Discussion of Bills that remove the Per Country Limits - H.R.3012, H,R. 213

[ImmiWoman]

Good morning,

I am a new poster in this forum but I've been following with interest a few of your threads, being an immigrant myself. Actually I want to post a link I fond that hopefully will contribute to this discussion.

"In Washington, Senate bill pushes to aid Irish migrants
Senate bill draws questions, criticism
by Erin Kelly - Mar. 21, 2012 10:34 PM
Republic Washington Bureau"

Source: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...-migrants.html

[chengisk]

Politicians, primarily from the north east have suddenly come to realize the importance of the Irish block. They need the E-3 before the election to claim the votes. While Massachusetts has a 23% population of Irish descent and Iowa only has 13%. Hence the politics of involving and blocking. Hopefully they will stop the bickering and as Sen.Brown once called it "Pop" the bill.

[lalaji]

Latest news:

03/22/2012: Interesting Report of Arizona Republic on Potential Success of Tri-Senators Nego Leading to Bi-Partisan Passage of Irish E-3 Visa Bill in the Senate

As this reporter speculated earlier this morning, it appears that the negotiation among the three key Senators, Schumer, Grassley, and Brown has been making some in-road to comprise to "probably" to Schumer bill that combines H.R. 3012 and Irish E-3 visa bill. Senator Schumer earlier announced that he was willing to give up illegal Irish relief porttion of his bill and keep just legal Irish E-3 visa provision in his bill. That narrow down to a small difference between Sen. Brown bill and Sen. Schumer bill involving H.R. 3012. Brown bill did not include H.R. 3012. However, Sen. Brown afterwards conceded that he was willing to accept H.R. 3012 as part of the compromise. There was also one report earlier that Sen. Grassley was focusing on the tightening of the eligibility of Irish E-3 visa applicants to advanced level of professionals. Inasmuch as Sen. Grassley would drop his earlier position to add H-1B and L-1 restriction provisions to the bill, there is indeed some chance that the final product of the bi-partisan tri-party compromise can lead to the passage of the bill in the Senate. Please pay attention to the "dynamics" of the on-going compromise in the negotiation. We are trying to connect from dot to dot to assess the development. Please stay tuned to this website for the development of this news.

[abcx13]

Latest news:

03/22/2012: Interesting Report of Arizona Republic on Potential Success of Tri-Senators Nego Leading to Bi-Partisan Passage of Irish E-3 Visa Bill in the Senate

As this reporter speculated earlier this morning, it appears that the negotiation among the three key Senators, Schumer, Grassley, and Brown has been making some in-road to comprise to "probably" to Schumer bill that combines H.R. 3012 and Irish E-3 visa bill. Senator Schumer earlier announced that he was willing to give up illegal Irish relief porttion of his bill and keep just legal Irish E-3 visa provision in his bill. That narrow down to a small difference between Sen. Brown bill and Sen. Schumer bill involving H.R. 3012. Brown bill did not include H.R. 3012. However, Sen. Brown afterwards conceded that he was willing to accept H.R. 3012 as part of the compromise. There was also one report earlier that Sen. Grassley was focusing on the tightening of the eligibility of Irish E-3 visa applicants to advanced level of professionals. Inasmuch as Sen. Grassley would drop his earlier position to add H-1B and L-1 restriction provisions to the bill, there is indeed some chance that the final product of the bi-partisan tri-party compromise can lead to the passage of the bill in the Senate. Please pay attention to the "dynamics" of the on-going compromise in the negotiation. We are trying to connect from dot to dot to assess the development. Please stay tuned to this website for the development of this news.

If HR 3012 passes in the senate with the Irish E3 amendment, does that mean the per-country limits are lifted? Or does it have to go back to the house WITH the E3 amendment? Or does the House have to pass the E3 amendment separately? I.e. is it an all or nothing deal?

[gcq]

If HR 3012 passes in the senate with the Irish E3 amendment, does that mean the per-country limits are lifted? Or does it have to go back to the house WITH the E3 amendment? Or does the House have to pass the E3 amendment separately? I.e. is it an all or nothing deal?

Most of the news being referred are regarding the senate bill introduced by Schumer and Durbin which is a combination provisions of HR 3012 and E3. Technically this is a different bill that starts with "S" which means it originated in Senate. HR 3012 originated in house and is a separate bill. If the senate originated bill is approved by senate, it will have to go house once again.

On the other hand if HR 3012 was approved by senate, it could go directly to president's desk for signing.

Experts correct me if I am wrong.

[gs1968]

To gcq
I agree with you that a Bill with identical language has to pass through both Chambers and then signed into law. I did read the post on immigration-law but I had a hard time understanding what he was trying to convey.It is very unclear as to exactly what bill is in consideration.Senator Durbin made a speech on the Senate Floor with strong emphasis on the Irish angle with only a one-line mention of 3012 provisions.I seemed more like a plea to the Republicans than a forceful and fierce advocation of 3012 provisions. The widely quoted USAtoday article seems to suggest that the wider Bill continues to be blocked in the Senate with a move forward of the Irish provisions only with a few amendments from Senator Grassley.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...ess/53706766/1

I have no idea if 3012 provisions are holding up the Irish E-3 or vice-versa. The longer this drags on it seems the stronger the opposition will grow from anti-immigrant organizations. I was hoping it would be an easy under-the-radar slam dunk but it is proving to be anything but that.

