Discussion of Bills that remove the Per Country Limits - H.R.3012, H,R. 213

[manubhai]

This same website OH law firm, was connecting everything in the world to H.R.3012, Irish lobbying. yada..yada yada..even one White House appointment he said it will affect H.R.3012, we know what attorneys need. just fear mongering and keeping would be immigrants on their toes! People are more aware of the Law now adays, their techniques no more works.

Just wait for the good thing to happen, will free all of us from the clutches of this idiotic wait. Keep the Prayers high and contact the Senators through email.

Agreed. We may be wrong if the senate does end up taking this today, but I doubt it.

Continuing what you are saying, and harping on what I usually do here - Its all good and nice that we are talking about this bill and law and details and articles and websites here. But at the end of it all, what will matter is whether or not this senator and that senator are willing to vote for it.

We can't do much anyways. But that doesn't mean we should not do the little we can. If you are spending your time on this forum, and NOT taking the time to call the senators, you need to rethink the real worthiness and effectiveness of how you are "wasting" your time on this board.

PLEASE, take 20 seconds and make a call. And then one more. And one more. It WILL have an impact.

[idiotic]

Cloture is not filed after filibuster. It is filed inorder to avoid the filibuster. If there is an objection (which is otherwise called hold/Notice of intent to object) for taking up the Bill , then the Bill cannot be discussed in the Senate Floor.

Once a bill is under hold it cannot be debated as such ,so as to start a debate there should be an vote whether to start the debate or not ( let us say Vote 1). If this vote1 is failed this is called filibuster.

To avoid this Vote1 , the cloture motion is filed to straight away go to small debate(within time limits) later final voting .

Some of the previous methods of looooong overnight debates to kill the bill in the name of filibusters are not in practice/abandoned.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/98-712.pdf
"Holds are an informal device unique to the upper body."...
"It is up to the majority leader to decide whether, or for how long, he will honor a
colleague’s hold. Scheduling the business of the Senate is the fundamental prerogative of the majority leader, and it is done in consultation with the minority leader."

[jackbrown_890]

No good news today from Senate....day in senate is almost over..... Reid did not file cloture motion for 3012...he did file cloture motion for some other bill (don't remember the number since it wasn't 3012).

[lalaji]

Update from Oh Law firm:

01/27/2012: Will Advocates of Stand-Alone H.R. 3012 Alienate Irish Support?

Irish support of the elimination of per country limit in employment-based immigration system is obviously conditioned upon their Irish E-3 visa legislation being attached to the H.R.3012. In other words, Irish community is supporting the Senate bill which is sponsored by Sen. Schumer tacking their E-3 visa legislation on the text of H.R. 3012 and not the House bill H.R. 3012 itself. From the perspectives of the Irish community, passage of the stand-alone H.R. 3012 implies a requiem for their Irish E-3 visa legislation. For the reasons, advocates of the stand-alone H.R. 3012 can take a risk of alienating their ally, Irish community, that can potentially work against the passage of the stand-alone H.R. 3012 bill in the Senate. Something to think about for the advocates of legislation to eliminate per country limit in the employment-based immigration. Wishful thinking can blind one from seeing the reality and importance of compromise and negotiation in the legislative process. Elimination of per country limit is important from the perspectives of fairness. It is just the reality of process of legislation in this country which the advocates should not ignore.

[immitime]

Update from Oh Law firm:

01/27/2012: Will Advocates of Stand-Alone H.R. 3012 Alienate Irish Support?

Irish support of the elimination of per country limit in employment-based immigration system is obviously conditioned upon their Irish E-3 visa legislation being attached to the H.R.3012. In other words, Irish community is supporting the Senate bill which is sponsored by Sen. Schumer tacking their E-3 visa legislation on the text of H.R. 3012 and not the House bill H.R. 3012 itself. From the perspectives of the Irish community, passage of the stand-alone H.R. 3012 implies a requiem for their Irish E-3 visa legislation. For the reasons, advocates of the stand-alone H.R. 3012 can take a risk of alienating their ally, Irish community, that can potentially work against the passage of the stand-alone H.R. 3012 bill in the Senate. Something to think about for the advocates of legislation to eliminate per country limit in the employment-based immigration. Wishful thinking can blind one from seeing the reality and importance of compromise and negotiation in the legislative process. Elimination of per country limit is important from the perspectives of fairness. It is just the reality of process of legislation in this country which the advocates should not ignore.

