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    Yay, I graduated my freshman year today

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    Demand of only 50 numbers before Jan08 for EB2I

    To me it seems like they have not taken into account the filings from the previous 2 months... ie Oct and Nov Filings....

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    on the other note another 100 people have got a opportunity to file for I 485 because filings before Jan 11 is 150

    Does any one know who gets that opportunity to file for 485 before becoming current?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaumack View Post
    PWMB's - When become qualfied for visa will receive visa allocation in that month itself and will be approved immediately, sowill never make it to the demand data.

    Aug17th-Sep 30th filers - They are still not qualified for visas, so will not be counted.

    In this way of counting does they ever know what they are doing...? No wonder why CO is always so confused

    Anyway thanks for explaining to me
    Last edited by polapragada; 11-09-2011 at 09:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polapragada View Post
    NO! it is ROW see the 3rd column
    Ah, didn't realize you were talking about the 3rd column. But I'm not too surprised at that either. This is the first time I'm looking @ demand data., pardon my ignorance here. My guess would be that the approval cycle for ROW is so quick that there are only 75 people at any given point in time that are perceived as demand. Several thousands of applicants that applied between Jan 08 and Jan 11 (under ROW) have already been approved.

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    The demand data published is certainly excellent news. What it means is that all preadjudicated cases are completely taken care of. The PWMB cases as Shaumack has remarked may in a fair number of cases may never actually make it to the demand data, they will get approved as soon as they are adjudicated. we might start to see PWMB case approvals for the batch Apr 15th - Jul 15th by the end of this month and definitely by early next month. I sincerely hope that the news of 01-MAR-2008 turns out to be true.

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    I think per month allocation of visa number to EB2 category is more than 300. So now demand is less than supply. I am missing something????

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    Quote Originally Posted by girishgkulkarni View Post
    on the other note another 100 people have got a opportunity to file for I 485 because filings before Jan 11 is 150

    Does any one know who gets that opportunity to file for 485 before becoming current?
    I think those are consular processing applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeddyKoochu View Post
    The demand data published is certainly excellent news. What it means is that all preadjudicated cases are completely taken care of. The PWMB cases as Shaumack has remarked may in a fair number of cases may never actually make it to the demand data, they will get approved as soon as they are adjudicated. we might start to see PWMB case approvals for the batch Apr 15th - Jul 15th by the end of this month and definitely by early next month. I sincerely hope that the news of 01-MAR-2008 turns out to be true.
    I think CO is going to stick to his promise of mar,08
    So if the approvals for the newly filed cases gets stopped for a while until yearly SO...this demand data would start showing up the numbers again correct?

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    If demand is less than supply, should they not make it current ? Looks like it is ridiculously under subscribed. I think bulls need to take over from here.
    Quote Originally Posted by username View Post
    I think per month allocation of visa number to EB2 category is more than 300. So now demand is less than supply. I am missing something????

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    Quote Originally Posted by polapragada View Post
    I think CO is going to stick to his promise of mar,08
    So if the approvals for the newly filed cases gets stopped for a while until yearly SO...this demand data would start showing up the numbers again correct?
    I believe that quarterly spillover is already happening so some cases may never show up. The newly filed cases are most likely not ready yet for approvals but they may get approved as soon as they are ready. So as long as the demand data remains low its a good sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asankaran View Post
    If demand is less than supply, should they not make it current ? Looks like it is ridiculously under subscribed. I think bulls need to take over from here.
    Theoretically correct, since we are in Q1 only USCUS doesn't have to worry about visa wastage and con monitor demand by SFM EB2IC dates.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeddyKoochu View Post
    I believe that quarterly spillover is already happening so some cases may never show up. The newly filed cases are most likely not ready yet for approvals but they may get approved as soon as they are ready. So as long as the demand data remains low its a good sign.
    Agree, Demand Data publshed for last three months hinting that.
    Not a Legal advice/opinion, please check with good immigration attorney.

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    They are not going to have much work if they don't dates farther and eventually by May/June everyone would be putting extreme pressure burning out USCIS. So typical hurry and wait approach!!
    Quote Originally Posted by veni001 View Post
    Theoretically correct, since we are in Q1 only USCUS doesn't have to worry about visa wastage and con monitor demand by SFM EB2IC dates.



    Agree, demand data for last three months hinting that.

  14. #1914
    Based on the demand data My prediction is it will go substantially beyond Mar 1 08

    Most likely the VB will settle down at June 1 2008. We just need to wait for official VB to come

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    Few observations from 2007 to till date

    CO is conservative when there is a enough pipeline. He became aggressive when pipeline was drying in 2007 but that was once in a life time event and USCIS learned lesson.

    Since then they do talk and now CO will be little aggressive when its running out of pre adjudicated cases, will do QSP as long as pipeline is not that big , if he build 2 years worth of pipeline then he may not do QSP for first year but will do for second.

