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06-22-2021, 05:46 PM
gammaray

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Originally Posted by rave79

Is there a way to infer if your application is either with lockbox or TX service center ? The receipt number is SRC 21901 2XXXX?

The lockbox is where the application is mailed and the function of a lockbox is to initially screen the application for completeness and scan and enter the information into the USCIS system. Once the application is in the system it's assigned to a service center for processing. The fact that a receipt is generated (with the serial number) means the application is now with the service center -- which in your case is the Texas Service center. Once the receipt is generated the lockbox has no role to play with the application.
06-22-2021, 05:50 PM
LightAtEndOfTunnel

Quote:

Originally Posted by rave79

Is there a way to infer if your application is either with lockbox or TX service center ? The receipt number is SRC 21901 2XXXX?

I think the USCIS case status tracker website will tell you if your application is with Lockbox or service center.
06-22-2021, 05:56 PM
gammaray

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightAtEndOfTunnel

I think the USCIS case status checker will tell you if your application is with Lockbox or service center.

Again, all the lockbox is doing is screening and logging in the application. It's not visible in any status updates which only happen when a receipt is generated, and by definition of the receipt number its with a service center at that point.
06-22-2021, 06:19 PM
LightAtEndOfTunnel

Quote:

Originally Posted by gammaray

Again, all the lockbox is doing is screening and logging in the application. It's not visible in any status updates which only happen when a receipt is generated, and by definition of the receipt number its with a service center at that point.

How do the scrapers on Telegram group etc can tell numbers from LB or SC facilities ?
06-22-2021, 06:41 PM
gammaray

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightAtEndOfTunnel

How do the scrapers on Telegram group etc can tell numbers from LB or SC facilities ?

That would a question for them. I don't know the source or veracity of the data and how its presented and to me it makes no sense. There is no "MSC LB", MSC is only a service center. Similarly for others. I thought the difference between lockboxes and service centers and their functions was common knowledge.

**Doing a quick search, the one scenario that an application goes directly to a service center is filing I-140 in premium processing. So maybe concurrent I-40/I-485 filings in premium go directly to the service center too? and the data presented using "MSC or LIN LB" and "LIN SC" is being used to distinguish between concurrent premium processing filings and all other regular filings. In any case LIN LB is a misnomer and is misleading.**
06-22-2021, 07:02 PM
smuggymba

Finally got the CPO email after 16+ years in this country. My center is TSC, physical card not received so it's not over until it's over.

PD: March 30th, 2010
485 Sent: March 5th, 2012
RFE Date: May 27th , 2021
RFER Date: June 16th, 2021
Case Approved: June 22nd, 2021
06-22-2021, 07:18 PM
rocksays

Congratulations!! Was the recent RFE for medicals?
06-22-2021, 07:19 PM
SG2020

Quote:

Originally Posted by gammaray

OP says the receipt starts with SRC, so I guess his application is not being processed by Nebraska. If USCIS decides to change the service center OP should get a notice informing him of the change in center.

Fragomen does filings for our firm. All my previous applications also were submitted to Nebraska and I always had a LIN receipt number. This time, the applications were also submitted to Nebraska on 11/4. The receipt notices were generated on Feb 11 with SRC prefix - so I am guessing the applications were transferred from Nebraska to Texas, and hence the SRC receipts.

I was also curious about how the Telegram groups were scraping data for LB and SC applications...clearly they know something that anyone on this forum doesn't! LB or SC, SRC has turned into a BB (black box).
06-22-2021, 08:10 PM
gammaray

Quote:

Originally Posted by SG2020

Fragomen does filings for our firm. All my previous applications also were submitted to Nebraska and I always had a LIN receipt number. This time, the applications were also submitted to Nebraska on 11/4. The receipt notices were generated on Feb 11 with SRC prefix - so I am guessing the applications were transferred from Nebraska to Texas, and hence the SRC receipts.

