Senate CIR Bill Summary & Discussion

[gs1968]

To Viz

The deliberations on the amendments start on the 9th and will likely take about 3-4 weeks to complete.You can follow the amendments filed at this link

http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/legi...amendments.cfm

Although the list seems very limited-one should expect dozens of amendments to be filed by the 5PM deadline today. Again the Senators have to carefully weigh the chances of amendments in the Committee versus the entire Senate Floor as the Senate Judiciary Committee is dominated by Democrats and they may think there is a better chance in the entire chamber.Numerous frivolous amendments will also be filed in an attempt to slow down the process.Each amendment will be considered separately and discussed before a vote is taken on every one of them.The final package is decided after all the amendments are done and a simple majority is all that is necessary to report to the Senate Floor.

As we have said before,the Senate is the easier chamber and the following article features that-

http://washingtonexaminer.com/byron-...rticle/2528981

[vizcard]

To Viz

The deliberations on the amendments start on the 9th and will likely take about 3-4 weeks to complete.You can follow the amendments filed at this link

http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/legi...amendments.cfm

Although the list seems very limited-one should expect dozens of amendments to be filed by the 5PM deadline today. Again the Senators have to carefully weigh the chances of amendments in the Committee versus the entire Senate Floor as the Senate Judiciary Committee is dominated by Democrats and they may think there is a better chance in the entire chamber.Numerous frivolous amendments will also be filed in an attempt to slow down the process.Each amendment will be considered separately and discussed before a vote is taken on every one of them.The final package is decided after all the amendments are done and a simple majority is all that is necessary to report to the Senate Floor.

As we have said before,the Senate is the easier chamber and the following article features that-

http://washingtonexaminer.com/byron-...rticle/2528981

Thanks! This was very helpful. The process is mind numbingly slow but it seems to be thorough. I'd rather it take time and be good enough to pass (in both chambers) rather than the alternative.

[gs1968]

To viz
If you are having a slow day at work this might make interesting reading for you.It describes in detail the amendment process in Committee and afterwards

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/98-853.pdf

Also this was in my twitter feed

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/us...=politics&_r=0

[vizcard]

To viz
If you are having a slow day at work this might make interesting reading for you.It describes in detail the amendment process in Committee and afterwards

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/98-853.pdf

Also this was in my twitter feed

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/us...=politics&_r=0

Never a slow day at work but I do keep an IE window permanently open for this forum. Those links will probably be bedtime reading for me.

[justvisiting]

What happens on May 9th ?

Is it the committee mark up or the actual vote? If its the former, when is the actual vote?

I want to see the CBO cost figures that is generally calculated after committee passage.

The markup starts on the 9th. They will start the proces sof dicussing and voting amendments. The final committee vote wil take place whenever they get through all the amendments.

[gs1968]

C&P a tweet I just got

"Sen. Orrin Hatch is filing 24(!) amendments to the gang of 8 immigration bill. Taking DNA for legal provisional status applicants is one..."

[vizcard]

http://www.hsgac.senate.gov/hearings...tion-act-s-744

There was a Homeland Security Senate COmmittee hearing today. I'm not sure if anyone has any more detail on how this went and what the outcomes were.

[vizcard]

C&P a tweet I just got

"Sen. Orrin Hatch is filing 24(!) amendments to the gang of 8 immigration bill. Taking DNA for legal provisional status applicants is one..."

None of the "troublemakers" have proposed amendments - Grassley, Sessions or Cruz. Does that mean they are going to drop bombs during the meetings? or does it mean that they are just going to vote "no" no matter what comes out.

[gs1968]

To vizcard
They will surely file amendments-please wait for the official update on that website.A few more updated tweets

"Amendment #s so far for G o 8: Lee ~ 30, Hatch - 24, Hirono - 4, Leahy - 1. Betting the total will double in the next 50 minutes.
"Sessions- Would cap # of foreign workers granted admission to the country, & immigrants granted legal status, at approximately 30 million over a decade"
"Leahy officially filed the same-sex couple amendment to the immigration bill. (He said he would, but still, get ready for some drama)
"Another Leahy amendment would let immigrants who register as provisional immigrants to pay fines in installments rather than all upfront.

[gc_soon]

None of the "troublemakers" have proposed amendments - Grassley, Sessions or Cruz. Does that mean they are going to drop bombs during the meetings? or does it mean that they are just going to vote "no" no matter what comes out.

77 amendments by Grassley just added

[vizcard]

It's a mechanism to slow things down and get more controversy. Sessions has some pretty far out amendments. Grassleys seem more reasonable.

