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  1. #1926
    NDAA markup tomm.. Will ENLIST act get added here or as floor amendment?

    http://immigrationreform.com/2014/05...esty-tomorrow/

  2. #1927
    Looks like anti-immigration stance proved to be unpopular for many Republicans running for primaries.

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/immig...WhatsNewsForth

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    Quote Originally Posted by CleanSock View Post
    Looks like anti-immigration stance proved to be unpopular for many Republicans running for primaries.

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/immig...WhatsNewsForth
    Cantor is losing.. wow.. CIR or any immigration reform is finished now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotic View Post
    Cantor is losing.. wow.. CIR or any immigration reform is finished now..
    Cantor was not pro-immigration

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizcard View Post
    Cantor was not pro-immigration
    Cantor was for the house Republicans immigration principles which is the best one could expect from republican party. Also Google KIDS act and cosponsor of enlist act..

    Primary was centered around amnesty.. Cantor spent 5Million.. opponent spent less than 200k.. big defeat for establishment and defining one for the future.. "about to be speaker" losing his seat to people power against money power..

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    I do't think it is that black and white. I mean cantor losing cannot signal any doom for immigration. We will have to wait and see....

    Quote Originally Posted by idiotic View Post
    Cantor was for the house Republicans immigration principles which is the best one could expect from republican party. Also Google KIDS act and cosponsor of enlist act..

    Primary was centered around amnesty.. Cantor spent 5Million.. opponent spent less than 200k.. big defeat for establishment and defining one for the future.. "about to be speaker" losing his seat to people power against money power..
    Category: EB2-I PD: 11/29/2010 I-485 RD: 10/28/2020 ND: 12/05/2020 EAD/AP RD: 12/24/2020 FP: 03/30/2021

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotic View Post
    Cantor was for the house Republicans immigration principles which is the best one could expect from republican party. Also Google KIDS act and cosponsor of enlist act..

    Primary was centered around amnesty.. Cantor spent 5Million.. opponent spent less than 200k.. big defeat for establishment and defining one for the future.. "about to be speaker" losing his seat to people power against money power..
    Not sure about the "about to be speaker" comment. Boehner is not going anywhere. But definitely a major development given the recent wins for the establishment over the Tea Party nuts.

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    To me, it is the final nail in the coffin for CIR for rest of 2014. Its up to Obama now. He might as well not wait until August for his executive actions..

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotic View Post
    Cantor was for the house Republicans immigration principles which is the best one could expect from republican party. Also Google KIDS act and cosponsor of enlist act..

    Primary was centered around amnesty.. Cantor spent 5Million.. opponent spent less than 200k.. big defeat for establishment and defining one for the future.. "about to be speaker" losing his seat to people power against money power..
    I wonder who the Democrat nominee is and whether the Dems can steal this one away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizcard View Post
    I wonder who the Democrat nominee is and whether the Dems can steal this one away.

    Total number of voters seems to be in order of 268K with 40%-55% dem-rep split. Cantor's primary loss was 35k to 28k margin.. Surely this is good news for democrats..

    http://ballotpedia.org/Virginia's_7t...lections,_2012



    Describing the district as one that merely "leans Republican" and isn't overwhelmingly conservative, the official also suggested Brat might simply lose to Trammell outright.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/democ...#ixzz34LFOpxPt

  11. #1936
    There is nothing for democrats to cheer for in Cantor's loss. Cantor lost at least partly because his opponent attacked Cantor for his "partial" support to CIR.

    So now even moderate republicans are going to think twice before they support CIR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotic View Post
    Total number of voters seems to be in order of 268K with 40%-55% dem-rep split. Cantor's primary loss was 35k to 28k margin.. Surely this is good news for democrats..

    http://ballotpedia.org/Virginia's_7t...lections,_2012



    Describing the district as one that merely "leans Republican" and isn't overwhelmingly conservative, the official also suggested Brat might simply lose to Trammell outright.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/democ...#ixzz34LFOpxPt
    democrats have little to zero chance of winning this district...they district might be merely leans republican but still have voted for republicans majority of times..and plus a conservative won the primary with tea-party support and someone who beat 2nd ranking republican in the house,,so he now carries a big momentum. The only way Democrat can win this is if they can convince cantor supporters to vote democrat..i think cantor supporters would rather vote for tea-party thn dems.
    still nothing to rejoice for dems yet..still doesn't look like they will have majority in the house after this election..actually they are fighting to keep the senate majority after this election....Republicans do have better chance of getting senate majority...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbrown_890 View Post
    democrats have little to zero chance of winning this district...they district might be merely leans republican but still have voted for republicans majority of times..and plus a conservative won the primary with tea-party support and someone who beat 2nd ranking republican in the house,,so he now carries a big momentum. The only way Democrat can win this is if they can convince cantor supporters to vote democrat..i think cantor supporters would rather vote for tea-party thn dems.
    Please take into consideration that this was open parimary and look at the number of voters in general election vs number of voters who turned up in primary. Also consider that dems would have also voted in the primary which Brat just won. If you still feel dems have little to zero chance in this district then we have to agree to disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackbrown_890 View Post
    still doesn't look like they will have majority in the house after this election..actually they are fighting to keep the senate majority after this election....Republicans do have better chance of getting senate majority...
    Agreed..

