Discussion On The Politics of Immigration Reform (Comprehensive Or Otherwise)

[qesehmk]

I am all for GLBT. Just saying that - the provision just guarantees defeat in the house.

Q,

I disagree with you, just like we get frustrated when people think few tens of thousands of indians discrimiated and suffering for decades is not being taken seriously, gays will feel the same.

Leahy has done the right thing but almost everyone knows that the amendment will be defeated even by democrats.
( even Leahy knows that )

It is just symbolic on his part.

[indiani]

I am all for GLBT. Just saying that - the provision just guarantees defeat in the house.

I got your point now and i agree completely if this amendment is included in final bill , CIR will never become law.

But Leahy as I mentioned before knows that even his democratic colleagues will vote down this amendment.

He is hoping for some political contributions from LGBT community for his next election..lol

[rupen86]

From Oh Law firm,
06/12/2013: Sen. Grassley Supports the CIR Bill and Propose his Amendment #1195

It is very surprising that the Senator Grassley introduced his amendment S. AMDT 1195 with a statement that he supports the CIR bill and just amend RPI trigger provision as follows: (Purpose: To prohibit the granting of registered provisional immigrant status until the Secretary has maintained effective control of the borders for 6 months). On page 855, strike line 24 and all that follows through page 856, line 9, and insert the following:
"(1) PROCESSING OF APPLICATIONS FOR REGISTERED PROVISIONAL IMMIGRANT STATUS.--Not earlier than the date upon which the Secretary has submitted to Congress a certification that the Secretary has maintained effective control of the Southern border for a period of not less 6 months, the Secretary may commence processing applications for registered provisional immigrant status pursuant to section 245B of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as added by section 2101 of this Act." This amendment will be voted today.
Very good!


Although it appears very positive and surprising that senator like Grassley will support the bill, this amendment is unlikely to pass.

[immitime]

I got your point now and i agree completely if this amendment is included in final bill , CIR will never become law.

But Leahy as I mentioned before knows that even his democratic colleagues will vote down this amendment.

He is hoping for some political contributions from LGBT community for his next election..lol

But as per one of the statement from The President, he won't sign the bill without this provision and 11 million path to citizenship.. so anybody think he may Veto the bill without this provisions???

[gs1968]

From Oh Law firm,
06/12/2013: Sen. Grassley Supports the CIR Bill and Propose his Amendment #1195

It is very surprising that the Senator Grassley introduced his amendment S. AMDT 1195 with a statement that he supports the CIR bill and just amend RPI trigger provision as follows: (Purpose: To prohibit the granting of registered provisional immigrant status until the Secretary has maintained effective control of the borders for 6 months). On page 855, strike line 24 and all that follows through page 856, line 9, and insert the following:
"(1) PROCESSING OF APPLICATIONS FOR REGISTERED PROVISIONAL IMMIGRANT STATUS.--Not earlier than the date upon which the Secretary has submitted to Congress a certification that the Secretary has maintained effective control of the Southern border for a period of not less 6 months, the Secretary may commence processing applications for registered provisional immigrant status pursuant to section 245B of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as added by section 2101 of this Act." This amendment will be voted today.
Very good!


Although it appears very positive and surprising that senator like Grassley will support the bill, this amendment is unlikely to pass.

I read that too from Matthew Oh but I am unable to find any substantiation that he actually supports the Bill.It would be a great get for the Gof8 if they could bring him aboard as he would pull a lot of conservatives along.I did not see his floor speech but his printed remarks do not suggest support.

http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/press_releases.cfm

[delguy]

I heard the debate yesterday and I dont recall Grassley making any statement in support of the bill in current shape.

I read that too from Matthew Oh but I am unable to find any substantiation that he actually supports the Bill.It would be a great get for the Gof8 if they could bring him aboard as he would pull a lot of conservatives along.I did not see his floor speech but his printed remarks do not suggest support.

http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/press_releases.cfm

[delguy]

This is incorrect. President has not put any such condition regarding LGBT support in the bill.

But as per one of the statement from The President, he won't sign the bill without this provision and 11 million path to citizenship.. so anybody think he may Veto the bill without this provisions???

[gs1968]

Interesting although it is still delaying the inevitable

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ate-92652.html

[seahawks2012]

That's ok. When you will reach a position of power whatever field you are working - you will realize that even if you are the topmost guy - you just can never have 100% control over anything. It's always a compromise.

Same goes with immigration, crime, childbirth-deaths, rapes and what not. If you have a 100% control over something then that thing can't be important enough for the world.