    QSP is not required as per INA so it up to CO.

    If he builds buffer more than 8k then it will be tough for him to move in beginning of next year.

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    Guys please tone down the expectations . I think it is definitely great news for folks in 2008 . Let's hope they get in as many people as possible .

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    Quote Originally Posted by asankaran View Post
    They are not going to have much work if they don't dates farther and eventually by May/June everyone would be putting extreme pressure burning out USCIS. So typical hurry and wait approach!!
    Don't think so, the demand EB2IC generate is only a fraction of 485's processed by USCIS.

    Assuming our demand estimates based on PERM/i-140 are not far-off from actual and also based on what CO hinted in Nov'11 VB (forward movement for few more months), USCIS should be able to generate enough EB2IC demand to consume SOFAD.
    Not a Legal advice/opinion, please check with good immigration attorney.

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    Gurus,
    Can you add definitions to the Acronyms list on Page 1. I still struggle with the difference between Demand data and Inventory data. Please explain that to me.

    Demand = 485 documentarily qualified but not adjudicated?
    Inventory = 485 applied but not yet processed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizcard View Post
    Gurus,
    Can you add definitions to the Acronyms list on Page 1. I still struggle with the difference between Demand data and Inventory data. Please explain that to me.

    Demand = 485 documentarily qualified but not adjudicated?
    Inventory = 485 applied but not yet processed?
    Demand = 485 documentarily qualified/ pre-adjudicated
    Inventory = i140 approved and 485 applied (in-processing/pre-adjudicated)
    Not a Legal advice/opinion, please check with good immigration attorney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asankaran View Post
    They are not going to have much work if they don't dates farther and eventually by May/June everyone would be putting extreme pressure burning out USCIS. So typical hurry and wait approach!!
    Please keep in mind that Demand of 0 on Demand-Data pdf doesn't mean that they don't have any demand. The numbers that show up on "Demand Data" are those that are pre-adjudicated and waiting for a Visa# to become available. If a visa# is available then the application will never show up on Demand-Data.

    Having said that, I do believe that dates will move significantly (Mar 08) on Dec bulletin. But beyond that, I don't think we'll see any similar significant movements (there could be smaller movements) for the rest of current fiscal year.

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    Why is whatever metric they are using for set cut off date for "ROW" it is current but for India and China they have to make SFM and BTM ? On what basis ? Why do they need to biased towards us and why do all of us have to agree and accept the bias ? If they are following the law, they should follow it or if they are using some other data point they should share the same.


    Quote Originally Posted by tackle View Post
    Please keep in mind that Demand of 0 on Demand-Data pdf doesn't mean that they don't have any demand. The numbers that show up on "Demand Data" are those that are pre-adjudicated and waiting for a Visa# to become available. If a visa# is available then the application will never show up on Demand-Data.

    Having said that, I do believe that dates will move significantly (Mar 08) on Dec bulletin. But beyond that, I don't think we'll see any similar significant movements (there could be smaller movements) for the rest of current fiscal year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asankaran View Post
    Why is whatever metric they are using for set cut off date for "ROW" it is current but for India and China they have to make SFM and BTM ? On what basis ? Why do they need to biased towards us and why do all of us have to agree and accept the bias ? If they are following the law, they should follow it or if they are using some other data point they should share the same.
    I don't think there is a bias. It's just that the number of people migrating from China and India is too high when compared to other countries. The total available visas is split equally across all countries. So, every country receives the same share. So, there is no bias. There are bills targeted towards removal of this per country limits(quota). But in my opinion, I don't think the current system is going to change any time soon. The people in congress can't even get together to do something good for their own people. The last thing they'll be worried about is immigration reform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asankaran View Post
    Why is whatever metric they are using for set cut off date for "ROW" it is current but for India and China they have to make SFM and BTM ? On what basis ? Why do they need to biased towards us and why do all of us have to agree and accept the bias ? If they are following the law, they should follow it or if they are using some other data point they should share the same.
    They are following the law. Their first order of business is to keep EB1 and EB2 ROW current. IF and only IF they can be kept current, the remaining visas move down to EB2 I/C... that's why its called "spill over". When demand is less than or very close to (base allocation+SO), then we can expect a SFM or BTM.

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    Thank you Teddy. Considering demand data is almost negligible, if CO wants inventory around 30-35k (as we earlier thought), date reaching 1st NOV 2008 by this summer is looking possible to me. What do you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeddyKoochu View Post
    I believe that quarterly spillover is already happening so some cases may never show up. The newly filed cases are most likely not ready yet for approvals but they may get approved as soon as they are ready. So as long as the demand data remains low its a good sign.

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    Per Oct 2011 demand data EB2I Prior to Jan 2008 was 4875. Per Dec 2011 demand data EB2I Prior to Jan 2008 is 50. Does this mean they have issued 4825 visas just in Octobe

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