The situation in the House is so messed up we should be grateful they don't have a Bill yet!
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...on-plan/64771/
http://blogs.rollcall.com/goppers/ho...deport-option/
What purpose is served by this pointless touch-back to their home countries?
I agree. Its pointless. Besides, how in the world are they going to calculate back taxes ? One could very well claim to be under the 50K (or whatever) annual salary and not be subject to taxes. So there's no reason to not go that route.Originally Posted by gs1968
The aim is to kill the bill. Self deportation will never fly. I just hope Boehner has the stones to circumvent this noise and get down to real business.
I do not see anything wrong here. There are giving 2 options. One would be to pay penalties as the senate plan says or second option is to return to the home country and apply through new legal channel which is supposed be broader and easier. So, I feel it is providing more than what senate plan is proposing.
In my case, I got my MS in 2004 then changed jobs and applied in 2008 which was then bulk rejected by DOL then reapplied in 2011. That's loss of 2.5 years of priority date & not being able to qualify for the STEM MS category because of reasons that only DOL & Senate understands.
This is right. In addtion to the 3rd choice of status quo to stay put as illegal without any action.
There should not be an issue.
The "touchback" is actually pretty significant:
1. DOS and not DHS would process the application. They have more manpower.
2. DOS decisions cannot be reviewed by courts (doctrine of consular non-reviewability).
3. If DOS denies the application, no further action is needed - the immigrant is already outside the US. No need to start removal proceedings.
It actually makes a lot of sense to me.
Reality check -
If an illegal is working here and has a steady stream of income, why in the world would they go back home (ie self deport), apply through the legal immigration channel and risk getting rejected? There is no upside for that individual at all.
In theory the touchback makes sense but the reality of it is a small fraction (if any) would choose this route. The only purpose I can see of adding this will be make conservative republicans ok the bill with "self deportation" included
I don't understand your need to use the term "self deportation". This is nothing more than consular processing.
Currently, those who EWI need to do CP anyway. I agree than making either/or makes it unlikely many would go through CP. Just keep the current law, but make the waivers available to more people.
The proposed upside is avoid the long wait to a GC and the (presumably) heavy fees.
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To vizcard
None of this will come about and will be nixed in conference if it comes to that.
We had covered this news item a few days ago but is worth repeating just to try and make sense of the last paragraph
"We can do a lot and I just hope that if we get to the point where there are some issues that seem insurmountable, let’s go ahead and try to practice doing things together so we can get some things done,” Cantor said."
I don't think even he can make sense of what he just said!
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/r...140103261.html
"Conservatism has always been about reforming government and solving problems, and that's why the conservative movement should lead on immigration reform," he wrote. "The immigration-reform bill in the Senate is a solid starting point for solving this problem, and I believe it can be made even better as Congress begins to actively work on it in committee next week. But defeating it without offering an alternative cannot be the conservative position on immigration reform. That would leave the issue entirely in the hands of President Obama and leave in place the disastrous status quo."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9420W920130503
Some movement on the House side although we have seen this before. I think the House Group feels it has to introduce a Bill before the Senate passes its version so they are not pressurized to accept the Senate Bill as their working basis
Hi I am new to this site so bear with Me please. I read an article and is was basically saying that the President can use his power to legalize the 11 million undocumented immigrants even if it fails to pass in the senate or in the House. Can he use that same power to pass comprehensive immigration reform?
He cannot use executive powers to pass legislation. Thats the fundamental reason of the different branches of govt. Current immigration laws are exactly that - laws. They can only be changed by Congress.
He can legalize them but can't put them on a path to citizenship. Also if he did legalize them, you can take it in writing that Democrats will suffer in elections.
The President can use "prosecutorial discretion" to grant deferred action, on a large scale if he wants. But that does not give anyone a green card or a road to citizenship.
I think the president might defer most deportations (apart from felons) but he cannot give EAD's to all illegals like he did for dreamers.I don't think the democrats in congress or even obama seriously wants immigration to be passed as it will be like a carrot they can use for latino vote , thats why he and leahy wants gay marriage recognistion part of CIR which only makes it much tougher to pass in house , moreover black caucus wanst diversity visas part of the bill which again republicans don't like.
in general when 2 parties have to agree on a huge bill, its safe to say that the odds of bill dying is much higher than passing,
"The guest worker provisions will be one of the more contentious issues the Senate Judiciary Committee faces when it considers changes to the legislation in its "markup" next week."