As always, this OH law firm is good for nothing, what connection this Irish bill have with H.R.3012? H.R.3012 already passed House with overwhelming majority, that does not mean that any TDH can add anything and present it along with it. and This bill is already placed in Senate Calender. The wait time is only to file cloture and have the voting date. That is about it. This bill and Irish E-3 bill are two seperate issues. OH want some traffic to his site and fear mongering words always is his habit. Stay Tuned... sound familiar???

[idiotic]

As always, this OH law firm is good for nothing, what connection this Irish bill have with H.R.3012? H.R.3012 already passed House with overwhelming majority, that does not mean that any TDH can add anything and present it along with it. and This bill is already placed in Senate Calender. The wait time is only to file cloture and have the voting date. That is about it. This bill and Irish E-3 bill are two seperate issues. OH want some traffic to his site and fear mongering words always is his habit. Stay Tuned... sound familiar???

I always get the impression that they want to see the bill getting derailed. They wont be shy of posting lies and their own imaginations without any basis. A better source of reliable events and more upto date news is www.aila.org.

[kd2008]

Monday floor schedule - another disappointment

http://democrats.senate.gov/2012/01/...nuary-30-2012/

Please do not count on HR 3012 being taken up at all. It has for all practical purposes gone dormant. General orders under Rule VIII contains all those bills which nobody wants to take the initiative to vote. HR 3012 in one of them.

If the lobbyists are any good and 16 Senators sign up for cloture, then we might have hope. I V is hopeful of removing Sen. G's hold. He rarely does so. It is futile. But worth a try. The cloture route is a hail Mary pass - absolute last ditch thing to do. So even if there are 16 Senators, nothing will be done for a few months.

Lets thank our stars that at least the VB is still moving ahead for EB2-IC.

[vishnu]

In general, I would not have any expectations over legislation passage. However, the overwhelming majority support for 3012 in House (without debate that too) still makes me confident that this legislation is something that congress wants to pass

[immitime]

Please do not count on HR 3012 being taken up at all. It has for all practical purposes gone dormant. General orders under Rule VIII contains all those bills which nobody wants to take the initiative to vote. HR 3012 in one of them.

If the lobbyists are any good and 16 Senators sign up for cloture, then we might have hope. I V is hopeful of removing Sen. G's hold. He rarely does so. It is futile. But worth a try. The cloture route is a hail Mary pass - absolute last ditch thing to do. So even if there are 16 Senators, nothing will be done for a few months.

Lets thank our stars that at least the VB is still moving ahead for EB2-IC.

If this bill was for dying dormant like that.. in first place Reid would not have considered to have it on Rule XIV.. He could have made this bill to go to any Judiciary committee. For this non-controversial bill..(there is created controversy in internet! but among politicians this is really FAIR bill only still) cloture motion is not a big deal. but there might be other priorities before taking this bill.

Please don't spread un necessary rumours about H.R. 3012

[gcq]

If this bill was for dying dormant like that.. in first place Reid would not have considered to have it on Rule XIV.. He could have made this bill to go to any Judiciary committee. For this non-controversial bill..(there is created controversy in internet! but among politicians this is really FAIR bill only still) cloture motion is not a big deal. but there might be other priorities before taking this bill.

Please don't spread un necessary rumours about H.R. 3012

Agree. Nowadays cloture is a normal business in Senate. It will remain so as long as obstructionists like Grassley are in senate. This bill will move to its logical conclusion.

kd,
I have to say your intuitions are incorrect as far as HR 3012 goes.
Happy for EB2 movement, but rest of us need GC too.

[mniwas]

I agree with immitime... please don't be discouraged ...and please don't talk negative... some of us are still in EB3 and desperately waiting for this bill to pass.

I also agree that... there was no compulsion on Reid to bring this bill to the senate floor.

[manubhai]

Please do not count on HR 3012 being taken up at all.

It has for all practical purposes gone dormant. General orders under Rule VIII contains all those bills which nobody wants to take the initiative to vote. HR 3012 in one of them.

If the lobbyists are any good and 16 Senators sign up for cloture, then we might have hope. I V is hopeful of removing Sen. G's hold. He rarely does so. It is futile. But worth a try. The cloture route is a hail Mary pass - absolute last ditch thing to do. So even if there are 16 Senators, nothing will be done for a few months.

Lets thank our stars that at least the VB is still moving ahead for EB2-IC.

KD - If someone else would have written it, I'd have not found it important to reply. You are one of those who has helped and guided a truck load of people here.