  14. #1939
    As many of us predicted, after Eric Cantor's loss to his Tea Party Rival, prospects of CIR were pretty much dead. This news just confirms that. Obama is going to speak today about it and hopefully, we would see some Executive Actions from Obama that would help legal immigrants this year and not only undocumented immigrants. If Obama can just pass an Executive Action to use the wasted green cards in last 10 years or remove dependents from being counted, that would be enough to make dates advance pretty rapidly. I doubt though Obama would do anything for legal immigrants. Republicans are a lost cause anyways.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0F526420140630

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonty Rhodes View Post
    As many of us predicted, after Eric Cantor's loss to his Tea Party Rival, prospects of CIR were pretty much dead. This news just confirms that. Obama is going to speak today about it and hopefully, we would see some Executive Actions from Obama that would help legal immigrants this year and not only undocumented immigrants. If Obama can just pass an Executive Action to use the wasted green cards in last 10 years or remove dependents from being counted, that would be enough to make dates advance pretty rapidly. I doubt though Obama would do anything for legal immigrants. Republicans are a lost cause anyways.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0F526420140630
    I am going to bet my house that his 'Executive Action" will be only for illegal immigrants. He is least interested in high skilled immigration other than going to Facebook and LinkedIn and paying lip service to their employees majority of whom are foreign-born. Obama is a seasoned politician and knows how to get his votes. End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonty Rhodes View Post
    As many of us predicted, after Eric Cantor's loss to his Tea Party Rival, prospects of CIR were pretty much dead. This news just confirms that. Obama is going to speak today about it and hopefully, we would see some Executive Actions from Obama that would help legal immigrants this year and not only undocumented immigrants. If Obama can just pass an Executive Action to use the wasted green cards in last 10 years or remove dependents from being counted, that would be enough to make dates advance pretty rapidly. I doubt though Obama would do anything for legal immigrants. Republicans are a lost cause anyways.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0F526420140630
    I was under the impression that recapturing unused visas (H1B and EB) cannot be done by executive branch alone. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    There is not much executive branch can do to bring relief to EB (except allowing them to file 485) is my impression.. Am I missing anything?

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    The problem with EA is that while there may be the will (and I am sure there is) there may not be a way to help legal immigration. That's why you don't see measures in the proposals leaked to date.

    EA cannot change or go against an existing law and legal immigration is pretty tightly locked down by the law.

    IMO (and I know some people disagree), that includes the ability to exclude dependents from the numerical limits and to reclaim visas. Both were part of the Senate CIR Bill and previous proposed Bills, so Congress believes the power lies with them and that it requires the law to be rewritten to accomplish it.

    As far a reclaiming "wasted" visa numbers, between the 180k already "recaptured" and those already received back from FB, the difference is only about 20k from FY1992 through FY2014. The law already has a mechanism to deal with "wasted" visas (be they EB or FB) and EB has profited handsomely over the years from that law. That's not to say they won't be "double recaptured", but I think that is outside the scope of EA. The "antis" are equally well aware of the situation regarding visa recapture.

    iatiam will win the bet, but not for the reasons stated IMO.
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    Stumbled upon this thread and take a look at the below portion in the link... Are they talking about not counting dependents of E3 Visa holders in the numerical limit for GC?

    https://www.federalregister.gov/arti...b-1-immigrants

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    Principal E-3 aliens are subject to an annual numerical limitation of 10,500 initial E-3 visas per fiscal year (FY). See INA section 214(g)(11), 8 U.S.C. 1184(g)(11). To determine numerical limitation compliance, USCIS counts initial E-3 visa applications submitted abroad, initial petitions for a change of status to E-3, and E-3 applications for an extension of stay requesting a change of employers against the numerical limitation. See INA section 214(g)(11)(A), 8 U.S.C. 1184(g)(11)(A); AFM Chapter 34.6(a)(3) Note 3. USCIS does not count the dependent spouse and children of E-3 principal aliens against the numerical limitation. See INA section 214(g)(11)(C), 8 U.S.C. 1184(g)(11)(C); 22 CFR 41.51(c)(2).

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotic View Post
    I was under the impression that recapturing unused visas (H1B and EB) cannot be done by executive branch alone. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    There is not much executive branch can do to bring relief to EB (except allowing them to file 485) is my impression.. Am I missing anything?
    idiotic,

    You were answering at the same time as I was.

    The law states that a visa must be immediately available in order to file an I-485, so that change is also outside the scope of EA. The regulations define that as when the VB Cut Off Date shows the PD is current for the PD. I can't imagine any change to the regulations that could redefine "a visa as being immediately available" based solely on an approved I-140.