As far as the process in Congress goes-if the Senate passes E-3 Bill alone obviously it will have to go in entirety to the House to be passed.If the Senate passes H.R 3012 and uses E-3 as an amendment then it has to be reconciled with the House Version.This can happen in one of a few ways.If the House leadership senses no objection to the amendments-the entire Bill is voted on by the House and sent to president.The senate and house can also appoint a conference committee for differences in the Bill to be ironed out. If both Senate and House negotiators can agree to a compromise Bill (usually called a Joint Resolution) then this resolution is voted on in both chambers and becomes the text of the Bill.Only a simple majority is needed to pass and not the 60 vote threshold in the Senate.If the negotiators cannot agree on a compromise the Bill is deemed to have "died" in conference and no further action taken.

On a different note the House passed the Bill 371-0 to allow Israeli E-2 non-immigrant investors visa last week.Sen Schumer is a sponsor of S.921 which is the companion Bill to this in the Senate with 2 Republican co-sponsors.He might attempt to de-link the 3012 from the Irish E-3 and try to pass the Irish/Israeli non-immigrant Bills together.

We must keep up hope that something will happen this week before the Easter Recess. If cloture fails on the Oil Subsidies Bill and Postal Reform Bill then it will open up the rest of the week for the Senate

[Jonty Rhodes]

Roy Beck from NumbersUSA on CNN to discuss Irish E3 Visa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=k5oTaCjCUZk

[kuku82]

Interesting......

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/us...e-otherstories

[Jonty Rhodes]

Interesting......

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/us...e-otherstories

I just read it on NDTV and logged in on forum to post this but then saw that you posted it already. Interesting that Senator Reid and Senator Schumer are so confident about this bill. Hopefully, this time it is a serious matter and not just a political rhetoric to please the Indian lobby.

[gs1968]

To Jonty Rhodes
Thanks for the info.
Where does the article mention about H.R 3012? The contents are very vague.I hope they are talking about the 3012 provisions but reently there was a letter from Indian IT firms to USCIS which has muddied the waters.We have to wait and see.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...ction_on_visas

[gcq]

To Jonty Rhodes

Indian, U.S. firms urge Obama action on visas

What these indian firms don't realize is, it is Obama who is behind these visa refusals.

[Kanmani]

Friends
Kindly continue your discussions on immigration fraud here .......http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...igration-fraud

[gs1968]

Clearly the Senate has already switched to recess mode.I have copied a link below to the possible activities this week and it appears like there is going to be a non-serious debate with definite failure on the Oil tax subsidies Bill to run out the clock.We still have to watch for passage of our Bills by unanimous consent but there has been virtually no chatter on this on Indian/Irish/Immigration websites this week.
Hope springs eternal!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...es?showAll=yes

[JJcalifornian]

Spreading the Rumors....

There is a news that HR3012 would get reintroduced by April-May time frame with minimal changes as part of compromise talk with Sen Grassley. This is just a piece info which I thought to share with, I don't know anything beyond this.

[vizcard]

Spreading the Rumors....

There is a news that HR3012 would get reintroduced by April-May time frame with minimal changes as part of compromise talk with Sen Grassley. This is just a piece info which I thought to share with, I don't know anything beyond this.

Where is this news coming from? link ?

[essenel]

Spreading the Rumors....

There is a news that HR3012 would get reintroduced by April-May time frame with minimal changes as part of compromise talk with Sen Grassley. This is just a piece info which I thought to share with, I don't know anything beyond this.

Can you give us some clue as to where you got this information?

[pakkpk]

With luck, Mr. Grassley might change his position on these issues and, with continued bipartisan efforts, our nation will order business formed immigration policies that serve pursuit expansion in the US.

http://i74.info/the-great-overseas-jobs-creator/

[kuku82]

Unrelated to the below post: H.R.3012 has to be amended anyway before passage to begin the transition rules FY2013 onwards....

Spreading the Rumors....

There is a news that HR3012 would get reintroduced by April-May time frame with minimal changes as part of compromise talk with Sen Grassley. This is just a piece info which I thought to share with, I don't know anything beyond this.

[gs1968]

If the changes are minimal-why not make it and pass it right away?That dose not require much effort or time.We are coming close to 4 months since the House passed the Bill.

[JJcalifornian]

Can you give us some clue as to where you got this information?

I work for a fortune 100 company with more than 70k head count, and subscribed to a mailer relating to immigration. This info was updated by a manager (known for *** advocacy efforts and respected name with in the organization).

[essenel]

I work for a fortune 100 company with more than 70k head count, and subscribed to a mailer relating to immigration. This info was updated by a manager (known for *** advocacy efforts and respected name with in the organization).

Thanks for the info. Hope that it comes true....

[qesehmk]

That's because this may not be about substance. This is about rhetoric and public posturing. Grassley has done his gig to oppose this. Now the time to pass this may be coming.

So if this were to pass - there will be a dog and pony show to position Grassley as the hardliner who negotiated hard. I personally do not know how close the negotiations are.

But basically seems very standard and predictable route.

If the changes are minimal-why not make it and pass it right away?That dose not require much effort or time.We are coming close to 4 months since the House passed the Bill.

[abcx13]

I work for a fortune 100 company with more than 70k head count, and subscribed to a mailer relating to immigration. This info was updated by a manager (known for *** advocacy efforts and respected name with in the organization).

Any chance of you pasting the exact quote?

Thanks

[gs1968]

To Jonty Rhodes and Kuku
Referring to the earlier discussion of the meeting of Senators Reid/Schumer with Mr Sant Singh Chatwal, I came across this article and I feel that this is the bipartisan Bill that they were discussing about and not H.R 3012.Hope I am wrong!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nrf...ays-2012-03-27

[kuku82]

gs....the article was never about HR3012.....the article was pointed out coz it could mean to help HR3012 indirectly.

Anyway, this bill that Schumer is talking about is S.2233......its contents are not released on THOMAS yet.

Source: Oh Law Firm