Discussion On The Politics of Immigration Reform (Comprehensive Or Otherwise)

[rupen86]

Another part of the equation is the fact that with the exception of the immigration issue, Hispanics are really very conservative. As a hard working, religious, family focused, frugal, responsible community, they would jump at the opportunity to vote Republican if they didn't think the Republicans hated them. Rather than being a liability to the GOP, the Hispanic population could drive the next generation's worth of growth for them. Although, the GOP may just have built up too much ill-will over the last few decades.

I disagree with that. They may be conservative in some aspects. But in some aspects, they are more liberal. Hispanics support for gay marriage outpaces general population.

[immi2910]

Bottom line facts:
1. CIR is a democratic bill! Period. It may have "bi-partisan" aspects attached but from the point of view of voters CIR is a Obama/Democratic party bill.
2. The only way for Republican Party to get some credit is by having their own bill(s) that add up to CIR or equivalent. This helps them tell a good story of Republican initiative on immigration.
3. Conservative voters don't really have much of a play here for simple bottom line: "If not GOP, who are they going to vote for?"

On number 3, I think conservative voters can vote for an even more conservative candidate in the primary. This is what worries the republicans. Its not the dems but people from their own party.

[whateverGC]

immi2910, your right on, Republicans fear the primaries more than general elections. They will have to face stronger republican competition if they revolt

On number 3, I think conservative voters can vote for an even more conservative candidate in the primary. This is what worries the republicans. Its not the dems but people from their own party.

[geterdone]

saw this on twitter- everyone or at least those from Wisconsin can contact him about this

Sean Duffy ‏@RepSeanDuffy 29m

Talk back! Send your thoughts and advice on #Immigration before House takes over debate: http://bit.ly/1b5PYD4

On number 3, I think conservative voters can vote for an even more conservative candidate in the primary. This is what worries the republicans. Its not the dems but people from their own party.

[vizcard]

immi2910, your right on, Republicans fear the primaries more than general elections. They will have to face stronger republican competition if they revolt

The 2012 presidential elections were a classic example. The republicans primaries gave Obama so much ammo plus he had all the minority vote. The same story is going to repeat itself.

The hope is that democrats can control both houses after next years elections. I am not that hopeful that the House will do anything meaningful for immigration before the August recess. Then it has to plough through the process in the House where the conservatives will try to kill or just drag it out.

[idiotic]

immi2910, your right on, Republicans fear the primaries more than general elections. They will have to face stronger republican competition if they revolt

Precisely the problem with gerrymandering of house districts. Republicans will win anyway till 2020. But who gets nominated will be solely decided on who is the right most.. This is the exact problem with Tea Party today. As long as this continues and they live in their own world, they will continue to be in death spiral.

[rupen86]

I do not know if this has been posted here before but last week Pelsoi hinted that she would be ok with piecemeal apporach in order to go to house-senate conference.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ble-93515.html

[rupen86]

As I was earlier suggesting, house may pass couple of piecemeal bills just to go to conference with senate. And what happens in conference is anyone's guess.

http://www.latintimes.com/articles/5...l-approach.htm

[Jonty Rhodes]

Now, this is only an opinion piece but House GOP may very well follow this approach in July delaying anything substantial on immigration.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...on_738606.html

Also, the percentage of American Citizens across the party lines (Democrats, Republicans and Independents) opposing Health Care Benefits to undocumented immigrants until they obtain citizenship, is very very high. No one can deny them health care benefits once they become citizens but until than they should not be eligible to get those benefits, that's the message. I hope that Democrats compromise with Republicans on this principle. This would be a big big compromise on part of Democrats but can certainly bring many many Moderate House GOP Republicans on board for passing the reform, be it piecemeal or comprehensive.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congr...eform-20130625

[rupen86]

Now, this is only an opinion piece but House GOP may very well follow this approach in July delaying anything substantial on immigration.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...on_738606.html

Also, the percentage of American Citizens across the party lines (Democrats, Republicans and Independents) opposing Health Care Benefits to undocumented immigrants until they obtain citizenship, is very very high. No one can deny them health care benefits once they become citizens but until than they should not be eligible to get those benefits, that's the message. I hope that Democrats compromise with Republicans on this principle. This would be a big big compromise on part of Democrats but can certainly bring many many Moderate House GOP Republicans on board for passing the reform, be it piecemeal or comprehensive.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congr...eform-20130625

In the current senate bill also, benefits are not available till they green card. So, what is the big compromise to delay that till citizenship which is 3 more years ?

[idiotic]

Also, the percentage of American Citizens across the party lines (Democrats, Republicans and Independents) opposing Health Care Benefits to undocumented immigrants until they obtain citizenship, is very very high. No one can deny them health care benefits once they become citizens but until than they should not be eligible to get those benefits, that's the message. I hope that Democrats compromise with Republicans on this principle. This would be a big big compromise on part of Democrats but can certainly bring many many Moderate House GOP Republicans on board for passing the reform, be it piecemeal or comprehensive.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congr...eform-20130625

This is already in Gang of 8 bill.. I think house republicans will want to extend the restriction to legal immigrants too According to them Guest workers should only be eligible to contribute to the funds not to take out.

