigration Act of 1965. Those concerns were proven as successive economic downturns have left many of the Irish without the option to emigrate legally to the U.S. In the last 25 years, AOH has worked with the Irish Immigration Reform Movement, Irish Lobby For Immigration Reform, as well as many other organizations and government officials from the two nations, and elsewhere, to rectify the quota and restore the important cultural exchange between Ireland and the U.S.

    “Current events and developments prove our understanding of the need to work with others to meet this goal. One of the great developments of the recent weeks was a videoconference and one week later a teleconference facilitated by the Coalition of Irish Immigration Centers and the Irish embassy.

    “In cities across the U.S., Irish immigration advocates, in many cases seeing and speaking live to each other for the first time, shared ideas on the recent moves by Congress.

    “AOH, ILIR and Rep. Bruce Morrison, Boston Irish and Chicago Celts and several other advocacy groups outlined recent work towards an Irish E3 and concerns for the undocumented. We look forward to working with all of the groups towards a successful outcome.

    “The second and more immediate development is the introduction of two bills that propose an Irish E3. The first bill was proposed by Senators Schumer, Leahy and Durbin and it was quickly followed by the Irish Immigration and Encouragement Act sponsored by Republican Senators Brown (MA) and Kirk (IL).

    “While neither bill solves the undocumented issue, they do address future flow from Ireland. The bills would modify the E3 visa, currently available to only Australia and a few select countries. The modifications would recognize Ireland’s excellent education system and allows Irish Nationals with a ‘leaving cert’ or two years experience in a trade to apply for 10,500 two year renewable visas. We are grateful to the sponsors of both of these bills for their recognition of the longstanding inequities relating to immigration from Ireland.

    “Right now, AOH members across the U.S. are meeting and reaching out to their U.S. representatives and senators as part of the initiative to secure “the Irish E3 Visa.” The AOH maintains that Ireland has been extremely supportive to U.S. Homeland Security and Defense with the Shannon Stopover of U.S. Troops coming and going from the War On Terror and the innovations of U.S. Customs and Immigration at Ireland’s Shannon and Dublin airports.

    “We are asking Congress to thank Ireland with an E3 as it had Australia in 2005. In this way, with 10,500 annual renewable visas, a secure and legal path to immigration will be restored, preventing the need for Irish people to seek less desirable methods to escape the current economic hardships in Ireland and strengthen the bond between our two nations.”

  9. #984
    Quote Originally Posted by immitime View Post
    Jack,

    For now only Senators! I know you meant Senators..:-)
    yup "Senators"

  10. #985
    Quote Originally Posted by lalaji View Post
    Irish lobby is getting stronger

    From Oh Law firm update:

    The Ancient Order of Hibernians is this week praising the emergence of not one, but two bills in Congress that promise E-3 renewable visas to Irish applicants.

    In a statement, The order avoided placing itself in between the two bills, one offered by Senate Democrats, and the other by Senate Republicans, and instead focused on the reasons why Ireland should be the recipient of an E-3 visa deal, much in the way that Australia secured one a few years ago.

    The statement, signed by National President Seamus Boyle, and Dan Dennehy, the order’s national immigration chairman, reiterated that since its inception 175 years ago, the AOH has been active in working to improve the lives of Irish immigrants.

    The statement, which is reproduced here in its near entirety said: “Now celebrating our 175th year, we continue to live up to the preamble of the AOH Constitution which requires that we encourage an equitable U.S. Immigration law for Ireland, and to cooperate with all groups for a fair American immigration policy.

    “In the 1960s, AOH members participated in an effort to prevent removal of the quota of Irish visas by the Immigration Act of 1965. Those concerns were proven as successive economic downturns have left many of the Irish without the option to emigrate legally to the U.S. In the last 25 years, AOH has worked with the Irish Immigration Reform Movement, Irish Lobby For Immigration Reform, as well as many other organizations and government officials from the two nations, and elsewhere, to rectify the quota and restore the important cultural exchange between Ireland and the U.S.

    “Current events and developments prove our understanding of the need to work with others to meet this goal. One of the great developments of the recent weeks was a videoconference and one week later a teleconference facilitated by the Coalition of Irish Immigration Centers and the Irish embassy.

    “In cities across the U.S., Irish immigration advocates, in many cases seeing and speaking live to each other for the first time, shared ideas on the recent moves by Congress.