    Possibly something might be possible for Advance Parole based on "humanitarian grounds", but that could be quite problematic regarding maintaining status.

    I'm not optimistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    idiotic,

    You were answering at the same time as I was.

    The law states that a visa must be immediately available in order to file an I-485, so that change is also outside the scope of EA. The regulations define that as when the VB Cut Off Date shows the PD is current for the PD. I can't imagine any change to the regulations that could redefine "a visa as being immediately available" based solely on an approved I-140.

    Possibly something might be possible for Advance Parole based on "humanitarian grounds", but that could be quite problematic regarding maintaining status.

    I'm not optimistic.
    Yes.. I was essentially saying the same thing as you said.. That's all they might have power to do.. So, no point of Obama bashing for doing nothing to legal immigrants..

    I think / hope they can repeat Aug 2007 scenario (last time when CIR failed in Bush's Sixth year).. This is completely under executive branch power.. Law was not different in Aug 2007.. Correct me if I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectator View Post
    idiotic,

    You were answering at the same time as I was.

    The law states that a visa must be immediately available in order to file an I-485, so that change is also outside the scope of EA. The regulations define that as when the VB Cut Off Date shows the PD is current for the PD. I can't imagine any change to the regulations that could redefine "a visa as being immediately available".

    Possibly something might be possible for Advance Parole based on "humanitarian grounds", but that could be quite problematic regarding maintaining status.

    I'm not optimistic.
    Spec, I read your post. You have much better knowledge than many of us about what is locked down tightly with law. I understand from your post that Obama can't do much for legal immigrants in a way of EA as things have been very clearly laid down in law and only Congress can change that. So I understand that may be Obama's hands are tied when it comes to helping legal immigrants.

    But is there anything that Obama can do to bring some relief to legal immigrants with EA which does not need approval of Congress? There must be some thing which can be done. What do you think? Just asking for curiosity.

  22. #1947
    Quote Originally Posted by idiotic View Post
    Yes.. I was essentially saying the same thing as you said.. That's all they might have power to do.. So, no point of Obama bashing for doing nothing to legal immigrants..

    I think / hope they can repeat Aug 2007 scenario (last time when CIR failed in Bush's Sixth year).. This is completely under executive branch power.. Law was not different in Aug 2007.. Correct me if I am wrong.
    I agree idiotic. I am not trying to bash Obama. I don't have much knowledge of the law so I didn't know that there is nothing much Obama can do by EA to help legal immigrants. I am just little frustrated with the status quo. Also, little bit of frustration comes from the fact that I have seen many in last 1 year getting a GC through EB1C in few months after arriving from India. Nothing against those people personally but just a frustration against this system.

  23. #1948
    My undestanding is that when it comes to power the president pretty much can do anything he/she wants to. Pretty much anything. But of course there are consequences of every action. So in real life a president will only go so far as what it would mean for him, his constituency and his legacy. And to be honest that is a fair game in politics. That's how politics should be.

    So can Obama abolish a law. No but he can circumvent it. The whole concept of differed action on "Dreamers" goes to show that a president can go quite far to circumvent a written law. Now in that case the president knew that even his fiercest critics are not going to impeach him because that's not going to work.

    So when it comes to EB - recapturing prior wasted visas or providing EADs to spouses or providing conditional GCs (until visa numbers are available) ---- there could be a plethora of options available to him that he can consider and exercise.

    But everything boils down to - where is the pressure? In case of EB - there is NO pressure group strong enough to make him do it. Forget Obama -- think about it - businesses have an incentive to have a very intelligent H1 guy as a slave to that business. Why would they do a "Kulhadi pe peir" !!!

    Long story short - IMHO EA can be as limitless as the president wants it to be. But the for a president to exercise EA - there needs to be a constituency that wants the president to do that. For illegal - there is a constituency. For EB .... not much.
    Quote Originally Posted by idiotic View Post
    I was under the impression that recapturing unused visas (H1B and EB) cannot be done by executive branch alone. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    There is not much executive branch can do to bring relief to EB (except allowing them to file 485) is my impression.. Am I missing anything?
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    http://www.speaker.gov/press-release...nt?Source=GovD

    Boehner's statement.. Looks fishy to me..

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotic View Post
    http://www.speaker.gov/press-release...nt?Source=GovD

    Boehner's statement.. Looks fishy to me..

    " In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way. "
    - Roosevelt..
    As usual, politics played by both sides. Obama blaming Republicans and Boehner blaming Obama. Nothing is going to come out of this quagmire. It is a hopeless situation. I just wish if nothing happens, at least USCIS clamps down on rampant misuse of EB1C. I live in a town where there are lots of Indian engineers/software experts who came to US to work for a known MNC on H1B. Many of them are actually asking the company to send them to India for 1 year and then try to come back on L1A to get GC on EB1C. I personally know at least 5 people who have done that. Sadly, this model is actually becoming very popular among these people and there seems to be no stopping.
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