Discussion of Bills that remove the Per Country Limits - H.R.3012, H,R. 213

[manubhai]

The bill is being marked up tomorrow and FrIday.... Not making these calls will result in the bill getting stuck in committee limbo....

I want to point out about what Pedro calls "limbo" - Its actually "dead".

If the committees don't get to a "Yes...we'll send this to the house for a vote"... the chance of this bill being reconsidered in the committee itself is negligible. They have a truck load of bills to look at... and most of them usually end up dead...and that too if at all they are ever considered in a markup.

So yes... its more important to call those democrats and republicans of the House Judiciary committee now than when it'll be in the house. At that time, we'll just have to call as many as we can, esp. those who oppose it or don't have a stated "for" position on it.

[jackbrown_890]

So Judiciary committee may not even vote on it tomorrow. And they may not vote for some time. In that case why is it important to call before tomorrow. Shouldn't we call when they are ready to vote?

It will be as important to call them again when/if it will considered for voting in Judiciary Committee. And again it will be as important to call them when it actually goes for a vote in the main House. And if it passes the house we will have to call senate members to consider the bill in Senate. if they consider it, there will be a mark up and we will have to call again and thn once/if it makes it to senate for vote we will ahve to call senate members to pass it.
I think our major block will be senate because this bill is proposed by a republican house rep. and senate is controlled by democrats.
SO now back to why we need to call them right now: because if the see lot of people are calling about this bill, may be some democrats will support this bill like Zoe Logfren. And if we have some support of House democrats for this bill, it will become little easy for us to push this bill in Democrat controlled senate.
I am not trying scare anyone but just telling the reality. Keep in mind it is not going to be easy. We all need to do some hard work.
From my side, I see - calling house reps from my area is not hard work since it will take me only few mins. and same for you or Q or Spec or V..but the hard work for us is to convince 1000s of people call at every major step of this bill and keep doing it till we get it passed.
So i hope this explains why you need to call. But don't stop there, tell people you know to call too and tell them to tell other people to make a phone call.

also i want to be clear on something here. Some of you questioning why is this bill important, and why do we support this bill now even though you have supported many bills in the past and they did not pass...
i may have mentioned it in the past:
the main reasons
1: this is proposed by House Republican
2: house is controlled by republicans
3: it is similar to Zoe's bill and she has been trying to get similar bill passed but she belongs to minority party right now so the best she can do is make ammendments to this bill to match her bill
4: thus we can get bipartisan supprt
5: Co-Sponsor Lamar Smith: BIG THING - Smith is supporting this bill, he is usually against immigration,,his support makes this bill really important to make it thru Sub-committee since he is a chairman of Judiciary
6: lot of other organziations supporting it

Hope this makes some sense
good luck

[gcq]

I read in one post that Lofgren had offered to co-sponsor it, but Lamar Smith turned it down as Lofgren didn't support his E-Verify bill.
Still Lofgren may support it.

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencein...on.html?ref=ra

According to those who follow the STEM immigration debate closely, Lofgren wanted to co-sponsor a much narrower bill introduced last month by Representative Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) that would lift the current ceiling limiting the number of immigrants according to their country of origin. The Chaffetz bill, HR 3012, would benefit information technology companies trying to retain Indian software engineers who now face a 70-year wait for a green card. But Smith nixed the offer as payback for Lofgren's opposition to Smith's attempt to toughen E-Verify, a system for employers to weed out illegal aliens.)

[immitime]

Politics, Politricks, Politics... ultimate people suffering in this case EB immigrants.

Watch the live Judiciary committe hearing WEBCAST for Oct 13th 2011 started from 10:00 am, I think H.R. 3012 will be taken tomorrow.

http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/mark_10132011.html

Good luck to all. I have called all the republicans congressman and Democrat congressman as per the list, and will call again today and tomorrow.

I read in one post that Lofgren had offered to co-sponsor it, but Lamar Smith turned it down as Lofgren didn't support his E-Verify bill.
Still Lofgren may support it.

[geterdone]

The 3012 bill is under- Full Committee Markup. Does that mean they are taking it seriously? Many other hearings in the past was under sub-committee.

[immitime]

Never keep too much expectations. we can only Hope and with the backing of prayers.

The 3012 bill is under- Full Committee Markup. Does that mean they are taking it seriously? Many other hearings in the past was under sub-committee.

[Pedro Gonzales]

Never keep too much expectations. we can only Hope and with the backing of prayers.

The problem with a 'hope for the best, expect the worst' attitude is that it is a little fatalistic. In this case, there is some benefit in tempered optimism, because we have the ability to drive the fate of this bill. If people are excited about the prospects of its becoming law, they are more motivated to put in some effort.

