Discussion of Bills that remove the Per Country Limits - H.R.3012, H,R. 213

[mniwas]

2/10/2011: Irish E-3 Nonimmigrant Visa Bill Scheduled to be Introduced in the Senate Tuesday, 12/13/2011
http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html

Don't quite understand what Ohio Law firm is saying. Are they saying that a new bill will be introduced by these two democratic congressmen. And that in this bill beside the Irish E-3 agenda... provisions of HR3012 will also be included?

[vickywac]

Examiner reports, Senator schumer set to introduce H R 3012 with an amendment for Irish E3 visas. If this is introduced with amendment, not sure about the fate of this Bill.

http://www.examiner.com/immigration-...-to-help-irish

[lalaji]

No,Schumer going to introduce new bill for E3.

[Jonty Rhodes]

Schumer is going to introduce a new bill for Irish. This is not an amendment to HR 3012.

Personally, I find it ridiculous that Irish are asking for this bill because they fear that HR 3012, if passed by Senate, will take away GCs from them and award it to Indian, Chinese, Mexican and Filipinos. If this E3 bill passes, then any other country with reasonable amount of immigration to US may want to ask for a separate bill in future.

So basically, if I have to wait longer in a line on a first come first serve basis, I will ask the authority to form a new line for me where no one can come. What a great logic.

We know that this may not happen at least for a while, but actually, going by this logic of Irish, India and China should definitely ask for two separate immigration bills which only deal with India and China exclusively. No one else comes in their line. Indian and Chinese do not have strong lobbies on Capitol Hill and that is what we definitely need. This just shows us how strong the Irish lobby is when it comes to these kind of things.

[gcq]

IMO all these new immigration bills popping up everywhere is because of the confidence generated by the passage of HR3012. For a while nobody dared to touch immigration issue. As HR3012 was carefully crafted to gain widespread support, it sailed through house. Looking at its smooth sail, pro-immigrant groups have gained a false sense of optimism that any immigration bill will sail through in this climate. However reality is very different.

[imdeng]

I found below in the comments section of a WSJ article. Credit to Janak Raguraman (commenter). This is a well written, well reasoned argument in support of HR-3012:

Walk into a top ranked university (Stanford, MIT, Berkeley ...you name it), and try and count the number of Indian and Chinese graduate students there as a percentage of the total student body.

You'll see that over 50 % of the students graduating with advanced degrees in the country are from India and China. A overwhelming majority of these students are on scholarships.

Universities give them scholarships not because they have an agenda to increase immigration, but because they are impressed with the talent and rigor these students bring to their universities.

How useful would it be to America if students from India and China got educated on US tax payer money, and then left the country out of frustration for the immigration system? I know of multiple friends who have returned to India and China after their graduate studies. They now run companies abroad..and they are competing against the US. In essence, the American tax payer has helped another country compete against Americans.

The H1b system is not perfect. There is most probably some fraudulent cases, but this is NOT rampant. There is probably far greater fraud in the Diversity immigrant or family immigrant VISA, for which there is absolutely no education or qualification level required.

HR3012 is a much needed fix to the system because it incentivizes Indian and Chinese born students to remain in this country, live up to their real potential, and go entrepreneurial. The current system forces them to consider alternatives.

Does America want smart, enterprising folks to remain in this country or does it want to force these extremely talented individuals to go back and compete again the country that spent $200,000 educating them?

Link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...abs%3Dcomments

[nishant2200]

yes this is the most sensible reasoning I have seen so far for HR 3012.

I found below in the comments section of a WSJ article. Credit to Janak Raguraman (commenter). This is a well written, well reasoned argument in support of HR-3012:


Link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...abs%3Dcomments

[gcq]

IMO all these new immigration bills popping up everywhere is because of the confidence generated by the passage of HR3012. For a while nobody dared to touch immigration issue. As HR3012 was carefully crafted to gain widespread support, it sailed through house. Looking at its smooth sail, pro-immigrant groups have gained a false sense of optimism that any immigration bill will sail through in this climate. However reality is very different.

