Lack of respect you show towards the company by referring to it as WITCH which filed for your 140 is really shining. 140 belongs to the company. If you had completed 180 days the PD is yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by H1b2006
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Lack of respect you show towards the company by referring to it as WITCH which filed for your 140 is really shining. 140 belongs to the company. If you had completed 180 days the PD is yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by H1b2006
Iam nuetral to the company, it gave me great stability for 11 yrs but it didnt give me what i expected. No offense thats how people refer them online i went with the flow.iam trting to get supplement J raised a SD ticket. Keeping fingers crossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceMan
Although WITCH is just an acronym, I do think it is an apt one.Quote:
Originally Posted by H1b2006
I worked for a WITCH company as a partner about a decade ago. My experience was not good. I got fed up within a year and resigned.
At the end of the day all companies, Desi or American, are extremely transactional. American companies try to maintain a productive environment. Desi companies don't even pretend. Everything is all about survival based on caste, religion, state and the language. Performance is by and large not a factor in your progress. Again my own experience limited to one company. May or may not be generalized across all WITCH companies.
Buddy, you don?t have to feel diminished or ashamed to call your former employer WITCH or anything else. As Q mentions, they are transactional and needed your skill set as much as you needed them to file for your petition. Beyond that, there is no need for any reverence, gratitude or undying loyalty for any employer.Quote:
Originally Posted by H1b2006
You had an unpleasant experience and you resigned at will from one company. However based on your experience with one company is it right for you encourage slandering a group of companies as chudel?Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
I am sure you already know from numbers, more than half of the Green cards benefits from 2012-2018 has been utilized by CTS alone, which is an American company?
This attribution of guilt/wrong doing to other Indian companies and you consider the name calling as apt really surprised me.
Ppl call those companies witch as they clogged eb1 and caused backlogsQuote:
Originally Posted by AceMan
All these companies have terrible practices Ace. Human dignity is very important to me. These companies don't care for human diginity let alone human potential. They have wasted so much talent and potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceMan
Our people are just as much talented as any other. Desi folks are now a days not just millionaires (or a hundred millionaires), they are becoming billionaires left and right. It is noteworthy though that none of them have WITCH background despite the fact that WITCH attracts the best talent in India. So why WITCH alumni can't break through in sillicon valley? WITCH does sponsor tons of EB1s so lack of mobility is not the answer. Basically our companies are representative of our society - repressive, corrupt, unimaginative. They kill talent.
I have managed 10 figure budgets, and nine figure contracts - both desi and american contractors. Desi folks get the job done at a great cost to their workforce. Tata is probably slightly better but generally speaking they all are similar.
Sorry - that's just the world I saw. May be as we get older - our biases get stronger and mines are too. Happy to hear perspectives of people who are currently working at WITCH or have previously worked at WITCH.
The fact is some one got it before you because he documental qualified as a manager to the satisfaction of USCIS, while even after being in the country for more than a decade you are still looking for possible steps for the company to get a document which can help on your GC.Quote:
Originally Posted by H1b2006
Understand this, you are begging for something what belongs to the company.
Aceman, android09, Qesehmk and others can give their opinions, but none of us can get you the document.
I find the tone here pretty disrespectful mate. Its okay for others to disagree with you. Peace!Quote:
Originally Posted by AceMan
Q - On this subject, I'm with you. We tend to be extremely short sighted in valuing our potential. In a nutshell, we are yet to fully recover from the colonial mindset even though Britishers left us long back. However, I won't be hard on ourselves here either. To play the Devil's Advocate here, Indian IT services industry started booming in the 90's when the country was limping its way out of the failed mixed economy which wasted nearly 4 decades after independence. The India we see today is partly attributed by the FOREX that IT services could bring in throughout the 90's and in the 2000's. However, given its become a mature business model now, its high time we reduce our reliance on services and move into more product and brand creation which our workforce is very deservingly capable of. Its the leadership and vision that need to change. Nevertheless, the so called WITCH companies are the ones that got India to this point by now where we are even thinking this way to make more leaps and untap all our human potential. So not all is bad in this narrative here :). Also, EB1 being misused by WITCH is such a lousy narrative because any ambitious business will tap legal grey areas to maximize advantage and its human to take the path of least resistance so I won't blame the employees or their employers here. I would have done the exact same thing if I had such a chance, period!Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
Zen - yes indeed. EB1 is a legal avenue and WITCH are using it legally. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenzone
My gripe is only about wasted potential. WITCH have indeed contributed to India's progress. I just think that India time and again loses on big things because we don't see our people as capital. WITCH are better positioned to treat its employee base as human capital but they haven't. They sell them as mostly commodity.