Only for that reason, I'd request that, in a note like what you have written, you differentiate between stating facts and stating your "opinion" of [arguably subjective?] facts.

Immitime - KD's "opinion" that we should "not count on HR 3012" and that "HR3012 is one of them" is valid and welcome because it should give us a pause and a reality check on the likelihood of this going through. I also wont go out to express as strongly as you that he's spreading rumors. But I get your hot blooded passion for this bill

I am not an expert here, but I know that things run really slowly. Which senator's which assistant is working his butt off to make a secretive list of senators who will be willing to be part of the cloture, we dont know. I am not a big fan of **, but I assume they are doing SOMETHING after the money they are taking in. Also, citing the election season as a reason for this thing dying down may not always be accurate. THIS is the time when contributions from commercial entities are important. This is also the time, when the extremely hated congress would love to say that not everything is killed in the house/senate and we do pass some bills. This bill seems contentious on the outside because people like us are seeing message boards and online comments on articles and petitions and the likes. But its likely different for the powers. There's a reason this "simple, tiny" thing passed the house with flying colors. There's a reason why "someone" felt that a senate sub-committee hearing wasn't required.

It is my opinion that this is not dead. Not even close.

On a side note - I was tempted not to reply. If all of us start saying that HR3012 is dead, it'll be awesome. Let the phone calls and meetings from the opposing side die down because they think ours have.

And to everyone else - You just spent 40 seconds reading the above message. You could have made calls to 2 senators in that much time. THAT would have helped you more than reading the above message. If kd's opinion about the current state of affairs is correct, we don't have too much time to bring the fight back.

[immitime]

Agree. Nowadays cloture is a normal business in Senate. It will remain so as long as obstructionists like Grassley are in senate. This bill will move to its logical conclusion.

kd,
I have to say your intuitions are incorrect as far as HR 3012 goes.
Happy for EB2 movement, but rest of us need GC too.

All GC allocation should be First in First out way without any category, because people now on EB-3 India here in US for 12 to 14 years minimal, most of them are Law Abiding TAX payers (mean they have a job and also 35 % tax is paid I am talking about people who want to become GC holders and eventually Citizens in their life time!!!) and they do not have a representation yet in Washington D.C. This is exactly a Human Rights violation and ridiculous to keep the dates still in Aug 2002 for EB-3 India

People can have different views but I accept it as their own views.

[kd2008]

KD - If someone else would have written it, I'd have not found it important to reply. You are one of those who has helped and guided a truck load of people here.

Only for that reason, I'd request that, in a note like what you have written, you differentiate between stating facts and stating your "opinion" of [arguably subjective?] facts.

Immitime - KD's "opinion" that we should "not count on HR 3012" and that "HR3012 is one of them" is valid and welcome because it should give us a pause and a reality check on the likelihood of this going through. I also wont go out to express as strongly as you that he's spreading rumors. But I get your hot blooded passion for this bill

I am not an expert here, but I know that things run really slowly. Which senator's which assistant is working his butt off to make a secretive list of senators who will be willing to be part of the cloture, we dont know. I am not a big fan of **, but I assume they are doing SOMETHING after the money they are taking in. Also, citing the election season as a reason for this thing dying down may not always be accurate. THIS is the time when contributions from commercial entities are important. This is also the time, when the extremely hated congress would love to say that not everything is killed in the house/senate and we do pass some bills. This bill seems contentious on the outside because people like us are seeing message boards and online comments on articles and petitions and the likes. But its likely different for the powers. There's a reason this "simple, tiny" thing passed the house with flying colors. There's a reason why "someone" felt that a senate sub-committee hearing wasn't required.

It is my opinion that this is not dead. Not even close.

On a side note - I was tempted not to reply. If all of us start saying that HR3012 is dead, it'll be awesome. Let the phone calls and meetings from the opposing side die down because they think ours have.

And to everyone else - You just spent 40 seconds reading the above message. You could have made calls to 2 senators in that much time. THAT would have helped you more than reading the above message. If kd's opinion about the current state of affairs is correct, we don't have too much time to bring the fight back.

Manubhai, thank you for your thoughts. Yes, please let me be very categorical here. My post was my opinion, and my thoughts. It is only an opinion. Not a rumor, not an assessment of what is happening or where the bill is headed. I apologize for not being clear about it.

