Durbin is a union guy. That makes him and Grassley ( an anti-immigrant) comrades when it comes to H1B and high skilled immigration. I doubt durbin's proposal will clear house or senate. He wants Irish special visa so Irish can find employment in US and hopefully reduce the bar for Irish, but restrict H1B, which is for high skilled labor.Originally Posted by CleanSock
To gcq
From abcx13's link above
"Republicans are also mulling over hefty restrictions on companies that hire higher-skilled workers. An employer that hires an H-1B worker would need to certify they haven’t fired anyone 90 days before or after having that employee work at the site — a method to ensure companies aren’t firing U.S. workers and replacing them with foreign workers. Some GOP lawmakers could introduce a bill containing this language in coming weeks, several sources familiar with negotiations said."
H-1B restrictions are being strongly considered in both chambers and Sen.Grassley has already introduced a stand-alone Bill and House members are going to do the same
The article seems to be stating that there are disagreements on low skill visa and agriculture issue has not been resolved. It also talks about H1B restrictions. And there might be a separate bill for that. I do not know what will come out of house gang of 8 then. Looks like it will only include items that are agreed upon and separate bills for not agreed items. So, it won't be comprehensive bill that will come out of gang of 8 in house.
Someone posted this link on trackitt. Finally one article which talks only about Legal Immigration. Points discussed in this article are 1) Higher wages for H1B workers 2) Higher filing fees for companies who have more than 30% H1B employees 3) Unlimited green cards to STEM graduates from US 4) Potential increase in H1B cap to 100,000.
But not everything is looking good. Some senators are against a lot of points mentioned in the article.
http://m.washingtonpost.com/politics...695_story.html
I am not against provision 2 assuming the percentages (for H1Bs as % of total employees) are reasonable before the higher fees/H1B ineligibility kick in and there's a minimum no. of employees cut off so as to avoid penalizing a 2 person immigrant start-up. The Indian IT outsourcers were clearly not the intended beneficiaries of the H1B program. That is labor cost arbitrage - plain and simple.
Anyway, I've never seen any of the Indian IT companies actually contribute lobbying dollars to one of these immigration bills (L1s and H1Bs seem to work just fine for them since it's not in their interest to get you a GC anyway). It's always the Google, MSFT and Intel types who lobby and they will have no problem clearing this threshold so I don't see what the kerfuffle is all about. Of course, NASSCOM will whine and bitch but who cares about them...
Interestingly, there has been no talk about a startup visa either - which I think would be a lot more beneficial to the economy. Even if it's slightly easier to immigrate unlimited STEM GC (hopefully they'll restrict the univs it applies to) you'll still leave out guys like Steve Jobs who don't have a STEM degree. So a startup visa is still required I think.
This I think is a stupid restriction. So if you fire an US Citizen EE who doesn't know Ohm's Law and want to hire a German EE who designed the electronics on a space probe, you can't?
Ugh. If only Congress could get their head out of their behinds and implement a points-based system like every other developed country...
The article talks about increase in H1B and STEM green cards but silent on other things like Recapture, Not counting dependents and removing per country quota which is disappointing.
The article talks about increase in H1B and STEM green cards but silent on other things like Recapture, Not counting dependents and removing per country quota which is disappointing.
CIR will not help EB. Its gonna create more mess for EB.
STEM may reduce some backlog, but even STEM is controversial if it is included part of EB - For Instance, MBA degree is not part of STEM but Multi-national managers are part of EB - RIDICULOUS!
gs1968,
Please remember the quote in the above article.
Sessions said, “I guess he wasn’t ready. They didn’t seem to be interested in doing that,” he told reporters. “I didn’t get the impression there was any interest to get that done today [among the gang of eight]. The impression I got was that they hoped to be able to do it next week.”
The problem is this.. nobody is really interested to give amnesty to 11 million people.. they last done an amnesty around 1985-86.. within 28 years 11million illegal... so not to have much expectation from CIR.
Now the President can do an executive order.. as a politician he may do it only just before 2014. until that he will chant bipartisan mantra!.. This is a political show off.. just for fun we can see the news.. that is it. Again I will be surprised if anything in the Executive Order for Legal immigrants!. We have been beaten again and again by all these people . AILA, Senators, WH, USCIS, the so called chappus **. I am not pessimistic. But to accept the truth it takes long long time.. only experience will tell the taste of Sugar.
Folks they are showing carrots.. next is going to be stick after an year of debate, after that the famous words of 'WE TRIED BUT BECAUSE OF SO AND SO IT NEVER EVER HAPPENED" WE TRIED AND executive order for illegals will give them votes and winning time. Still We Legals will be waiting.. waiting and waiting.......
Last edited by immitime; 04-10-2013 at 03:29 PM.
Thanks for sharing the link. This is significant news!
I read this last night and I think its great. But there are people that already have heartburn about the fact that theres only one hearing.
I dont think anyone in the political circles wants amnesty but everyone seems to be getting on board with the "path to citizenship" concept. The reason there's not a lot of press about green cards is that there seems to be consensus among what to do about green cards. There's a lot of debate and politicking in the illegal immigration space including the 40% of people who overstay their visas.
As written its a bullshit bill and will never pass. There's a valid concern that US citizens are replaced with foreigners. I do think your example is a little extreme though.You cannot fire somone without cause even if someone "better" comes along (your rocket scientist). There better be a damn good reason otherwise the company will be sued. I don't think companies do this in general - atleast most mid to large companies. I think this legislation is aimed towards smaller businesses especially privately owned companies where they try to get a wage arbitrage using foreigners.
BTW when I say "you" I dont mean you personally.
Gun control Bill cloture invoked and so no Senate action till Monday unless items of unanimous consent.
This clears the stage for possible CIR announcement this afternoon (I Hope!!)
The senate is in recess between 1230 to 230 with no activity and this could be the ideal time
Last edited by gs1968; 04-11-2013 at 11:24 AM.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93A00W20130411
Hopefully Durbin's H1B issues will be resolved soon as well.
To abcx13
Thanks for the link and I do hope the other issues are resolved as well.
The problem is that these closed-door deals do not seem to have broader support and although there is initial enthusiasm,there also seems to be regret/remorse later.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...lan-89917.html
They are obviously revisiting this as the current W-visa plan will not pass the House
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...migration-bill
Last edited by gs1968; 04-11-2013 at 12:25 PM.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/us...pagewanted=all
And they apparently have a deal! I guess H1B was resolved?
We are assuming that all the EB provisions are uncontroversial and let's hope that proves to be the case. For the record, here's my want list:
1. Remove country quotas
2. Stop counting dependents
3. Recapture
4. Special STEM GC
5. Increase in overall EB numbers from 140k.
Let's see how many we get.
BTW, now that the AP doesn't use the term illegal immigrant, did anyone see the Jay Leno about how they are all undocumented Democrats instead? Hilarious, I tell you.
ETA: Greg Siskind's blog is also good. http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/
He says McCain says bill won't be out for a few days. So hopefully early next week? Let's hope the House gets their shit together too.
Last edited by abcx13; 04-11-2013 at 02:35 PM.
Next Tuesday hopefully
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ent-89965.html
Why is McCain changing his mind?
http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/11/mc...igration-bill/
To abcx13
This from an article in The Hill
"Interests advocating for an increase in STEM visas — for immigrants with advanced science, technology, engineering and math backgrounds — are likely to be pleased with the legislation.
A person familiar with the talks said that while there are strict caps — lower than Republicans wanted — on many types of worker visas, STEM visas will not count against the quota."
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