[psychedelicNerd]

Now, this is only an opinion piece but House GOP may very well follow this approach in July delaying anything substantial on immigration.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...on_738606.html

Also, the percentage of American Citizens across the party lines (Democrats, Republicans and Independents) opposing Health Care Benefits to undocumented immigrants until they obtain citizenship, is very very high. No one can deny them health care benefits once they become citizens but until than they should not be eligible to get those benefits, that's the message. I hope that Democrats compromise with Republicans on this principle. This would be a big big compromise on part of Democrats but can certainly bring many many Moderate House GOP Republicans on board for passing the reform, be it piecemeal or comprehensive.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congr...eform-20130625

I personally do not see the rationale behind denying them health care, once they are legally into the system. There are other ways to get them to pay the price for coming here illegally. And I guess those means/measures would be employed in the name of paying back taxes, fines etc. But really, denying health care to someone after they have agreed to come clean and want to do things the right way is just inhumane. Just my humble opinion that's all. And it's not like they'll get free medical benefits. Wouldn't they be required to pay Health Insurance as all us legals do?

[rupen86]

one more surprising endorsement for immigration..don't know how much that will influence house republicans though..

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/...7#.UdSIdKxnOW8

[idiotic]

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013...n-reform-house

Bottomline: Actively Keep calling your House of Representatives requesting them to support CIR..

[rupen86]

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013...n-reform-house

Bottomline: Actively Keep calling your House of Representatives requesting them to support CIR..

Calling is important but more important is what to talk about. While showing support for CIR in general is good, we have to talk about EB green card provisions that are missing in the house bill which are present in the senate bill. The most important provisions missing are

1) Recapturing green cards
2) exemption for spouses and minor children
3) exemption for STEM graduates
4) Early filing of I485 irrespective of priority dates
and many more.

There will be many people calling for CIR support but very few talking about the above which are important to us and that's why we have to talk about them

[Ramsen]

Calling is important but more important is what to talk about. While showing support for CIR in general is good, we have to talk about EB green card provisions that are missing in the house bill which are present in the senate bill. The most important provisions missing are

1) Recapturing green cards
2) exemption for spouses and minor children
3) exemption for STEM graduates
4) Early filing of I485 irrespective of priority dates
and many more.

There will be many people calling for CIR support but very few talking about the above which are important to us and that's why we have to talk about them

Basically house wants zero sum game in number of gcs. So it may be difficult for all of the 4. May be it is practical to push 1 and 2. If you push everything you may not get anything. We will know clearly when house gang of 7 bill comes

[gs1968]

Majority Leader Cantor continue to be lukewarm in his attitude to immigration and is intentionally slow-walking the issue

http://washingtonexaminer.com/eric-c...stom_click=rss

[idiotic]

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...44aspassed.pdf

Latest CBO report on S.744 as passed by Senate.. Good read to know the facts first hand..

[gs1968]

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...44aspassed.pdf

Latest CBO report on S.744 as passed by Senate.. Good read to know the facts first hand..

This will provide fodder for the anti-immigration group because even after all the money being spent on the border the illegal immigration rate will be decreased by 33-50% (instead of the 25% in the original Bill)

[idiotic]

This will provide fodder for the anti-immigration group because even after all the money being spent on the border the illegal immigration rate will be decreased by 33-50% (instead of the 25% in the original Bill)

I think this is deliberate House will do its changes and claim victory of greater than >75% by introducing some exit-entry system at last minute

That's the way game in Senate turned out right.

[rupen86]

Majority Leader Cantor continue to be lukewarm in his attitude to immigration and is intentionally slow-walking the issue

http://washingtonexaminer.com/eric-c...stom_click=rss

The thinking might be that house gang bill will be taken up by the judiciary committee in July and house won't act on it before August recess.

[GCSeekerIndia]

Welcome GCSeekerIndia. I think that's quite logical. There are 2 questions really ... (I am not asking you really. Just throwing them out loud).

A) Who are those 28 republicans that can be cajolled into voting for CIR.
B) Are there any democrats that could vote NO on CIR (because of the pressure from their constituents e.g.).

From WashingtonPost...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010...20july%203.pdf


Republicans with growing numbers of Latino and Asian constituents

California
Jeff Denham
David Valadao
Gary Miller
Buck McKeon
Devin Nunes

Colorado
Mike Coffman

Florida
Mario Diaz-Balart
Illeana Ros-Lehtinen

New York
Peter King
Michael Grimm

Nevada
Joe Heck

Republicans with agricultural or high-tech interests in their districts
Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte
Spencer Bachus
Sam Johnson
Darrell Issa

Long term backers of Immigration reform
Paul Ryan
Greg Walden
Raul Labrador

[gcq]

http://news.yahoo.com/millions-more-...193330831.html

Landmark immigration legislation passed by the Senate would remake America's workforce from the highest rungs to the lowest and bring many more immigrants into the economy, from elite technology companies to restaurant kitchens and rural fields.In place of the unauthorized workers now commonly found laboring in lower-skilled jobs in the agriculture or service industries, many of these workers would be legal, some of them permanent-resident green card holders or even citizens.
Illegal immigration across the border with Mexico would slow, but legal immigration would increase markedly.

[rupen86]

This looks like from republican leaning reporter but some of the concerns are valid.
http://lancasteronline.com/article/l...n-amnesty.html

Securing border before granting legal status seems to be becoming sticky issue.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/30...ng-immigrants-

I agree with the below one. Immigration reform is now facing the question "Later?"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...it-till-later/

[rupen86]

This looks like from republican leaning reporter but some of the concerns are valid.
http://lancasteronline.com/article/l...n-amnesty.html

Securing border before granting legal status seems to be becoming sticky issue.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/30...ng-immigrants-

I agree with the below one. Immigration reform is now facing the question "Later?"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...it-till-later/

Some conservative groups asks Boehner to take up immigration. Again this one points to the question of when to make illegal, legal.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/30...ration-reform-