    “AOH, ILIR and Rep. Bruce Morrison, Boston Irish and Chicago Celts and several other advocacy groups outlined recent work towards an Irish E3 and concerns for the undocumented. We look forward to working with all of the groups towards a successful outcome.

    “The second and more immediate development is the introduction of two bills that propose an Irish E3. The first bill was proposed by Senators Schumer, Leahy and Durbin and it was quickly followed by the Irish Immigration and Encouragement Act sponsored by Republican Senators Brown (MA) and Kirk (IL).

    “While neither bill solves the undocumented issue, they do address future flow from Ireland. The bills would modify the E3 visa, currently available to only Australia and a few select countries. The modifications would recognize Ireland’s excellent education system and allows Irish Nationals with a ‘leaving cert’ or two years experience in a trade to apply for 10,500 two year renewable visas. We are grateful to the sponsors of both of these bills for their recognition of the longstanding inequities relating to immigration from Ireland.

    “Right now, AOH members across the U.S. are meeting and reaching out to their U.S. representatives and senators as part of the initiative to secure “the Irish E3 Visa.” The AOH maintains that Ireland has been extremely supportive to U.S. Homeland Security and Defense with the Shannon Stopover of U.S. Troops coming and going from the War On Terror and the innovations of U.S. Customs and Immigration at Ireland’s Shannon and Dublin airports.

    “We are asking Congress to thank Ireland with an E3 as it had Australia in 2005. In this way, with 10,500 annual renewable visas, a secure and legal path to immigration will be restored, preventing the need for Irish people to seek less desirable methods to escape the current economic hardships in Ireland and strengthen the bond between our two nations.”
    Thanks to Attorney Matthew OH , that he stopped mixing H.R.3012 with Irish E-3 issue which un-necessary creates chaos in the minds of less informed Folks, As indicated earlier H.R.3012 will pass as it is. with out any amendment for sure as of now.
    Last edited by immitime; 01-05-2012 at 10:17 AM.

  11. #986
    I hope this happens with in couple of weeks or in a month as soon as senate comes back from recession.....as days pass may objections pop up and also this is election year....fingers crossed...hoping the bill passes at the earliest

    Quote Originally Posted by immitime View Post
    Thanks to Attorney Matthew OH , that he stopped mixing H.R.3012 with Irish E-3 issue which un-necessary creates chaos in the minds of less informed Folks, As indicated earlier H.R.3012 will pass as it is. with out any amendment for sure as of now.

  12. #987
    few weeks old article: some more ammunition if anyone need with some more studies/data

    http://www.inc.com/eric-markowitz/im...-creators.html

  13. #988
    Quote Originally Posted by mesan123 View Post
    I hope this happens with in couple of weeks or in a month as soon as senate comes back from recession.....as days pass may objections pop up and also this is election year....fingers crossed...hoping the bill passes at the earliest

    Let it Pass.. ASAP all our prayers and support will increase the passage of this bill in a shorter timeline from now.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackbrown_890 View Post
    few weeks old article: some more ammunition if anyone need with some more studies/data

    http://www.inc.com/eric-markowitz/im...-creators.html
    Yeah. The following in above article is the great mantra all the Politicians agree,during election year.

    "There's a possibility that we can move on smaller measures that would be less controversial that don't involve comprehensive immigration reform," Anderson says. "That small success may breed larger success."

  14. #989
    I know lot of us want to do something about 3012..but congress is in recess and won't be back till Jan. 23. so I would like to start a debate on what/if we should do (advocacy) after 3012. no comprehensive reform but piecemeal like 3012

    Please reply with your suggestions on our options/opportunities to convince someone in congress to more for EB community (options that have chances of being introduced and/or becoming law in 2012)
    I am just throwing ideas:
    We do have few options but i was thinking of:

    * what if we come up with an idea of working with one or more congresswoman for introducing a legislation which includes (with possibly help of woman's rights organizations):
    EAD for H4 spouses + exclusion of dependents from EB numbers (because that is not FAIR to H4 dependents that they can't legally work) (another FAIR bill)
    the reason behind congressWOMAN is because in my understanding there are lots of H4 dependents who are women married to H1 holder men. (probably more women thn men)
    We first need some numbers on the ratio of H4 dependents (male vs female)
    We can thn contact Woman's rights group like (NOW) and explain them many women can't work because of this law that dependents of H1 are not allowed to work in USA since majority of H4 dependents are women...(if it is true)
    On top of that if H4 spouses can work thn they will have a right apply for their own EB visa separate from their Spouse. if they get their own EB visa thn it will count towards EB visa number and if they don't work thn it should not count towards EB number.....
    here the argument could be encouraging them to apply for their own EB visa by allowing them to work and making them independent and if the dependents are not using visa numbers (140,000), they can have a program for next 3-5 years or more by reserving 7% of 140,000 for dependent spouse...which will encourage them to be independent (in this case specially women)
    So the argument is the law that h4 can't work actually make and/or in a way paralyzes lot of women to be dependents to their husbands.
    Specially in cases like Chinese and Indians since they can't get their GCs for years and they have to stay here on h1/h4 for years..thus h4 holders can't work for years.. unless they get their own h1b..(i don't have the data/numbers to back the arguments) (I may be totally wrong since this was my guess and not majority H4s are women--- or may be majority h4 get h1) please provide information on this if you have any information...