[justvisiting]

This is by far the most fascinating amendement, by a supposed "anti", Sen. Cruz, who is actually proposing 1,012,500 visas for EB, which shows he is anti-illegal immigration, but not anti-immigration:

http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/legi...(MDM13526).pdf

[vizcard]

This is by far the most fascinating amendement, by a supposed "anti", Sen. Cruz, who is actually proposing 1,012,500 visas for EB, which shows he is anti-illegal immigration, but not anti-immigration:

http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/legi...(MDM13526).pdf

Republicans in general are pro-legal immigration and more specifically skilled immigration but are sooo insanely anti-illegal immigration that they come across as anti-immigration.

PS: there's also no chance that makes it in. He's reducing FB numbers too.

[gs1968]

I found this article interesting. The punitive mindset is appalling
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration...ill/?mobile=nc

This is even more interesting!

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013...umb-amendments

I know we focus here more on the high skilled employment component but I personallythink the family re-unification visas are probably going to be retained as well in the end.The Asian-American lobby is starting to get very active and the number of visas is not large enough to cause heartache.The press releases from the Asian organizations is very positive

[justvisiting]

Republicans in general are pro-legal immigration and more specifically skilled immigration but are sooo insanely anti-illegal immigration that they come across as anti-immigration.

PS: there's also no chance that makes it in. He's reducing FB numbers too.

Agreed it has no chance. Just wanted to clarify, he's actually increasing numbers for FB, from 226K to 335K... and reclasifying spuses/children of LPRs as IRs, which frees up a bunch. Also this is the only amendment I could find that would let LPRs sponsor thier parents.

[gs1968]

To viz & justvisiting
It is also worth noting that only a fraction of these amendments will actually receive discussion and votes.There is usually a stage of amendment fatigue that sets in after a few mark-up sessions
As for Ted Cruz-he will not allow any naturalization of undocumented aliens

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...om-citizenship

[gs1968]

This was tweeted to me

"Rep. Gutierrez, member of House Gang of 8, says if they don't roll out a bill by the end of May there's probably nothing being rolled out"

So the Senate Bill may be all there is to fight over-Hopefully they can balance it well to please enough people if not everybody to get it across the finish line

Remember these vote counts for Simpson-Mazzoli Bill in 1986

Senate Bill 69-30
House Bill -230-166

Conference report

Senate 63-24
House 238-173

Another interesting article

http://www.policymic.com/articles/40...ration-success

I found a link to Rep.Gutierrez's above statement

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/29...#ixzz2SjN2prkZ

[gs1968]

I think the markup is going to start with Trigger provisions and then proceed title by title.Markups will be every Tuesday and Thursday till work is finished and a final Bill reported

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...l#.UYqMO66DUEc

[vizcard]

I think the markup is going to start with Trigger provisions and then proceed title by title.Markups will be every Tuesday and Thursday till work is finished and a final Bill reported

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...l#.UYqMO66DUEc

Is there a process where additional amendments can be filed ? I know there are whatever now and some subset will actually be raised in the committee meetings. Is that the extent of it - atleast as far the Senate process goes?

[gs1968]

To vizcard
The deadline for filing amendments for the Committee stage of the Bill is over.If no major changes are made to the Bill then it will be reported with whatever amendments are included.If substantial changes are made-then the text is replaced with one amendment and the amendment is reported in the nature of a substitute. In the case of this Bill no sequential referral was made to other committees and so once it completes the process in the Judiciary committee-it will be reported to the Senate Floor. There has to be unanimous consent for sequential referral to other committees and any one senator can object and there is a potential for the Bill to be slowed down and I think this may be the reason for not referring to other committees

Once on the Senate Floor other senators can file amendments regardless of relevance but once cloture is filed only germane amendments are allowed. Theoretically at this stage endless amendments are possible but the floor managers including the Senate Majority/Minority leaders agree on a certain number of amendments per side usually equal
In other words a long way to go!!

[kuku82]

Some of the stringent amendments from GOP in plain english

http://thinkprogress.org/immigration...igration-bill/

[CleanSock]

Out of those listed in the article, the ones by Chuck Grassley are the most outrageous!

Some of the stringent amendments from GOP in plain english

http://thinkprogress.org/immigration...igration-bill/

[gs1968]

Going by opening statements it looks like it will clear committee by 13-5 at the very least(Hatch sounds like he is on board too). Cornyn's position is unclear but 14-4 would be fantastic!

[desiman]

Ruchi Sanghvi, Dropbox VP, testifies on immigration reform

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10100789294634021

[vizcard]

Out of those listed in the article, the ones by Chuck Grassley are the most outrageous!

I don't know about that. Sessions and Cruz really have some that are ridiculous.

Edit: I was referring to the complete set of amendments - not just the ones in the article.