# lol i dont need document from them, just checking my options. WITCH companies cancel the I140 soon after people leave them. if I140 is active i had a chance to go back to my previous accounts.no worries i have waited 12 yrs another 6months is no big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceMan
WITCH WITCH WITCH companies suck the blood and squeeze all of the energies by making them work weekdays and weekends and at the end dump them after usinng them for 10yrs.
Really interesting what WITCH is going to do as EB1 India becomes current and stay current for another 1-2 yrs due to Covid.
Don?t worry about things people say. I think Q nailed it with his response. You, like everyone else here is looking for some advice, a bit of clarity as it pertains to your situation. Making sense of immigration is a complicated ask. Especially when you?ve been in companies for a long period which don?t value you, your knowledge or contributions. If you?re taken as someone who is a ?resource? or a ?body? thrown at a project to reduce cost of operations, then you?re well within your rights to think and treat them as folks who write a check for you and nothing else. Ignore the white noise here.Quote:
Originally Posted by H1b2006
My apologies if you felt the tone was disrespectful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenzone
Good to know how you value the place you worked for 10 years. If you were used by one company, name it, instead of behaving like a petulant child and screaming the word over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by H1b2006
Ace - no need to get personal. Cut him some slack. We all love India. He is only making point about a company that has not treated him well. You don't have to agree with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceMan
In regards to WITCH, Ppl do say FANG or Big Tobacco or Big 3 consulting, so its OK to say WITCH which is stuck with those company fairly or unfairly.
This site is not LinkedIn where we voluntarily share all our details in name of networking. Let it be anonymous and not force ppl to name company for which they worked for or working right now.
As a business owner, how would you take if somebody slanders your organization?Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
These companies do lot of questionable practices, however there was only one whistleblower over the last decade against Infosys. As you had mentioned these are all transactions based company.
I don?t like people slandering companies, while you have no problem with that. As a forum user, I respect your decision, even if I don?t agree to it.
My intention was never to disrespect another user, rather disagree with how he used a derogatory term at a place he worked. Call me old fashioned. I believe work is worship.
We all need to cut India some slack. For such a young democratic nation that is not even 100 years old, and in spite of having such antagonistic neighbors on our doorstep and repeated incursions and terrorist attacks and other jugaads they keep doing, we are still top 5 in GDP (yeah, I know PPP, not per capita :)) and still getting millions out of poverty every year. I know we have the issues that we have there, everyone is trying their best to provide for their families and won't think too much about being altruistic when it comes to bettering their own life. Everyone understands these arbitrary quotas were set way back and anachronistic now, it is just taking a lot to change it and it's not happened so far and will be difficult to bring about that change for many different reasons.
I love this comment because of a personal anecdote that I would like to share. I work in the O&G industry and someone a couple of years back said, "hey there is this company called Reliance in India who wanted to see if our product will be a fit." Obviously the sales guy was a bit green and did not do his research but he naturally assumed I would know more. I gave him and internal teams a short overview and they were just blown away that a company in India could have a market cap of $100B with a B. When we visited India for meetings, we were basically treated like kings in their resort type environment in the west of India and the Americans were just blown away by the sheer amount of wealth and influence that everything exuded there. Their corporate offices were just amazing with all the latest features, you could eat anything you want every day in their massive cafeteria with highest quality of food and deserts, it was just mind boggling. I have never done some business with companies based in India or have major branches but this is what has been reported to be the norm per many of my contacts in India who work in places like Deloitte, Accenture, Capgemini and other major employers. All in all, it was just a good feeling that ok this type of progress is happening in my country. Yeah, there are still potholed roads, yes there are lot of slums and poverty and political turmoil, but things are continuing to get better thought progress is more incremental than we would like. We personally know some of our relatives who came from rural locations and because being able to get a decent education and got into some of these firms and were able to lift themselves and families and extended families in some cases out of maybe not complete poverty but to a decent respectable existence. Now their children will grow up with much better opportunities to be successful. It's heartening to see such outcomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceMan
i didnt coin the word WITCH, its been referred as WITCH as pretty standard since very long time may be 5-6yrs. i dont know why you are feeling so upset on this. Good thing is People are getting freed up from the wrong doings of WITCH(EB1 Clogging). almost a decade wait is going to end soon in 6months to 1yr.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceMan
Thank you.
