Discussion of Bills that remove the Per Country Limits - H.R.3012, H,R. 213

[ton_vj]

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.5893:
H.R. 5893, was introduced today by Republicans Michael Grimm (N.Y.), with the Republican co-sponsores Kevin Yoder (Kan.), Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) and Robert Dold (Ill.), and Democrat co-sponsors Loretta Sanchez (Calif.), Russ Carnahan (Mo.) and Jared Polis (Colo.). This bill contains elimination of per country limit to the employment-based immigration from the current immigration statute.

www.washingtonpost.com/business
/on-small-business/startup-act-20-house-lawmakers-introduce-senators-immigration-reform-bill/2012/06/05/gJQAAVHnGV_story.html

[Mavrick]

Looks like many trackitt users are getting message that HOLD has been lifted when they called Grassley's office now. Still, we have to wait until it is confirmed.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.5893:
H.R. 5893, was introduced today by Republicans Michael Grimm (N.Y.), with the Republican co-sponsores Kevin Yoder (Kan.), Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) and Robert Dold (Ill.), and Democrat co-sponsors Loretta Sanchez (Calif.), Russ Carnahan (Mo.) and Jared Polis (Colo.). This bill contains elimination of per country limit to the employment-based immigration from the current immigration statute.

www.washingtonpost.com/business
/on-small-business/startup-act-20-house-lawmakers-introduce-senators-immigration-reform-bill/2012/06/05/gJQAAVHnGV_story.html

[manubhai]

I called the Hon. Mr. Grassley directly to confirm.

He never picked up the phone:
http://thehill.com/video/senate/2313...g-floor-speech

[operas]

I called the Hon. Mr. Grassley directly to confirm.

He never picked up the phone:
http://thehill.com/video/senate/2313...g-floor-speech

LOL.. ! Appreciate your perseverance

[A_Tech_Softie]

Looks like someone in Mr. Grassley's office got pissed off with the number of calls about the same topic and started answering "YES" in frustration!

[immitime]

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[gs1968]

It is so sad that there is something like this news story happening almost daily.This is the reason why no STEM based Bill is ever going to make it through Congress without significant struggle

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/n...isa-fraud.html

[abcx13]

It is so sad that there is something like this news story happening almost daily.This is the reason why no STEM based Bill is ever going to make it through Congress without significant struggle

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/n...isa-fraud.html

And also why such a bill wouldn't be perfect (even though I stand to benefit from such a bill). The moment such a bill passes, diploma mills will be set up and Indians will come in in droves. Think about it - the only cost of a GC will be a MS program in a STEM degree. What do you think all Indian families with $50-70k to spare will do? Even if they don't have it, people will beg, borrow and steal to get a MS in the US. The system will eventually break down again because the supply of potential immigrants is too high. What is required is quality control. I think Cornyn's bill had a clause that qualifying universities need to have at least $5MM in federal research funding. I think this should be increased to a more substantial figure or some University ranking filters need to be added. I realize rankings are flawed but I don't have a better solution.

[gcq]

It is so sad that there is something like this news story happening almost daily.This is the reason why no STEM based Bill is ever going to make it through Congress without significant struggle

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/n...isa-fraud.html

Any system will have fraud. There are agencies responsible to investigate and deal with them. Having caught a fraud in the SEVIS system is no reason to abandon SEVIS altogether.

Again the same tactic by NUSA. Their argument, there was an instance of fraud in the system, eliminate the system itself. ( Unfortunately we immigrants fall for their tactic)

Real solution:
Fraud ? let ICE handle it.
Let the SEVIS program continue as is, as there is nothing wrong with the system.

[Mavrick]

Funny Stuff from Mr.Grassley

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...WN-iPhone.html

[Pedro Gonzales]

Politico has corrected their article. The hope-inducing sentence has been corrected to "Grassley recently announced he was working on an agreement to lift his hold on a bill by Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) that would eliminate the employment-based per-country visa cap." I'm almost certain that refers to his non-starter amendments from back in December. I have no reason to believe that anything else is in the works.
Also "An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that Sen. Grassley had lifted a hold on Rep. Chaffetz’ bill."

The whole article is at http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1xV051z66

[ontheedge]

Guys, what impact does this have on the other bills advocating removal of per country caps? Once again, legal immigration falls by the wayside when it comes to immigration 'reform' -

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/15/politi...html?hpt=hp_t1

[immitime]

Under present conditions US immigration means (I)LLegal only!... the most part of the immigration that politicians care is for Illegal people due to the votes they get from their supporters!... Legals any way pay tax! do everything Legal. so they can wait. That is the attitude of the Administration. And there is a Insider group which is benefitted by this called AILA.. all the attorneys make money! so this is a kind of insider trading!. Apart from it the Anti immigrants who support GrassUncle's hold, in the name of Protection of Jobs in US! Election Year anything can happen! wait for more circus when the Presidential debate starts!

