I am not sure there is any incentive for Republicans, as there is no guarentee that the new citizens are going to vote for them, forget about all of them, even if 10% consider voting for Republican party from that block that will be a surprise.Originally Posted by axecapone
From Horses mouth.. for your reading pleasure.
http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/...eID_1502=41746
my point of view is the real people who do not want to do anything on Real immigration (Legal govt approved!!) is the present administration and their party.
I was digging up Wikipedia when I discovered that American Indians (Citizens only) represent 1% of US population while American Chinese and American Filipino represent 1.2% and 1.1% respectively. So why is it that Latino's had a major impact in this elections while Indians or Chinese Americans did not? I am talking about citizens only because they are the only people who can vote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_American
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_American
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_American
Cloture or Closure soon
http://washingtonexaminer.com/senate...rticle/2532233
Then the bill moves on to the House, where it faces a troubled future. “In the end, it’s all moot,” says the Senate source. “While I expect it will pass here [the Senate], that will be the end of it. I don’t think the House will even take it up, much less pass it.”
Hoeven says on Fox News that one issue holding up the amendment is that Dems want federal benefits for people on RPI status.
Last edited by gs1968; 06-21-2013 at 11:07 AM.
If you read the letter he is clearly adding poison pills to HR3012 .. H1B reform.. Do you think it will pass with his amendment with unanimous consent?
If you have read his original amendment he offered to HR3012, he struck down the entire bill and added his H1B reform bill just retaining the title.
The only way HR3012 would have passed politically is without any amendments by unanimous consent.
Holds and poison pills are different ways of killing the bill..
Last edited by idiotic; 06-21-2013 at 12:47 PM.
Looks like all the pending amendments will not even be taken up. I do not understand the urgency if house is not going to pick it up.
The urgency is to have a stronger negotiating position when the two bills (one from Senate & one from House) go to committee for agreeing on a single bill that maps to both positions. If the Senate bill is already water'ed down (from Democrat's point of view) then they loose the negotiation points in the committee.
Also remember that the Examiner is a conservative rag so it's not surprising that they are downplaying the bill...
Same applicable to this comB apprehensive bill. just waste of time.
Democrats want to blame republicans before the election. Very tuff to get this bill go through congress.
It's not only democrats.. It is group of 8 including moderate republicans who worked on this bill and atleast they worked months by getting all parties involved and coming to an agreement. I won't discredit other's efforts and intentions without substantial evidence.
Real opposition to comp immigration reform or any immigration reform is from "Extreme Right wing" Conservative groups. S.744 is a just a demonstration of how difficult it is to defeat this "Right wing" even if you get all the possible lobbying behind one bill. That is democrats position and I do not see a problem with it as their intention is to get reform done(both illegal and legal).
My opinion is if Boehner takes up the S.744 from Senate as it and puts this on floor for a vote it will pass the house with moderate republicans and democrats voting strength. Extreme right wing republicans are the real problem and they have already said Boehner will lose his job if he does that !!
Last edited by idiotic; 06-21-2013 at 01:15 PM.
Because Latinos are 17% of US population and growing! Compare that to 1% Indians or Chinese.
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If they split Legal and Illegal Immigration into separate bills, the legal part will pass in 15 days ( in both senate and congress) in the current environment. My personal opinion is that the Obama Administration is strongly against it and hence they will force Harry Reid to ensure the legal only immigration bill doesnt come up for voting in senate. As a legal Immigrant, I do not have any thing to blame republicans for.
There will be a vote at 5:30pm on Monday on the Leahy amendment, which includes Corker-Hoeven. The vote will be on this sub bill.
Reid says they'll try to continue to allow people to offer amendments, but they probably won't pass.
Cloture on the entire bill will be Thursday
Good news. Get over it in senate and all eyes will be on House.
Hugely mistaken .. Amendments and holds will be thrown from everywhere and you need strong leadership to overcome all of that. Republicans have no incenetive to do it as exploiting both legal and illegal immigrants(current system) is favorable to them.
An example, to beat CIR now Republicans are circulating an argument that E-Verify(their favorite child) is a privacy concern as it creates national database of citizens which government has hold on.