I am in contact with both my Senators office. Talked to their field reps. Urging them every week in every which way possible. Emailing them pro-HR 3012 articles. Pleading my own personal situation. I have looked up Indian last names at http://www.yellowpages.com/whitepages and contacted folks to ask for their support. Urged Indian doctors in the community to take leadership.

If people don't want the bill to die, then do at least all of the above.

You are absolutely right about the reality check part. Folks like the OH law firm give an impression that the bill will be taken up shortly. People post on this forum that they were disappointed that it was not taken up today.

To me that is where I felt I needed to step in and give a reality check. Believe me, if it were to be taken up, voted or passed by unanimous consent or whatever, it will be made public at least on the day of vote. The day of House vote was known six days before the actual vote.

So lets buckle down, keep spreading the word and keep urging our Senators.

[imdeng]

Folks - do not be disappointed. Senate moves slowly and we have only just begun this session. Things will move. The bill is not dying/dormant - putting it under Rule-IVX shows that there is progress. Give the process the time it needs and you DO YOUR PART - WRITE to Senators (physical letters) and CALL their office. I have been writing physical letters and I am getting replies (one was even hand-signed!). Replies are the usual boilerplate - but someone somewhere is reading everything and it is adding to the mountain of evidence for the bill. DO YOUR BIT.

[mesan123]

Source: Ron forum

The Congressional Research Service released a report titled: Numerical Limits on Employment-Based Immigration: Analysis of the Per-Country Ceilings. This report articulates the pros and cons of the per country limits.
http://www.imminfo.com/Resources/Misc/R42048.pdf

[lalaji]

American jewisg commitee support for HR3012

http://www.ajc.org/atf/cf/%7B42d7536...TER_112911.PDF

[lalaji]

Update from Oh law firm:

01/28/2012: Up-to-Date Report of Irish S. 1983 Lobby to Secure 60 Votes in the Senate to Break Sen. Grassley's Potential Filibuster

Irish community appears to work hard in a fashion of all court pressing in support of the Senator Schumer bill, S. 1983, according to the Irish Central news report today. In a way, this can also be a good news for the H. R. 3012 supporters in that they can enjoy double dipping in the event that the stand-alone H.R. 3012 fails on the Senate floor, even though there is no information available about the Irish lobbyists' action on the stand-alone H.R. 3012. Should S. 1983 pass in the Senate, the bill should face some problem in the House because of the undocumented Irish relief provision. This site will keep monitoring the move in the Irish community.


Despite heavy snowfall on Thursday, 19th January, over 400 people attended a meeting at the West Side Irish American Club, Greater Cleveland’s to meet the Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform (ILIR).

ILIR visited Ohio to enlist support for the current Irish E3 Visa Bill (Senate Bill 1983). The bill was introduced in the Senate by Senator Schumer.

The lobbyist group was also enlisting support within the Irish American community to persuade U.S. Senator Rob Portman to support S1983.

Speaking at Cleveland’s largest and oldest Irish club Ciaran Staunton, President of the Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform, explained that neither the 400 Irish present nor their ancestors could have immigrated from Ireland to the USA under the current immigration law.

Many of those in attendance had immigrated to Ohio before the 1965 Immigration Act was passed.

While in Cleveland ILIR engaged in a series of public and private meetings with Irish American organizations and leaders in the Northern Ohio area. Among those pledging support were: Cleveland City Council President, Martin Sweeney, Members of the Ohio AOH, including past Ohio AOH President Roger Weist and current AOH National Director, Danny O’ Connell as well as members of the GAA and other community groups.

A crucial meeting took place on Friday between Senator Portman’s Ohio staff and leaders of the Irish American Ohio community to lobby for support of the Irish E3 visa and to advise Senator Portman on their position regarding the importance of this issue to their community.

Clevland Irish leader, Attorney John Myers stated that the “The Irish American Community is mobilized in it’s support for Senate Bill 1983 and understands the importance of Senator Portman’s support in getting to the magic “60” in the U.S. Senate.”