We've managed to get over 1,000 clicks to this thread in just the last 3 days (i noticed a surge two nights ago when Q temporarily shut down the main thread). I'm hoping that's at least 500 unique visitors, and that we achieved a 3% conversion rate, so about 15 of us called all the congressmen on the list (I know at least 4 of us did and three of us more than once). I think that makes a difference.

Geterdone, Not a legislative expert, but from my research, I think you're right. The fact that it didn't get bumped to a subcommittee is encouraging. It's one deathtrap that's been avoided. There are many others.

[immitime]

Pedro,

Why I am saying this is last to last year there was a similar bill, it was voted down on congress, that is the end of it. so this year if there is support from both parties and there is no carpet pulling by antiimmigrants, then it could pass congress for sure but in "Senate" we need to cross our fingers and wait. There is going to be lot of arguments even in Congress, there will be lot of exclusion or inclusion according to various hidden interest. but you might know very will that is what POLITICS IS. Even president can do an executive order without congress or senate, but this one does not have the back bone for that. He wants everything comprehensive! My True wish is this bill should pass and become law ASAP!

The problem with a 'hope for the best, expect the worst' attitude is that it is a little fatalistic. In this case, there is some benefit in tempered optimism, because we have the ability to drive the fate of this bill. If people are excited about the prospects of its becoming law, they are more motivated to put in some effort.

We've managed to get over 1,000 clicks to this thread in just the last 3 days (i noticed a surge two nights ago when Q temporarily shut down the main thread). I'm hoping that's at least 500 unique visitors, and that we achieved a 3% conversion rate, so about 15 of us called all the congressmen on the list (I know at least 4 of us did and three of us more than once). I think that makes a difference.

Geterdone, Not a legislative expert, but from my research, I think you're right. The fact that it didn't get bumped to a subcommittee is encouraging. It's one deathtrap that's been avoided. There are many others.

[skpanda]

i do not see any video (windows media player opens but then says, it cannot play)? is the hearing complete?

Politics, Politricks, Politics... ultimate people suffering in this case EB immigrants.

Watch the live Judiciary committe hearing WEBCAST for Oct 13th 2011 started from 10:00 am, I think H.R. 3012 will be taken tomorrow.

http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/mark_10132011.html

Good luck to all. I have called all the republicans congressman and Democrat congressman as per the list, and will call again today and tomorrow.

[immi2910]

Thank you for explaining it clearly. So best case scenario they vote on it tomorrow. Most likely they debate on it. Worst case they table it.

It will be as important to call them again when/if it will considered for voting in Judiciary Committee. And again it will be as important to call them when it actually goes for a vote in the main House. And if it passes the house we will have to call senate members to consider the bill in Senate. if they consider it, there will be a mark up and we will have to call again and thn once/if it makes it to senate for vote we will ahve to call senate members to pass it.
I think our major block will be senate because this bill is proposed by a republican house rep. and senate is controlled by democrats.
SO now back to why we need to call them right now: because if the see lot of people are calling about this bill, may be some democrats will support this bill like Zoe Logfren. And if we have some support of House democrats for this bill, it will become little easy for us to push this bill in Democrat controlled senate.
I am not trying scare anyone but just telling the reality. Keep in mind it is not going to be easy. We all need to do some hard work.
From my side, I see - calling house reps from my area is not hard work since it will take me only few mins. and same for you or Q or Spec or V..but the hard work for us is to convince 1000s of people call at every major step of this bill and keep doing it till we get it passed.
So i hope this explains why you need to call. But don't stop there, tell people you know to call too and tell them to tell other people to make a phone call.

also i want to be clear on something here. Some of you questioning why is this bill important, and why do we support this bill now even though you have supported many bills in the past and they did not pass...
i may have mentioned it in the past:
the main reasons
1: this is proposed by House Republican
2: house is controlled by republicans
3: it is similar to Zoe's bill and she has been trying to get similar bill passed but she belongs to minority party right now so the best she can do is make ammendments to this bill to match her bill
4: thus we can get bipartisan supprt
5: Co-Sponsor Lamar Smith: BIG THING - Smith is supporting this bill, he is usually against immigration,,his support makes this bill really important to make it thru Sub-committee since he is a chairman of Judiciary
6: lot of other organziations supporting it

Hope this makes some sense
good luck

[nishant2200]

great effort guys. This is it. This is the last chance I feel for until after election. I sent letter and now going to call in lunchtime.

right now they are talking about the right to carry guns on the webcast! It seems we shall be discussed after this, looking at the order of bills on the webpage immitime put.

[skpanda]

how are you able to see the webcast? when i click on it... windows media player opens and then after a while tells it cannot play the video.

great effort guys. This is it. This is the last chance I feel for until after election. I sent letter and now going to call in lunchtime.

right now they are talking about the right to carry guns on the webcast! It seems we shall be discussed after this, looking at the order of bills on the webpage immitime put.