    Does any of these make sense???
    I am just trying to start the debate on this issue until we become active (when senate comes back)..and there is a possibility people may have already discussed this here or on other forums...
    Let me know your thoughts...
    Thank you.
    Last edited by jackbrown_890; 01-05-2012 at 12:10 PM.

  15. #990
    We had drafted a petition sometime back which had the following key points:

    1. FIFO for EB Visas without country caps - this turned into HR-3012
    2. Do not count dependents in EB visa cap - can be done with an administrative fix
    3. Recapture of lost visas - seems politically untenable

    Your point above is valid and should be added:
    4. Allow dependents (H4) to work and study in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by jackbrown_890 View Post
    I know lot of us want to do something about 3012..but congress is in recess and won't be back till Jan. 23. so I would like to start a debate on what/if we should do (advocacy) after 3012. no comprehensive reform but piecemeal like 3012

    Please reply with your suggestions on our options/opportunities to convince someone in congress to more for EB community (options that have chances of being introduced and/or becoming law in 2012)
    I am just throwing ideas:
    We do have few options but i was thinking of:

    * what if we come up with an idea of working with one or more congresswoman for introducing a legislation which includes (with possibly help of woman's rights organizations):
    EAD for H4 spouses + exclusion of dependents from EB numbers (because that is not FAIR to H4 dependents that they can't legally work) (another FAIR bill)
    the reason behind congressWOMAN is because in my understanding there are lots of H4 dependents who are women married to H1 holder men. (probably more women thn men)
    We first need some numbers on the ratio of H4 dependents (male vs female)
    We can thn contact Woman's rights group like (NOW) and explain them many women can't work because of this law that dependents of H1 are not allowed to work in USA since majority of H4 dependents are women...(if it is true)
    On top of that if H4 spouses can work thn they will have a right apply for their own EB visa separate from their Spouse. if they get their own EB visa thn it will count towards EB visa number and if they don't work thn it should not count towards EB number.....
    here the argument could be encouraging them to apply for their own EB visa by allowing them to work and making them independent and if the dependents are not using visa numbers (140,000), they can have a program for next 3-5 years or more by reserving 7% of 140,000 for dependent spouse...which will encourage them to be independent (in this case specially women)
    So the argument is the law that h4 can't work actually make and/or in a way paralyzes lot of women to be dependents to their husbands.
    Specially in cases like Chinese and Indians since they can't get their GCs for years and they have to stay here on h1/h4 for years..thus h4 holders can't work for years.. unless they get their own h1b..(i don't have the data/numbers to back the arguments) (I may be totally wrong since this was my guess and not majority H4s are women--- or may be majority h4 get h1) please provide information on this if you have any information...

    Does any of these make sense???
    I am just trying to start the debate on this issue until we become active (when senate comes back)..and there is a possibility people may have already discussed this here or on other forums...
    Let me know your thoughts...
    Thank you.
    EB2I NSC | PD: 08/07/2009 | Forum Glossary

  16. #991
    I should say I am against any kind of reservation from the 140K pool. We have so little numbers already, so there is no scope for reservation. If they need additional numbers, let the visa numbers go up by that many numbers.

    Exemption of dependents from visa numbers is the best option.
    If that does not work, dependents should be able to draw visa numbers from FB category and be able to apply for AOS based on their primary's PD in EB category. - a bit twisted logic -- I know

    Technically dependents should not draw visa numbers from EB category as their visa is not based on labor certification or I-140. If I am not mistaken in diversity visa dependents are already exempt from visa numbers.
    Last edited by gcq; 01-05-2012 at 12:37 PM.