A news link validating this theory.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...12/v_visa.html

The bipartisan and overwhelming support with which the Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act passed last week may signal an opportunity to move the dialogue away from state vigilante enforcement and federal inaction and toward bipartisan agreement and concrete solutions. As Congress revisits the per-country limitations with H.R. 3012, now is an opportune time to also reauthorize this important family reunification tool without a sunset provision.

[kd2008]

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/art...al-immigration

Please send letters to Sen. Grassley Quoting this article and urging him to remove his hold on HR 3012

Forty-one percent of those surveyed favored increased opportunities for legal immigrants to enter the U.S. workforce, and another 29 percent could live with it. Fully 73 percent of respondents were open to allowing foreign-born students to go to work in the U.S. after graduation.

An even larger majority —79 percent — favored or could live with streamlining the processes for businesses to hire immigrants for seasonal and full-time jobs that Americans aren’t taking.

[jackbrown_890]

“I welcome the Coalition of Irish Immigration Centers’ video conference call on Tuesday,” Lawless said. “The fact that the bill is being held up in the Senate by the ranking Republican of the Senate Judiciary Senator Grassley gives us Irish an opportunity to collectively rally our legislative contacts to strongly advocate the Senate to amend HR 3012 by adding legislation to apply the E-3 Visa to Irish Nationals.”

As Lawless said in his statement "strongly advocate the Senate to amend HR 3012.....etc.

If there is an amendment to 3012...that means there will be some action on 3012

and there is a possibility of new separate bill too but
reported by RTE news "Charles Grassley from Iowa, who has just confirmed to RTÉ News that he will oppose the legislation."

[immitime]

“I welcome the Coalition of Irish Immigration Centers’ video conference call on Tuesday,” Lawless said. “The fact that the bill is being held up in the Senate by the ranking Republican of the Senate Judiciary Senator Grassley gives us Irish an opportunity to collectively rally our legislative contacts to strongly advocate the Senate to amend HR 3012 by adding legislation to apply the E-3 Visa to Irish Nationals.”

As Lawless said in his statement "strongly advocate the Senate to amend HR 3012.....etc.

If there is an amendment to 3012...that means there will be some action on 3012

and there is a possibility of new separate bill too but
reported by RTE news "Charles Grassley from Iowa, who has just confirmed to RTÉ News that he will oppose the legislation."

This is really strange that H.R.3012 is to eliminate country cap at the same time they need to amend it with E-3 Irish Quota.(along with pardon for undocumented). This is going to be a Joke if this is discussed in Senate, I am sure that E-3 Irish will be voted down, No sane person will support this bill with amendment for Irish(special quota), like in Congress they tried to amend it with Zoe Lofgren's Visa recapture and Rep Steve Kings agenda.. of eliminating EB3

[jackbrown_890]

Schumer’s bill would introduce the same House bill that passed two weeks ago in the senate with the E3 visas added. : it seems like they are talking about 3012

In the senate Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa has stated that he will oppose the original bill and not allow it expedited passage but there is mounting pressure on the Iowa Republican to let it pass. If this is true that means, there is some hope for 3012

Schumer stated that if the bill did not pass he would work on a different bill for next years’ legislative session that would help the Irish. not good for us..this means a delay for the passage of 3012 (or dead)



Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Sen...#ixzz1gRZ16Jbk

[jackbrown_890]

This is really strange that H.R.3012 is to eliminate country cap at the same time they need to amend it with E-3 Irish Quota.(along with pardon for undocumented). This is going to be a Joke if this is discussed in Senate, I am sure that E-3 Irish will be voted down, No sane person will support this bill with amendment for Irish(special quota), like in Congress they tried to amend it with Zoe Lofgren's Visa recapture and Rep Steve Kings agenda.. of eliminating EB3

apparently they are talking about separate E-3 visas for Irish, and surprisingly they do have e-3 visas with less stringent requirements thn h1 for Australians (10,000) this is not Eb-3 green cards...
this is e-3 work visa for Irish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-3_visa

[jackbrown_890]

it seems like Irish sites are saying it will be introduced later today, so If anyone is watching C-span senate,,or if hear anything about this in d senate, please post it here ASAP..
thank you

[immitime]

apparently they are talking about separate E-3 visas for Irish, and surprisingly they do have e-3 visas with less stringent requirements thn h1 for Australians (10,000) this is not Eb-3 green cards...
this is e-3 work visa for Irish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-3_visa

