Discussion of Bills that remove the Per Country Limits - H.R.3012, H,R. 213

[pakkpk]

Heading of your post tells the story behind "This info was updated by a manager (known for *** advocacy efforts and respected name with in the organization)." Just kidding...

Spreading the Rumors....

There is a news that HR3012 would get reintroduced by April-May time frame with minimal changes as part of compromise talk with Sen Grassley. This is just a piece info which I thought to share with, I don't know anything beyond this.

[idiotic]

gs....the article was never about HR3012.....the article was pointed out coz it could mean to help HR3012 indirectly.

Anyway, this bill that Schumer is talking about is S.2233......its contents are not released on THOMAS yet.

Source: Oh Law Firm

Mike Lee (Sponsor of senate version of HR3012) is called as testimony to the hearing of S.2233

[idiotic]

S. 2233: A bill to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to stimulate international tourism to the United States.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s2233

[gs1968]

I had held a faint hope albeit wishful that the Senate might surprise us with unanimous passage of one of the myriad Bills with 3012 provisions but things are in cold storage for 3 weeks now. Today marks 4 months since House passage of H.R.3012

[abcx13]

I had held a faint hope albeit wishful that the Senate might surprise us with unanimous passage of one of the myriad Bills with 3012 provisions but things are in cold storage for 3 weeks now. Today marks 4 months since House passage of H.R.3012

I'd thought after the Rule XIV invocation, they'd just file cloture and be done with it. You'd think they could get 60 senators after the amzing bipartisan support this had in the House.

[gcq]

I'd thought after the Rule XIV invocation, they'd just file cloture and be done with it. You'd think they could get 60 senators after the amzing bipartisan support this had in the House.

It could have been the pre-charted route. What complicated it was Irish trying to attach E3 to HR 3012 and Schumer and Co readily agreeing to that. Invoking cloture anyways is a time consuming process. By invoking rule 14, the bill bypassed the judiciary committee. Whether to invoke cloture or clear it through negotiations are the two options at this point.

[abcx13]

It could have been the pre-charted route. What complicated it was Irish trying to attach E3 to HR 3012 and Schumer and Co readily agreeing to that. Invoking cloture anyways is a time consuming process. By invoking rule 14, the bill bypassed the judiciary committee. Whether to invoke cloture or clear it through negotiations are the two options at this point.

Well, let's see. Supposedly now they've agreed to split up the two bills - Irish E3 and HR3012 - and I believe Grassley's objections were more to E3 and trying to reform the H1B program by piggybacking on HR3012. I don't know why they just don't take up the two bills separately and get done with it.

[vizcard]

Well, let's see. Supposedly now they've agreed to split up the two bills - Irish E3 and HR3012 - and I believe Grassley's objections were more to E3 and trying to reform the H1B program by piggybacking on HR3012. I don't know why they just don't take up the two bills separately and get done with it.

Grassley had reservations about 3012 as it stands .. even before this E3 thing started

[essenel]

This article on H.R. 3012 was posted by some user on **. It's a good article. Re-posting it here:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/featu...d-out-20120315

[vizcard]

This article on H.R. 3012 was posted by some user on **. It's a good article. Re-posting it here:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/featu...d-out-20120315

the premise is good but its a badly written article. First they talk about the startup and the entrepreneurs, then they bring in HR3012 which has nothing to do with the issue the entrepreneurs are facing and then they say that even if HR3012 is passed, it won't help the entrepreneurs (which is true)... so why confuse the two issues.

[gs1968]

Information/news about this Bill has almost completely dried up but at least somebody at Microsoft still cares about this Bill

http://www.informationweek.com/news/...news/232800248

This is the only news alert that has shown up for me in the last 4 days-Thought I would share

[idiotic]

Information/news about this Bill has almost completely dried up but at least somebody at Microsoft still cares about this Bill

http://www.informationweek.com/news/...news/232800248

This is the only news alert that has shown up for me in the last 4 days-Thought I would share

At least a good thing in retrogression is that the Senators will know the real scale of backlog for EB2IC. Gives something for the lobbyists to show the Senators. I am sure if dates are showing up as May 2010, they may have good trouble in explaining the backlog to them as most of them are not aware of the intricate details why the dates are pushed artifically.

[idiotic]

..I believe Grassley's objections were more to E3 and trying to reform the H1B program by piggybacking on HR3012

Absolutely not. If you read Grassley's amendment he struck out entire HR3012 and added his bill in it with addition of line of increasing country limit to 15% instead of existing 7% for employment categories. That's pretty much it

[Mavrick]

After Jobs Act, Case turns focus to immigration

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business...,5980942.story

[abcx13]

After Jobs Act, Case turns focus to immigration

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business...,5980942.story

Doesn't mention anything abt HR3012.

[idiotic]

Doesn't mention anything abt HR3012.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sta...act-2012-04-05

[gs1968]

The Irish E-3 issue is still alive according to Irish Central although the article does not seem to reflect any real progress.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Sco...146793745.html

The comments section is interesting in that it claims Lamar Smith intends to oppose it if it reaches the House. Can other forum members provide a link to substantiate this?

[gcq]

The Irish E-3 issue is still alive according to Irish Central although the article does not seem to reflect any real progress.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Sco...146793745.html

The comments section is interesting in that it claims Lamar Smith intends to oppose it if it reaches the House. Can other forum members provide a link to substantiate this?

E3 passing house was always an "IF". All what Irish E-3 is doing is slowing down the progress of HR 3012.

[abcx13]

E3 passing house was always an "IF". All what Irish E-3 is doing is slowing down the progress of HR 3012.

I think HR 3012 is dead now.

[vizcard]

I think HR 3012 is dead now.

Based on what ?

[abcx13]

Based on what ?

Based on the fact that there has been NO movement for the past three months and news has died down over the past two weeks.

[jackbrown_890]

I think we should start pushing for this bill again for next few days. Senate will be back in session from Monday. Start contacting senators from your area (call/write letters/emails/twit/FB/ etc....even talk to house reps after talking to a senator to push for this bill..all we need is few republican senators support.
Since Eb2 I/C has moved back to 2007, use that as a talking point.
Link to Senators : http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm
Thank you

[vizcard]

Based on the fact that there has been NO movement for the past three months and news has died down over the past two weeks.

Considering the political climate, priorities (JOBS bill, etc.) and just the manuveuring, I wouldn't say its dead. No news is good news in this regard.

[abcx13]

Considering the political climate, priorities (JOBS bill, etc.) and just the manuveuring, I wouldn't say its dead. No news is good news in this regard.

I think you're being over-optimistic. If some compromise deal was to be reached, it would have been reached by now. The fact that nobody has been even talking about doesn't bode well.

[vizcard]

I think you're being over-optimistic. If some compromise deal was to be reached, it would have been reached by now. The fact that nobody has been even talking about doesn't bode well.

I might be optimistic by nature. But given the facts, my opinion is that it is not "dead". It may be on its way there but I don't believe it's dead right NOW.