Again with no disrespect to you, I consider the usage of the word WITCH as a slander lingo in the forums. I did not work in any of the companies, while I have worked with people who were from these companies. I have good opinion about almost all the people I have interacted with.Quote:
Originally Posted by H1b2006
I will present you an hypothetical situation.
2 African American people calling each other n word is acceptable. However if you are not an African American, the usage of the word can be interpreted as a racial slur.
You have worked in one company which did not treat you well. I am not questioning your statement. Same way Q had worked with one of the company and he shares your views. I have worked with teams from 3 of those organizations and I had a good experience. Hence I cannot agree with you in calling them the same term. Even if you say that a 100 times, I cannot say that because I don?t have a personal experience. That does not mean that I am trivializing your views or disparaging you. You had bad experience with one company and you are branding 4 others as equally bad.
We are all here for close to 15 years and we have been taken advantage off by many like the WiTCH in your case, for me the lower pay for close to first 7 years. We are both bitter at some thing. But like you said we are very close to the end of an exciting back breaking journey. Few months from now we should be able to look back our time so far in US and say ?That was an f?in ride?
Also once again my sincere apologies if you felt that I was disrespectful to you. I can assure you, I have absolute respect for every individual here.
Slander is when somebody is providing false information with intention to hurt your reputation. I think what we spoke here were first hand experiences. I can tell you mine is.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceMan
Ace - work is indeed workship. But not all workplaces are temples. Just think about it. If you remain too much attached to any one employer it will hurt you. Mark my words on this.
In any unjust corrupt system there is a tiny beneficiary class that will always push the narrative of loyalty, god-religion-country-army etc etc. But if you were to cut slack to, you should always cut slack to the people for what is a country or organization or company without its people.
There is a reason why the Indian outsourcing employees rarely if at all complain. WITCH is an inalienable part of the systemic slavery that H1B and GC has become. People are afraid they will lose their jobs, their careers, their American Dream. Its just like women's rape statistic from India. We think rapes don't happen because they are not reported (so much for International women's day!).
This got too serious too quickly! Thus moved to a new thread.
During 90?s I had a morning walk partner was around 56 but very healthy and can pass of as a 40 year old. He joined the company immediately after graduation and he had about 35 years experience in the same company.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
The company was in sick state for a while and he was expecting to retire at 58 in about 2 years. The company gave him the full salary for 2 years till his retirement and retrenched him. However he was so bitter that he was not given an opportunity to gracefully retire and was literally bad mouthing every body in the company and how they cheated him. He told me there is no brand loyalty and he was very bitter.
Long story short, I saw him 3-4 years after that, I saw a very old man way older than 60 years who turned pretty much introverted. The anger, the bitterness at the belief the company where he worked for 35 years cheated him of a graceful retirement ate him from inside resulting in loss of his health.
So I agree when you said the transactional side of a company, but carrying a grudge after a while, your health will get impacted.
Any place I work is my temple as I treat any monetary compensation as Dhanlakshmi. If I left that place, all it means that place did not suit me, there are many others working there to make an honest living. You can call it my quirk or whatever, but I find it very difficult to blame an organization.
However when it comes to people who destroyed Kingfisher, Satyam(it could transform inspite of having fraud owner) I have no sympathy for those.
I think you are just arguing for argument's sake Ace. Nobody is advising destroying anybody. But people should have a right to speak when they feel discriminated or underpaid or treated unfairly. That's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceMan
As I said WITCH have a grip over their H1B population and exploitation is rampant. I am amazed you talk all these lofty things but don't seem to think that WITCH are exploitative in nature.
Since I?m a equal opportunity non-believer, I don?t consider any of my work places as temples, mosques, churches or gurdwaras and do not regard money as any kind of Lakshmi or goddess. Therefore, I take full liberty in dissing companies where I have been taken advantage of. No offense to believers of such. To each, their own. May you faith light and lead your way. My cynicism absolutely includes Indian origin companies such as TCS where I worked as well as American firms that worked me to the bone such as the All American General Motors. This is not slander. This can be considered the worthless opinion of a disgruntled employee.