  17. #992
    Jack,

    There is a proposal for this on reginfo, which states implementation date as 03/2012(admin fix without legislation)

    http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAg...&RIN=1653-AA56

    But I will always suspect this why because previously there was same kind of rule making agenda for filing of I-485 (adjustment of status not exactly but pre-registration when the PD is not current.) for any approved I-140. But this was way back in 2008-2009, our Great Uncle grassley and his companion tails in USCIS leaked the USCIS memo and made it a big issue, Uncle wrote a letter along with 3 other senators to Mr.Mayorkas to stop this. it seems USCIS agreed to it, and it was abandoned.

    Uncle is a great hinderance to all the good thinking lawful immigrants.. Uncle should be educated by lobbying for his election campaign ( tons of money, texas farmhouse, private chopper, private planes to use) or in the Senate/Congress this fillibuster rule should be eliminated by amendment. otherhwise no immigration bill or adminfix will be passed on time with out cloture motion as per the political situation today. (eventhough just 6 months before last senate election, Uncle decided not to contest, but for unknown reasons he contested again and won from Iowa.)

    Moral of the story: - More than Truth and Justice, Money (so called lobbying and political power prevails.

  18. #993
    I remember reading it on Reginfo long time ago...
    may be we should start a petition to support the idea of allowing H4 dependents from Woman's rights point of view by allowing them to be independent..and include this admin fix..
    i am sure if we have a petition,,hopefully one of the congressmen/women will notice the petition and may decide to do something about it by bringing up a legislation..if we get support from woman's rights group.
    and i agree "lobbying" would be great but if we had that much money...may be ** is doing that with all the money they are getting from donations..


    GCQ
    i too don't like the idea of any reservation but the reason i mentioned reservation is because it may give n incentive to woman's rights group to give us their full support..
    and i said - reserved visas out of 140,000 because,, house is controlled by Republicans and they will not allow any visa number increase at all.. I think bill any increase in visa number will not even make it out any subcommittee in today political climate

  19. #994
    H4 is for spouses..not specifically men or women.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackbrown_890 View Post
    I remember reading it on Reginfo long time ago...
    may be we should start a petition to support the idea of allowing H4 dependents from Woman's rights point of view by allowing them to be independent..and include this admin fix..
    i am sure if we have a petition,,hopefully one of the congressmen/women will notice the petition and may decide to do something about it by bringing up a legislation..if we get support from woman's rights group.
    and i agree "lobbying" would be great but if we had that much money...may be ** is doing that with all the money they are getting from donations..


    GCQ
    i too don't like the idea of any reservation but the reason i mentioned reservation is because it may give n incentive to woman's rights group to give us their full support..
    and i said - reserved visas out of 140,000 because,, house is controlled by Republicans and they will not allow any visa number increase at all.. I think bill any increase in visa number will not even make it out any subcommittee in today political climate
    EB2I: PD 08-20-2009 || SC: TSC || RD: 2/10/2012 || ND: 2/15/2012 || FP: 3/14/2012 || RN: SRC1290146*** || EAD/AP-Dependent 3/16/2012 (combo card) received || EAD/AP-Applicant: 3/26/2012 (combo card) first received || Medical/EVL RFE Response Sent with AC21: First time on 7/24/2014, second time on 01/22/2016 || Now what?
    If I were God, I'd give GC to all!

  20. #995
    I know it is for Spouses..but if you read my earlier post. it says clearly,, it is my assumption - (and i am not sure if the numbers/data will support my argument) that majority of H4 are Women..

  21. #996
    Quote Originally Posted by jackbrown_890 View Post
    I remember reading it on Reginfo long time ago...
    may be we should start a petition to support the idea of allowing H4 dependents from Woman's rights point of view by allowing them to be independent..and include this admin fix..
    i am sure if we have a petition,,hopefully one of the congressmen/women will notice the petition and may decide to do something about it by bringing up a legislation..if we get support from woman's rights group.
    and i agree "lobbying" would be great but if we had that much money...may be ** is doing that with all the money they are getting from donations..


    GCQ
    i too don't like the idea of any reservation but the reason i mentioned reservation is because it may give n incentive to woman's rights group to give us their full support..
    and i said - reserved visas out of 140,000 because,, house is controlled by Republicans and they will not allow any visa number increase at all.. I think bill any increase in visa number will not even make it out any subcommittee in today political climate
    Good idea, we can create petitons which will give information to the Congressmen/Senators, but without Lobbying nothing is going to move as legislation. And there can be another argument here like if L2 spouses/dependents can work why not H4? Women rights may not be a valuable argument, As Self.Coach said H4 is only for dependents!