For the same reason that the Farm Bill does not separate the Food stamps from the Farmer subsidies. One cannot pass without the other. Both parties are equally to blame. The Democrats like the welfare component while the Republicans like the payouts to Midwest farmers. One thing to admire about the Tea Party conservatives is that they are ruthless ideologues who vote on their convictions and do not care about party image/fallout etc. A recent report said that due to redistricting the House GOP majority is probably safe until 2020. This is in stark contrast to the Senate Go8 for whom the same border security provisions were a complete waste of time and resources last week and suddenly now they are the solution to everything that is wrong with this country. The term flip-flop comes to mind. Anyway the farm Bill fiasco has probably put off any house action till mid-July at the very least (after the conference on July 9). 2 Bills have been marked up by the HJC vastly different from the Senate and there was hope they would come to vote on Jun 28 but I think the well is poisoned now and the atmosphere too volatile to take chances. The Tea Party is smelling blood after the recent IRS scandals and has regained a lot of energy. There are 16 legislative days in July before the summer recess and I really feel they are going to slow walk immigration till after the recess is over.This allows the Congressmen to hear from the constituents and get a better feel for the sentiment before any further action. If they did not feel pressured by the importance of the Farm Bill which directly affects their constituents I doubt that they are in any rush to pass immigration.
Boehner is not going to bring the Senate bill to the floor since it probably doesnt have majority of House republicans supporting it. House Representatives are only looking our for their own jobs. Steve King an the other nut jobs are from backward, white super majority constituencies. i have to say the Tea Party is the worst thing that's happened to American politics.
immigration reform failed even under the Bush administration because republicans killed the bill in the senate..inspite of having the backing of a republican president and had democrats controlling both houses of congress. just research the voting records on that bill.
My question is why Democrats want to give US Citizenship to Illegals. Even extreme right wingers are ok with giving them conditional green cards as per the reports. But democrats want to do that for votes. Whe gang of 8 have some compromise... lot of extreme left wing democracts which is not at all agreeing to that.. so bipartisan bill should be really bipartisan otherwise nothing is going to happen. I mean compromise from each party is required. There should be no speciality for ruling party. Only thing we need to look at is the undisputed administration is having the political will to have an executive order if the bill fails.
immitime - I am afraid this question is on the right of the extreme right wingers.
The answer is because they are human beings ... have ties here in US .. may be spent most of their life here. So what makes one eligible for citizenship? Some stupid circumstance that you were born in the right womb at the right time and place and were lucky that your family were able to do grow you up where you could legally immigrate?
In your book it seems the people who are not so fortunate have no place in this society. That's a very unfortunate elitist approach I must say. But fortunately America's true character is very liberal and most Americans do not think the way you think. It's all the more shameful that you speak as you do while still being on the other side.
Last edited by qesehmk; 06-21-2013 at 03:01 PM.
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Devil is in the details. I also think Democrats should compromise on this if the new "permanent underclass" is not truly unjust.
Let us look at house version of CIR to evaluate "extreme right wingers" if they have good intentions really
Q,
In the same way the answer is people in EB waiting also are human beings and did not cross the borders illegally.
I am happy that you came out with your ture colors friend... assuming things by yourself is not good. If you feel you are a democrat... that is ok That does not mean that you get emotional and personally attack other members if your views are not noded here. You behave like another pappu of ** all are same. I never said I am on the otherside.. First read and understand the threads title.. are you Mad??? The real uncultural barbarian words of any of our country men came out from you.
Don't forget to engage illegals to have your lawn done.. if you are real and having guts you should keep this reply without deleting
The same stupid way you born might be for useless cases and you have the Green now and you are talking like any of our countrymen hoping that you feel you are from Indian origin still and not gora yet or you are painting yourself as one.
Bye from your forum and the so called elite group.
immitime - good luck wherever you go. Attacking other immigrant groups and demeaning them has never been my specialty and yes I agree - I have zero tolerance for that.
Having said that, of course, I will keep this post here not just in the spirit of FREE SPEECH but also as a lesson to other idiots like you who are too self-centered to understand that their own well being is in standing together with other immigrant groups.
p.s. - For the record - you are leaving on your own. Apparently, the same freedom of speech you grant yourself - you couldn't grant to me and in protest are leaving the forum. My best to you.
Last edited by qesehmk; 06-21-2013 at 04:01 PM.
I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
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Not well said, but I agree completely with the intended message.
To Q/abcx13/immitime
It needs no reminding that this is one of the most civil and courteous blogs for immigration and I am confident that I am not alone in feeling disappointed at the last few posts.I frequent this forum to gather views from various viewpoints and I sincerely hope that emotions cool down and everybody continues their contribution.It is understandable to feel frustrated by lack of progress with the GC process and we all hope to see all the long waiters greened soon
Strongly Agree !!!! Let's stop this and return back to real talking points !!!!
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