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    Standard propaganda politics "keeping high-tech immigration hostage while pursuing their own agenda". Wonder if Sen. Grassley would be happy satisfying with "comprehensive immigration" instead of the "H.R. 3012".

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    Quote Originally Posted by seahawks2012 View Post
    Standard propaganda politics "keeping high-tech immigration hostage while pursuing their own agenda". Wonder if Sen. Grassley would be happy satisfying with "comprehensive immigration" instead of the "H.R. 3012".
    I believe he will have his say in h1 component. That seems to be his area. Other than that, I do not think he can influence much. In HR 3012 case, he succeeded in stalling the bill because there was no political will to overcome him which is not the case now.

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    This seems to be good news for immigration reform.

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/hi...-reform-91083/

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupen86 View Post
    This seems to be good news for immigration reform.

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/hi...-reform-91083/
    The only good news for immigration reform is no more conflicts or issues rising. This definitely is not a good news if it means "Comprehensive Immigration" gets blocked as there is far less chance of individual high-skilled immigration passing without comprehensive immigration reform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seahawks2012 View Post
    The only good news for immigration reform is no more conflicts or issues rising. This definitely is not a good news if it means "Comprehensive Immigration" gets blocked as there is far less chance of individual high-skilled immigration passing without comprehensive immigration reform.
    If LGBT is omitted, it would be more palatable to republicans (which McCain has already said) which means good thing for CIR. I do not know how it can not be good news.

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    Readout of the President’s Meeting on Commonsense Immigration Reform


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    May be I am wrong ... but it's interesting that president is calling this "Commonsense" immigration reform rather than "comprehensive". This indicates he is willing to do some compromise and give up the emphasis on "comprehensive". Or may be i am wrong! Who knows!
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    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    May be I am wrong ... but it's interesting that president is calling this "Commonsense" immigration reform rather than "comprehensive". This indicates he is willing to do some compromise and give up the emphasis on "comprehensive". Or may be i am wrong! Who knows!

    Jeb Bush downplaying differences.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...ration-reform/

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    It's just so unfortunate it is going this route. The CIR again seems doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbordu_111 View Post
    It's just so unfortunate it is going this route. The CIR again seems doomed.
    Going through the lengthy process may not be beneficial. If CIR has to pass, it has to pass before the summer recess around August. Otherwise, it could meet the same fate as Obama care when it met with angry town hall protests.

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    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,4603683.story

    The last paragraph says it well
    "Muzaffar Chishti, director of the Migration Policy Institute at New York University School of Law, said the real legislative battle over immigration would come after the bill was made public.

    "We haven't even begun to see the opposition to the bill," Chishti said. "Because there isn't meat on the bone."

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    http://www.rollcall.com/news/senate_...10-1.html?pg=1

    Both house and senate bills are expected to be introduced in April.

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    Lindsey Graham gets support from Super PAC for immigration effort. This is positive news because it will provide cover for other republicans who plan to support it who might face primary challenges.

    http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/...ry?id=18718514

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    The proposed changes to the family system have angered immigration advocates, who warn the move could threaten the chances of a broader reform agreement.

    “Eliminating these categories would produce only a small reduction in visas while creating greater hardship for thousands of U.S. citizens and their loved ones,” two dozen members of the House Asian Pacific American caucus wrote in a letter to the eight senators last week. “We oppose any efforts to further limit the definition of family.”


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...ad2_story.html

    More leaks to gauge temperature. Would be fun to see when entire thing comes out. Everyone will have something to complaint about.
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    This is more sensible policy option. It's absolutely moronic to have very strict restrictions on people who are competent and marketplace wants them and then almost have no controls over family immigration and where the immigrants also don't value the immigration that much and are less likely to contribute to the society since their productive years might be behind.

    However i do think that not having any cap on EB is the best way to go. Rather have rules in place that makes sure there is a fair game there that doesn't exploit either the immigrant labor or shortchange of the American labor.
    Quote Originally Posted by PD2008AUG25 View Post
    The proposed changes to the family system have angered immigration advocates, who warn the move could threaten the chances of a broader reform agreement.