  22. #997
    Quote Originally Posted by sportsfan33 View Post
    Ironically, the reason L2 spouses could work was because L1 was more of a temporary visa that had no chance of leading towards a permanent residency (which changed with EB1C later). With H1B, it was different, because 6 years is a long time that could easily allow someone to file for AoS. That, and also some lobbying would have been involved.

    That said, that viewpoint seems to be changing. According to my lawyer, CO was motivated to move the dates because he wanted the H4 spouses to work and fill in the employment in skilled IT sector to generate more revenues for their companies and more taxes for the government. At some point, the monkeys on the capitol hill will "get it".

    I also agree that we should not be mixing H4 with women's rights though it is statistically indisputable that the majority of H4s are women. However law does not concern itself with statistics and should be enacted because of its "principles". In principle, an H4 spouse should be allowed to work, because he/she has potential as a human being to seek employment and empowerment that helps everyone in the long run.
    Even L1 visa is for 5 years. and 5 years is a long time.

    Lawyers concerns and information should be taken always with a pinch of salt. We can see various lawyers predicting and failing miserably. If by the lawyers logic I am suprised why can't they make the date current for all?? more taxes more revenue. is it not? No logic in that argument.

  23. #998
    CO cannot/do not make policy decisions. He is just another government officer assigned with the duty of allocating visa numbers as per the law. If lawyer/CO thinks otherwise, they are wrong.

  24. #999
    Quote Originally Posted by sportsfan33 View Post
    I always viewed L1 as a more temporary and restrictive visa, because it does not force the company to pay prevailing wages and changing jobs on L1 is nearly impossible. Yes, their spouses could work, but no one really wanted to work on L1 ever (until the EB1C gates were opened). I had seldom encountered people from L1 applying for AoS until recently (EB1C).

    Making the dates current is not practical for several reasons. A) EAD renewal headache, B) The danger of concurrent filing, and C) Political pressure. However the USCIS is looking out for revenue, and the aggressive date movement completely supports that theory. They have to manage an "organized chaos" if you vow - they will inflate the balloon as much as possible without bursting it.

    Also, the date movement depends upon CO, and my lawyer had claimed that CO wants H4 spouses to get their EADs ASAP. I had posted this information several days ago on the thread of the predictions. Since my lawyer claims to know CO (and lives in the vicinity on Capitol Hill, where he spent a good many years as a lobbyist), I can take his word for it. My point was that there are some people in the administration already who understand the value that dependent spouses can add to the economy and it will only take some political willpower to change the status quo and start granting EADs to H4 spouses. At a minimum, EADs could be given while the petitioner is waiting to file I485 (after the clearance of I140).
    Just one word I would say "Immigration is Broken and they should fix it" Whatever debate we are having here, is not going to make any change. it is what it is.
    Yes we can be clear about things with available data.

  25. #1000
    So the next question is, if we start a petition, what should be include in our petition..
    EB spouses and H4 Spouses are both dependents and lot of times same..so solving EB problem i.e. allowing EADs after clearance of I140 may in a way solve H4 problems too,
    And i do understand we don't want to mix woman's rights issue and H4 are not directly co-related but indirectly they,,but not to mix them

    back to the main point: so what else should we include in this so called "new petition" in support of d idea of "dependents should not draw visa numbers from EB category"
    I do think, keep it small (piecemeal) and not include lot of stuff with it and it will have more chances of being introduced and eventually passing in the congress in this political climate..
    anyone wants to take a lead in drafting a petition?

    Here is one point from old petition (was created with help of q members and also with help of ** members):

    Remove Counting of Family Members towards EB visa Cap.
    Today Family members (i.e. dependents of the primary EB applicant) are counted towards the EB cap. It makes the already paltry and artificial EB cap even smaller allowing approximately only 60K true skilled workers to enter the workforce every year.


    also words from another petition from Change.org
    Currently dependents of certain visa holders are allowed to obtain work authorization in US, whereas this basic right is denied to another class of legal dependents ( H4 Visa holders who are the dependents of H1 temporary work visa holders). This disrupts their career, makes them financially dependent on their spouse,reduce the quality of life drastically which leads to depression, stress and low self esteem.

    A change is required in the law to allow these Dependents to acquire Employment Authorization Letter(EAD) to work temporarily in US, like other dependent visa holders like L2,E3,J2 etc.

    We need few more points for this petition: help pls
    TY

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