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Report abusePosted by bonjouryall on Jan 29, 2012, 11:06 AM EST
Best of luck to Sen. Shumer and these efforts! I would love to increase the number involved. I also realize that with the dismal economy, getting this bill passed with the present number will be a tremendous success.
Report abusePosted by Murph46 on Jan 29, 2012, 10:53 AM EST
I chuckle at some of you-Georgie is a curmudgeon who doesn't have anything better to do than stir the pot to agitate you(I'll even admit to doing similar things at times)the way to stop the Georgies is to NOT RESPOND ,because every time you do you play his game!
Report abusePosted by paddyRanger on Jan 29, 2012, 10:29 AM EST
Ah the racist rat georgieboydillon rears his ugly head out of the sewer ......."I oppose special sweetheart deals for those Irish who want to desert their country and settle in mine. Let them fix their own homeland, and not run like the proverbial rats from a sinking ship. As an Irish citizen I'll be writing" ..........anyone else see the stinking hypocrisy from this moron, "Settle in my homeland, he is an American, yet he thinks he can talk about Irish issues because he is an American with Irish Citizenship.......Biggest mistake (if it is even true) was giving this American creep an Irish passport, and even if he does have one, does not make him Irish at all, my cat is more Irish than this gobshite
Report abusePosted by Murph46 on Jan 29, 2012, 10:25 AM EST
I live just south of Cleveland and have no problem with such meetings,the jump from Schumer to Portman is I find extraordinary but nonetheless with the backing of such groups I feel it is fine.I hope it all works out.
Report abusePosted by GeorgeDillon on Jan 29, 2012, 08:12 AM EST
boherlihy: I don't know why you bothered to post the same note twice. Mediocrity repeated is mediocrity doubled. But it seems you are claiming the right to emigrate to the US on the basis of family reunion regulations (the other grounds you mention, that you lived here previously, have no bearing). If you fall within the family reunion stipulations why would you need special treatment? You already qualify!
Report abusePosted by boherlihy on Jan 28, 2012, 11:45 PM EST
To GeorgeDillon: your post is factually incorrect and personally insulting. If you wish for anybody (including Senator Schumer)to take your opinions seriously, then I suggest you state them with at least some degree of truth and objectivity. For example - do not, I repeat, do not paint everybody with the same brush. We Irish who want to emigrate to the United States are not running "like the proverbial rats from a sinking ship". Case in point... those of us (myself included) who have family that have legally settled in the United States and wish to join them; and/or those of us (myself included) who have lived in the United States (legally) before that wish to return.
Report abusePosted by boherlihy on Jan 28, 2012, 11:19 PM EST
To GeorgeDillon: Your comment is factually incorrect and personally insulting. If you want anybody to take your opinions seriously and objectively, then you should not paint everybody with the same brush. We Irish who want to emigrate to the United States are not running "like the proverbial rats from a sinking ship". Case in point... those of us (myself included) who have legalized family in the United States and wish to join them; or those of us (myself included) who have lived in the United States (legally) who wish to return to the United States?
Report abusePosted by GeorgeDillon on Jan 28, 2012, 03:41 PM EST
I oppose special sweetheart deals for those Irish who want to desert their country and settle in mine. Let them fix their own homeland, and not run like the proverbial rats from a sinking ship. As an Irish citizen I'll be writing to Senator Schumer to tell him to cut out this foolishness. He's only wasting his time on this nonsense.


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[pakkpk]

I was reading the past progress of HR 3012 and noticed that it took 11 days to vote on HR 3012 on House floor after receiving from Judiciary committee and that also without any major oppose. I think we are expecting too much from Senate as with Grass(***) is still wet and it may take 20-25 days to (dry up) taken up on floor to vote.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...2:HR03012:@@@X

[sweety0202]

about ead for H4.. this is what Ron has replied:
This is something that they have been considering for several years. It isn't clear if they can simply do it or if they have to go through the Federal Register notice and comment process. One practical consideration is the unemployment rate. With H4s, there are no LCA requirements or other assurances that the individual will be paid the prevailing wage. In a time of high unemployment, this could be seen as a step that would undercut the ability of U.S. workers to get jobs.

[lalaji]

Oh Law Firm Update:

01/31/2012: Irish Lobbyist Anxious to See Irish E-3 Visa Bill Coming on the Senate Floor This Week

As the showdown is inching close to the floor of the Senate, Irish community is anxious to see the fruit of their efforts soon. Read on and on and on.


Campaigners hope for progress on US visa Bill

IRISH CAMPAIGNERS for immigration reform in the US say they hope to soon see progress on a visa Bill which, if passed, would allow up to 10,000 Irish nationals annually to work in the US for two years.

This month members of the Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform (ILIR) met at the White House with representatives from President Barack Obama’s domestic policy council, the state department and the department of homeland security to discuss support for the E3 visa Bill which was introduced in the Senate by New York senator Charles Schumer last December.

The campaigners are seeking a statement of support for the Bill from the White House given that the Obama administration supported a recent Bill that would allow other ethnic groups, including Chinese, Indians and Hispanics, to obtain extra green cards.