What is a "markup" of bill? Seems like a good news to have it potentially come out next week... some action hopefully!
To seahawks
It refers to the process by which the Bill is debated/amendments made and text altered IN COMMITTEE before being reported to the entire Senate for deliberation of that chamber.It usually indicates the end of the Hearing phase in that chamber.Once the legislative language is finalized,a simple majority vote in Committee is enough to report the Bill to the Senate Floor-From the Senate Glossary
" markup - The process by which congressional committees and subcommittees debate, amend, and rewrite proposed legislation. "
A couple of news stories from this AM
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ill-90945.html
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...-PjW88.twitter
The fond hope is 70+ votes but whether that will move the House is a different question.At the very least the positive energy on the Senate Bill should make the House produce its own Bill.The Simpson-Mazzoli Bill in 1986 gathered 69 Senate votes to put things in perspective and was passed in May 1985 but the House Bill and Conference report did not pass till the fall of 1986
My personaly opinion is that Boehner is going to play an extremely important role in the next 6 months .. more so than Rubio played in the last 6 months. Leahy and Goodlatte will have their 15 mins but I think Boehner will need to make the ultimate call to bring the Senate-passed bill to the floor. If he doesn't allow that, then it will be defeated or at the very least delayed. Then you'll have the Congressional elections next year and we'll be back to square 1 with need to go through most of the whole process.
If the Administration want they can fix the Legal immigration easily within a week.. see how USCIS changed the spillover interpretation and H1 Visa revalidation RFE stuffs without any intervention of Congress. Legal immigration has been made hostage for long, just to have the political ambitions acheived, and the cost of it is family sufferings, splitup, and what not Do I say anything more???. The Natures law will not spare the id***s who created this mess.
Guys ... as much as everybody's hope are high - my word of advice is - don't lose sight of your career and life.
We are already seeing politics being played with the issue - from both parties. Politicians live on issues. They don't live for solving issues. So both sides will try to keep it alive rather than solve it.
So don't pin your hopes too much on this bill and differ what you want to do in your life and career.
I no longer provide calculations/predictions ever since whereismyGC.com was created.
I do run this site only as an administrator. Our goal is to improve clarity of GC process to help people plan their lives better.
Use the info at your risk. None of this is legal advice.
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Completely agree. The Special Forces (either the Seals or the Rangers..not sure which) have a motto that is so perfect when it comes to living our day to day lives under this cloud of immigration - "Plan for the worst, hope for the best". Obviously worst case is nothing happens with CIR in which case the calculations on this forum will become your best source of directional guidance related to immigration. Best case is that CIR passes and everyone becomes current in the next year.
Also, I was given a piece of advice when I was much younger and I'll pass it on to this forum. "Worry about what you can control...You cannot do anything about the other stuff anyway" (other than pray if you are a religious person).
Q, you are right... no hope highs!! :-)... There is no career or good life without a GC.. it s only tiffin carrier! Politics is being played there also, but the only difference is office politics! of course, People who came on 2007, 2008 to this country have green card.. people from 2002 waits still for 485 approvals. There is only 5 % chance of passing this bill. No hopes from day 1! :-) People may think I am a pessimist of course not. As Q says, we need to look after our Welfare, rather than waiting for this bill with a begging bowl!
IMO key to whether CIR bill will come to vote will be determined by GOP in party negotiations with house leadership. I assume, it might be already going on. If it is fruitful, passage in house is virtually guaranteed. As for Goodlatte, he was strongly against illegal immigration. The fact that he even agreed to discuss in committee itself is a big change for him. I speculate he will further change and bring the bill for vote.
immitime - step away from the ledge my friend. I sincerely hope you were being sarcastic in your post.
There's no need for doom and gloom scenarios. I have recommended this to others. If your life sucks so much without a GC, then maybe you should consider going back to your home country. If you imagine your life will miraculously change with a GC, you are in for a rude shock.
From a day to day perspective for a young / middle-aged person, the only thing that changes with a GC is the sense of security (and a shorter line through customs). I don't want to undermine the sense of security aspect but you should really be focusing on the foundations of your life - family, health and job (in that order). You should take action to improve all those aspects. You can change jobs if you feel you are being victimized in your current job - albeit with some paperwork.
GC will help to get you lot more good Jobs rather than being held with the same Job / skill for the last 10 years. I personally missed close to 7 opportunities in the last year or so., being the reason i don't have GC.
GC has lot more advantages but the "PATH TO GC" as you mentioned is more rude shock.
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