[immi2910]

Ron Gotcher says (http://www.immigration-information.c...ll=1#post63726) that bill would only worsen the situation as it is time limited. Is that true? I don't remember reading that this is a time limited bill.

[nishant2200]

how are you able to see the webcast? when i click on it... windows media player opens and then after a while tells it cannot play the video.

it worked for me. i am using chrome. when i click it download some asx file, and then when i click on the asx, it opens in windows media player.

I am having windows 7 professional.

[skpanda]

I am guessing he is very busy and did not have time to read the complete bill.

Ron Gotcher says (http://www.immigration-information.c...ll=1#post63726) that bill would only worsen the situation as it is time limited. Is that true? I don't remember reading that this is a time limited bill.

[geterdone]

i'm using xp and firefox 7.0.1 and it is working. everything works with xp. if this bill does not pass they should introduce a bill to give GC to eveyone on EB2 who uses xp.

it worked for me. i am using chrome. when i click it download some asx file, and then when i click on the asx, it opens in windows media player.

I am having windows 7 professional.

[Pedro Gonzales]

great effort guys. This is it. This is the last chance I feel for until after election. I sent letter and now going to call in lunchtime.

right now they are talking about the right to carry guns on the webcast! It seems we shall be discussed after this, looking at the order of bills on the webpage immitime put.

Have you been watching for a while? So, they haven't discussed it yet? I'm asking because i just heard from a congressman's staffer that he 'voted' in favor of the bill. Not sure if he misspoke.

[Pedro Gonzales]

Ron Gotcher says (http://www.immigration-information.c...ll=1#post63726) that bill would only worsen the situation as it is time limited. Is that true? I don't remember reading that this is a time limited bill.

I see you've got an account on that site and you are logged in. Can you ask him where he sees that? I just reread the bill and see no time limitation at all.

[nishant2200]

Have you been watching for a while? So, they haven't discussed it yet? I'm asking because i just heard from a congressman's staffer that he 'voted' in favor of the bill. Not sure if he misspoke.

Pedro, few minutes back was first time I watched. so maybe I have missed the discussion. I was just assuming they are talking about the bills in the order in which they are listed on http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/mark_10132011.html

that may not be true.

[nishant2200]

reflector-39480.asx

guys, this should be exact file name which you download. if you download again, the browser puts a (1), (2) etc on it, and it doesn't open on those. it will only open on file named above originally. this is from my experience.

I wished I had seen this thread in the morning, so would have at least kept the audio on in one ear since morning.

[geterdone]

a lawyer is giving his opinion on a bill introduced by a politician. you see the problem!

if interested in lawyer jokes:

http://www.bullyonline.org/successun...our/lawyer.htm

i hope i'm not wasting valubale time and space of Q

I am guessing he is very busy and did not have time to read the complete bill.

[immitime]

Depends on the browser you use and the video settings on the browser. just do some google, you will be alright, as what I can see they might take the bill
only by tomorrow it is a 2 day hearing. so only by tomorrow afternoon we can expect H..R.3012

H.R. 2870, the “Adam Walsh Reauthorization Act of 2011”;
H.R. 1254, the “Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011”;
H.R. 10, the “Regulations From the Executive in Need of Scrutiny Act of 2011”;
H.R. 822, the “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011”; and,
H.R. 3012, the “Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act”

http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/mark_10132011.html


H.R.3012 is last in the row.!!

i do not see any video (windows media player opens but then says, it cannot play)? is the hearing complete?

[Pedro Gonzales]

Pedro, few minutes back was first time I watched. so maybe I have missed the discussion. I was just assuming they are talking about the bills in the order in which they are listed on http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/mark_10132011.html

that may not be true.

i'm hearing on another forum too that it hasn't been discussed yet, so the staffer was possibly mistaken. He either misheard the bill I told him or just told me that he intends to vote in favor of the bill.

[skpanda]

i tried firefox/chrome - Windowx XP, Windows 7 etc does not work...Windows Media Player says, it cannot play.

I gave up trying... can somebody please update here at the end of day as to whats going on!

Thanks!

reflector-39480.asx

guys, this should be exact file name which you download. if you download again, the browser puts a (1), (2) etc on it, and it doesn't open on those. it will only open on file named above originally. this is from my experience.

I wished I had seen this thread in the morning, so would have at least kept the audio on in one ear since morning.

[gcq]

Ron is concerned about ROW folks. He himself being from a ROW country, it is just natural. He is referring to "time-limit" in terms of ROW. Once the 3 year transition phase is over, ROW won't have any visas reserved. That is what he is concerned about.

Another reason could be, he would be losing lot of porting revenue from I/C folks.