The E3 Bill currently has the support of just over 50 senators but still lacks endorsement from Republicans.

Campaigners including the ILIR are calling on members of the Irish community to ask Republican senators for support.

“The meeting at the White House was very positive and encouraging,” said Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform president Ciaran Staunton.

“We’re hoping to see movement on this within the next week.”

Mr Staunton said he had discussed the latest developments with Taoiseach Enda Kenny at the weekend.

Under the Bill, those obtaining an E3 visa would be able to enter the US legally to work for two years on a non-immigrant visa. The two-year visa could be extended indefinitely.

The White House meeting also featured discussions on the issue of visa waivers should the Bill, or a version of it, become law.

The proposed legislation would allow for undocumented people to apply for the visas.

However, they would require a waiver in order to be exempt from a three or 10-year ban from the US which all undocumented people face when they leave the country and attempt to re-enter.

[jackbrown_890]

Oh Law Firm Update:

01/31/2012: Irish Lobbyist Anxious to See Irish E-3 Visa Bill Coming on the Senate Floor This Week

As the showdown is inching close to the floor of the Senate, Irish community is anxious to see the fruit of their efforts soon. Read on and on and on.


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the country and attempt to re-enter.

Lalaji,
It is really good news.

(this is just my opinion) The only thing concerns me right now is not enough republican support to pass the bill with E3. I have no problem with E3. I welcome any efforts from our Irish brothers and sisters and i am glad they are helping us but i hope their lobbying/advocacy will get enough republican votes to include E3. Also if E3 is added, how will we push it in the House again with E3 where Republicans have majority..(personally ).I would be happy to work with Irish (and other groups) have them join our blog and start a new thread to discuss the issues with them and help them push E3 with other immigration reforms. But right now 3012 to has bipartisan support (except grASSley) and i would like them to leave it alone.
Now from political standpoint of view and in reality - i don't see it happening (stand alone 3012). The E3 and other amendments will be added since Dems have majority in senate so they will try to get more stuff done with this bill as they have a leverage to negotiate.
Lets see what happens in senate this week or next week.

Also, we all are putting efforts in advocacy (i mean Chinese, Indians, Irish, Jewish,,,etc..) but for some reason it looks like we are not collaborating. The question is, how do we start a dialogue with each other and have more unified and strong advocacy efforts...
But i am really glad to see

[mniwas]

So what happens if the E3 bill (HR3012 + Irish) is passed in the senate?
My assumptions:
Bill passes senate.
House does not support the bill.
My guess is: The bill will have to go to joint committee. Where they will say the common factor is HR3012 has passed both houses and it should become a law. So the committee strips out the Irish provision and the HR3012 becomes the law.

Gurus.... is this realistic expectation? I am not against Irish... but just in case house does not support Irish clause... is this realistic path for HR3012.?

[jackbrown_890]

So what happens if the E3 bill (HR3012 + Irish) is passed in the senate?
My assumptions: .................................................. ........................................... is this realistic path for HR3012.?

My earlier post was kinda personal opinion...
to answer your questions:...
Bill passes senate
not for sure yet, except Brown non other republican i know has supported E3 publicly,, some of them do behind the doors but we won't find out till vote,,
House does not support the bill.
My guess is: The bill will have to go to joint committee. yes
Where they will say the common factor is HR3012 has passed both houses and it should become a law. nothing clear about that yet
So the committee strips out the Irish provision and the HR3012 becomes the law. that can happen but we are not sure since everything has been happening right now not public (except what Irish are saying)

Gurus.... is this realistic expectation? I am not against Irish... but just in case house does not support Irish clause... is this realistic path for HR3012.?
in my opinion it is not d idealistic situation for 3012. but the way Irish group are putting out the statements it looks like they r confident about 3012 + E3 in the Senate..

[immitime]

The Proof is in the pudding, When a bill is placed on the calender by invoking rule XIV, that means majority of Senators are intersted in that bill. only hindrance is GrassUncle for avoiding fillibuster we may need to wait for sometime for the cloture motion, that is abouti it. No point in mixing Irish E3 issue with H.R.3012 (again dog seeing fire hydrant that is the E3 bill) E3 amnesty for illegals are not going to go through in this Senate and political conditions, that is visible. Especially when the news is from the lawyer site who is infamous to mix his color of mind with all the news to increase his website traffic. Better we conitune to sent personal letter to our Senators and make them aware each day.