    “Eliminating these categories would produce only a small reduction in visas while creating greater hardship for thousands of U.S. citizens and their loved ones,” two dozen members of the House Asian Pacific American caucus wrote in a letter to the eight senators last week. “We oppose any efforts to further limit the definition of family.”


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...ad2_story.html

    More leaks to gauge temperature. Would be fun to see when entire thing comes out. Everyone will have something to complaint about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    This is more sensible policy option. It's absolutely moronic to have very strict restrictions on people who are competent and marketplace wants them and then almost have no controls over family immigration and where the immigrants also don't value the immigration that much and are less likely to contribute to the society since their productive years might be behind.

    However i do think that not having any cap on EB is the best way to go. Rather have rules in place that makes sure there is a fair game there that doesn't exploit either the immigrant labor or shortchange of the American labor.
    How about a flexible cap Q that can be flexible to the economic cycles? I don't think the no cap option will go anywhere close to approval - especially when it comes to EB...

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    You know the funny thing in all of these discussions? It's almost as if the concept of opportunity cost doesn't exist for all these people who are advocating greater family reunification, amnesty, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PD2008AUG25 View Post
    The proposed changes to the family system have angered immigration advocates, who warn the move could threaten the chances of a broader reform agreement.

    “Eliminating these categories would produce only a small reduction in visas while creating greater hardship for thousands of U.S. citizens and their loved ones,” two dozen members of the House Asian Pacific American caucus wrote in a letter to the eight senators last week. “We oppose any efforts to further limit the definition of family.”


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...ad2_story.html

    More leaks to gauge temperature. Would be fun to see when entire thing comes out. Everyone will have something to complaint about.
    Republicans are certainly of the opinion that family green card numbers need to be reduced which would be assigned to EB. Also, they would want to eliminate diversity visa program and assign that to EB. So, it would be like 90k+55k assigned to EB which would double the existing EB numbers without increasing overall numbers. Their give for this would be pathway to citizenship. I think it is a good compromise. This compromise would have opponents from both the parties. It needs to be seen if it gets enough numbers from both the parties.

    Labrador however is pessimistic.
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/polit...-pass-20130314

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupen86 View Post
    Republicans are certainly of the opinion that family green card numbers need to be reduced which would be assigned to EB. Also, they would want to eliminate diversity visa program and assign that to EB. So, it would be like 90k+55k assigned to EB which would double the existing EB numbers without increasing overall numbers. Their give for this would be pathway to citizenship. I think it is a good compromise. This compromise would have opponents from both the parties. It needs to be seen if it gets enough numbers from both the parties.
    Well summarized. I am optimistic something gets done by an overwhelming majority of Democrats and a large minority of Republicans in both the Senate and the House.

    The Dems absolutely want to get something done for the illegals before they go back to the voters in 18 months. If they have are successful, the Hispanic vote could help them keep the Senate in a tough year (in 2014 again, more Dem Senators are up for election than GOPs, and many of them are from red states), and further even the numbers in the House. So, they are likely to give up on family reunification (immigrants not yet on their shores) in favor of illegals (immigrants here already). Besides, the Mexican/Chinese/Philippino/Indian family reunification folks will be happy enough if the 7% cap is raised to 15% even if it is accompanied with a reduction in a couple of categories.

    I don't really see the need for a pathway to citizenship for anyone other than DREAMers. Thinking about it from the perspective of an illegal immigrant, would I want to endanger the possibility of legally staying in the country in search of the vote? I think not. The vast majority of them will be satisfied with a legal framework that allows them to continue to live and work in the US, with citizenship guarantees for any kids and grandkids that they have here.

    I think that's where that issue will end up. A special pathway to citizenship just for the DREAM kids, and an opportunity to legally remain in the country and get into line for a GC for the others (either through the EB path - in conjunction with some sort of EB reform that allows lower skill but high demand jobs access to a path to a GC; or through the FB path - assuming they have DREAMer that gain citizenship or US Born kids).
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