[Mavrick]

Relief for Skilled Immigration community is coming folks. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Under present conditions US immigration means (I)LLegal only!... the most part of the immigration that politicians care is for Illegal people due to the votes they get from their supporters!... Legals any way pay tax! do everything Legal. so they can wait. That is the attitude of the Administration. And there is a Insider group which is benefitted by this called AILA.. all the attorneys make money! so this is a kind of insider trading!. Apart from it the Anti immigrants who support GrassUncle's hold, in the name of Protection of Jobs in US! Election Year anything can happen! wait for more circus when the Presidential debate starts!

[ontheedge]

Relief for Skilled Immigration community is coming folks. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

I hope your optimism pays off!

[immitime]

Finally some silverline, new negotiations happening with Grassuncle on H.R.3012

http://www.aila.org/mobile/default.aspx?mode=all

Full text posted on Ron Gotcher's imminfo forum link below

http://www.immigration-information.c...ad.php?t=17482

Read the latest message on AILA website

[vishnu]

Given the Politico article and now this, I am definitely starting to become more constructive on HR 3012. There is a small part of me which thinks that CO has moved EB2 ROW dates to 2009 (with talk that there may be cut off dates for even EB1) to reflect possible implemenetation of 3012 (as it would have to be retroactively applied to 2012 October). Just can't think of any other reason why CO would have been so reckless in moving EB2 IC dates so agressively and handing out GCs for 2008 and some 2009 applicants

[bvsamrat]

This is my 2 cents

EB2 WW date COD to 2009 and also EB2 U as it is now
May now get combined with a single COD by FY2013
It appears heading that way

Finally some silverline, new negotiations happening with Grassuncle on H.R.3012

http://www.aila.org/mobile/default.aspx?mode=all

Full text posted on Ron Gotcher's imminfo forum link below

http://www.immigration-information.c...ad.php?t=17482

Read the latest message on AILA website

[suninphx]

Finally some silverline, new negotiations happening with Grassuncle on H.R.3012

http://www.aila.org/mobile/default.aspx?mode=all

Full text posted on Ron Gotcher's imminfo forum link below

http://www.immigration-information.c...ad.php?t=17482

Read the latest message on AILA website

Looks promising..

[kd2008]

Due to President Obama's executive order, the antis have sprung in to action. They will start posting malicious articles by droves in the media pretty soon. They will paint illegals and legals in the same brush.

This means all politicians will run away from any immigration related legislative actions.

Sen. Grassley's demands are not extreme in my personal opinion. But I am not the broker for the deal. So I don't know what other people in negotiations think of it.

While I have wistful smile reading his amendment, I realistically do not expect it to go anywhere.

Please refrain from engaging in any verbal duel with the antis on any of the forums, in comments to any online articles. Do not bad mouth ROWs, illegals etc. If you wish to comment then just put forth your argument of fairness and economic benefits.

Also please do not conflate the visa bulletin date movement with the HR 3012 activity. The two are separate and independent. We do not need to raise suspicion when none exists. Mr. CO has no stake in HR 3012, probably hasn't read it, won't care for it one way or the other - it is not his concern whatsoever. There are no inside shenanigans or anything.

[vishnu]

very sensible thoughts KD2008...makes sense

[kd2008]

In the coming days, the U.S. Senate is expected to consider bipartisan legislation modernizing how green cards are awarded to equally skilled individuals. The bill would replace the per country cap with a more equitable, first-come-first served system – a change that would shorten the wait times for work visas for people from countries, such as India and China that generate large numbers of engineers and scientists. The tech sector is organizing a letter to show industry support for this important proposal. A strong showing of support from the industry most affected by this outdated system will help underscore the importance of this legislation to the industry and its workforce.

The tech industry letter in support of repealing per-country limit can be found at https://docs.google.com/a/technet.or...1WN0E6MA#gid=0

Please let the HR of your company know about this. Write a personal note on how you are affected by per-country limits. Ask them to sign the letter.

Also tell your friends working in other companies.

The deadline is June 26, 2012.

[Mavrick]

HR-3012 is ready for senate vote as per **

http://www.trackitt.com/usa-discussi...page/last_page

[Mavrick]

HR-3012 is ready for senate vote as per **

http://www.trackitt.com/usa-discussi...page/last_page

[Mavrick]

http://immigration-law.com/ also claims that Grassley is planning to lift hold on H.R.3012.

HR-3012 is ready for senate vote as per **

http://www.trackitt.com/usa-discussi...page/last_page