Thanks Jackbrown for clarification, so E-3 Visa, still I will be surprised if Grassley agrees for 10000 more visas, We need to wait for the real scene soon. If not January :-)

[jackbrown_890]

Thanks Jackbrown for clarification, so E-3 Visa, still I will be surprised if Grassley agrees for 10000 more visas, We need to wait for the real scene soon. If not January :-)

YW. and yes Grassley is going to oppose it for sure as reported by RTE news "Charles Grassley from Iowa, who has just confirmed to RTÉ News that he will oppose the legislation."
but i am curious now because if this e-3 is an amendment to 3012, that means someone will have to file a cloture and bring it to the vote, or i am not sure if it is possible to bring S1857 for vote with this amendment. S.1857 hasn't cleared judiciary committee yet.

[kuku82]

FYI, S.1866 AGREE act (HR3012/S1857 is a "subset" of this bill) has one more cosponsor (Sen Brown, Scott P. [MA] - 12/12/2011). It has 10 cosponsors now.

[gcq]

An interesting video on Grassley. One of the main reason he is in Senate, in Senate there is no limit on "debate". In house he had to beg for debate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBnD8...e_gdata_player

[Jonty Rhodes]

Pardon my language but how can this Jackass be called an Immigration Expert? The surprising part is that this idiot works at UC Davis.

Here is a link where our so called intelligent moron has tried to decode the Grassley hold on HR 3012.

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/Archive/HR3012.txt

Here are 2 more idiotic articles.

http://blogs.sciencemag.org/sciencec...ernal-bra.html

http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org...redit.a1000069

Here is his H1B visa page link.

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/h1b.html

This is just a gross misrepresentation of facts. I have many friends in IT industry in Microsoft, Google, Apple, Adobe, HP, Samsung, Sony, Intel etc. who are on H1B and get a 6 figure salary. Also, foreign born physicians are on H1B too and get paid as much as their American counterparts.

I don't loose my cool generally but I was severely pissed off after reading these articles. This man does not know a damn thing about the immigrants who are waiting for their green cards and their qualifications and he is delivering lectures to others. Wow!!!!

[gcq]

Norman Matloff is a known anti-immigrant. All anti-immigrant racist organizations use him as an argument against all kind of immigration. Don't worry about him. He has been around for a while.

[lalaji]

Sen Chuck Schumer of New York, co-sponsored Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois and Sen. Leahy of Vermont, introduced yesterday S.1983 to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and for other reform. Obviously other reform includes relief of Irish which we discussed during last few days. It thus appears that this bill could be a bill to compromised H.R. 3012 and Irish relief. Full text has yet to be made available. Stay tuned.

source: http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html

[kd2008]

End of HR 3012 as we speak! I don't see it passing at all. Sorry to be so pessimistic!

[Pedro Gonzales]

End of HR 3012 as we speak! I don't see it passing at all. Sorry to be so pessimistic!

I disagree. I see this bill as being a largely symbolic act to appease their Irish American constituents. This bill has no chance to pass, but that doesn't mean that Schumer no longer supports HR3012/S1857. If anything, I take this to mean two more influential politicians (Leahy heads the senate judiciary committee, and Durbin's 2nd most senior Democrat in the senate) support removal of country caps.

Good news all around. HR3012 is still alive.

[Kanmani]

Yesterday I sat for 8 hours to find what is behind Schmuer's bill. I didnt see him addressing , not even his face shown in the tv for the entire day. Then where the hell did he introduce the bill?

Yesterday's debate was revolving around Balanced Budget amendment and nothing else. ( Grassley gave me his attendence :-))

[mesan123]

today from oh law firm news

Sen Chuck Schumer of New York, co-sponsored Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois and Sen. Leahy of Vermont, introduced yesterday S.1983 to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and for other reform. Obviously other reform includes relief of Irish which we discussed during last few days. It thus appears that this bill could be a bill to compromise H.R. 3012 and Irish relief. Read on. It thus appears that rather than introducing Irish relief bill, he added Irish E-3 visa and illegal Irish relief provision to H.R. 3012 which the House passes. Full text has yet to be made available. Stay tuned.