So the moment anybody talks about 100% border control as a precondition to CIR - that person/organization is opposed to CIR - just that they dont' want to say so publicly.

I guess my point was not clear enough, I get that 100% is not possible. But, that should not be the justification for "doing nothing". There is always a middle/common/compromise ground. The debate is about what that middle ground is. It is safe to say the CIR bill is not strong enough on border provisions to even reach that common ground of agreement/compromise between both the parties. So, saying that any border provision amendment is going to be a non-starter is the antithesis of saying "100% is unattainable".

[gcq]

Interesting although it is still delaying the inevitable

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ate-92652.html

Sessions confirmed he is putting the brakes on votes for now — although he indicated it’s more than one Republican senator doing so.

As if it is a surprise !

[delguy]

The debate is restarted. Can be seen at:

http://www.senate.gov/floor/index.htm

As if it is a surprise !

[qesehmk]

Of course. Middle ground is what they should be looking for. But I am afraid - and my point is that - those who want to derail the talks and CIR - talk about completely securing the borders as a precondition to CIR.

I guess my point was not clear enough, I get that 100% is not possible. But, that should not be the justification for "doing nothing". There is always a middle/common/compromise ground. The debate is about what that middle ground is. It is safe to say the CIR bill is not strong enough on border provisions to even reach that common ground of agreement/compromise between both the parties. So, saying that any border provision amendment is going to be a non-starter is the antithesis of saying "100% is unattainable".

[gcq]

The debate is restarted. Can be seen at:

http://www.senate.gov/floor/index.htm

Sessions says "African Americans" can't get jobs so it should not proceed. A guy who cares for African Americans !
"Unemployment going up. There aren't enough jobs" typical arguments of an anti-immigrant.

[delguy]

Sen Dean Heller (R) just spoke and seems to be in favor of bill. Good sign. He proposed few minor amendments but overwass appeared to be cool with current bill.

[idiotic]

Sessions says "African Americans" can't get jobs so it should not proceed. A guy who cares for African Americans !
"Unemployment going up. There aren't enough jobs" typical arguments of an anti-immigrant.

Mr. Sessions == numbersusa.com

Their only goal is "Reduce immigration legal or illegal"

Even the republicancs who are against this acknowledged on senate floor that there is enough votes for the bill to pass Senate.

It is a defeat for people like Mr. Sessions in Senate.

House of Representatives is the real deal for CIR now.. They are under huge political pressure and will be forced to do something..

[delguy]

I liked the way Sen McCain provided rebuttal for Sen Cornyn amendment. Sen Cornyn just cooked up an amendment that require billions of dollars in implementation but has no answers to where the money will come from for that. The way McCain and Schumer argued with him was music to ears.

Those who are interested in really improving the bill are providing specific amendments to specific issues whereas monkey wrench throwers are busy with vague amendments.

[vizcard]

if you want a good laugh check this out.. idiots want to deport the Statue of Liberty because its an illegal alien

http://deportthestatue.us/

[gcq]

Many GOP senator's feelings hurt. " I am not the guy who takes these lightly" ( Probably senator from Utah )

[kkruna]

if you want a good laugh check this out.. idiots want to deport the Statue of Liberty because its an illegal alien

http://deportthestatue.us/

Take the vote on the page. It's actually the other way.

[immitime]

Conservatives call on Boehner at Congress to stick with hastert rule. the rule dictates that no bill come to the floor without assurance that a majority of GOP members will vote for it.


http://blogs.rollcall.com/goppers/co...-hastert-rule/

[gs1968]

Another piecemeal Bill in the house by House Judiciary members for border security closely aligned with Sen Cornyn Amendment

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2013...o-cornyn-plan/

[indiani]

Unless we see a bill that passes the house , rest is all speculation

[gs1968]

Interesting development-I really think the endgame is near

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...orm-92695.html

[vizcard]

Interesting development-I really think the endgame is near

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...orm-92695.html

We're so not even close to the end game. Its more like they are deciding the rules of the game before starting it.

Assuming it does go through the House, I'll bet there are so many points of contention with the Senate bill that conference will likely take as long as the House and Senate processes (2-3 months easy)
- border security (this itself is a cluster)
- H1Bs
- family based immigration/ points system
- benefits/fees
- pure number of immigrant workers - based on the tenuous compromises between the labor and business groups.

[pdfeb09]

if you want a good laugh check this out.. idiots want to deport the Statue of Liberty because its an illegal alien

http://deportthestatue.us/

it is ridiculous by design ... it is hilarious, however.