I was also curious about how the Telegram groups were scraping data for LB and SC applications...clearly they know something that anyone on this forum doesn't! LB or SC, SRC has turned into a BB (black box).

How do previous filings have any bearing on an I-485 application? H1-b extensions, I-140's are filed directly to service Centers including Nebraska. And Nebraska is for premium processing applications. It's easy to find "Where to file" for what form on the USCIS website, so it's not really a debatable topic. And I maintain there is no Lockbox data, it's all service center, it may just be a designation used to differentiate between premium processing I-140 applications and all other applications (which are processed by the lockbox first).

It's all a black box in the end, the trick is to just let the process play out.
06-22-2021, 09:47 PM
rsnake

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightAtEndOfTunnel

How do the scrapers on Telegram group etc can tell numbers from LB or SC facilities ?

They can tell them apart by the receipt number series.
06-22-2021, 09:50 PM
rsnake

Quote:

Originally Posted by SG2020

This time, the applications were also submitted to Nebraska on 11/4. The receipt notices were generated on Feb 11 with SRC prefix - so I am guessing the applications were transferred from Nebraska to Texas, and hence the SRC receipts.

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The receipt numbers don't change when cases are transferred. Most likely your case was submitted to Texas or Arizona lockbox, and then got assigned to Texas Service Center that issued you the receipt number, unless you filed concurrently with premium processing.
06-23-2021, 01:59 AM
abcx13

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Originally Posted by gammaray

That is incorrect information. There is no lockbox in Nebraska. It's a service center. As I said, the applications for employment based I-485's go to a lockbox first. Phoenix, AZ or Lewisville, TX. Third one is in Chicago but I believe it's for different applications.

Sorry, yes, I just meant that there is no Phoenix service center.
06-23-2021, 02:03 AM
abcx13

Quote:

Originally Posted by gammaray

That would a question for them. I don't know the source or veracity of the data and how its presented and to me it makes no sense. There is no "MSC LB", MSC is only a service center. Similarly for others. I thought the difference between lockboxes and service centers and their functions was common knowledge.

**Doing a quick search, the one scenario that an application goes directly to a service center is filing I-140 in premium processing. So maybe concurrent I-40/I-485 filings in premium go directly to the service center too? and the data presented using "MSC or LIN LB" and "LIN SC" is being used to distinguish between concurrent premium processing filings and all other regular filings. In any case LIN LB is a misnomer and is misleading.**

Yes, that is correct on the I140+485 PP. They can tell LB or SC based on case reciept number. And LIN/SRC SC is basically just saying I140 PP with 485 at LIN or SRC.
06-23-2021, 02:03 AM
abcx13

Quote:

Originally Posted by SG2020

Fragomen does filings for our firm. All my previous applications also were submitted to Nebraska and I always had a LIN receipt number. This time, the applications were also submitted to Nebraska on 11/4. The receipt notices were generated on Feb 11 with SRC prefix - so I am guessing the applications were transferred from Nebraska to Texas, and hence the SRC receipts.

I was also curious about how the Telegram groups were scraping data for LB and SC applications...clearly they know something that anyone on this forum doesn't! LB or SC, SRC has turned into a BB (black box).

I thought whether the cases get assigned to SRC or NSC had to do with where the applicant lives. Have you moved since your last filing?
06-23-2021, 07:18 AM
maverick2010

Friends,

I'm planning to take up a new offer using AOS EAD(It's been more than 6 months post I-485 application RD). I just want to make sure I cover all the bases before moving to this new position. New employer is just requesting EAD details and nothing else - is that all needed?

Thank you!
06-23-2021, 08:04 AM
krnashvom8

Quote:

Originally Posted by maverick2010

Friends,

I'm planning to take up a new offer using AOS EAD(It's been more than 6 months post I-485 application RD). I just want to make sure I cover all the bases before moving to this new position. New employer is just requesting EAD details and nothing else - is that all needed?

Thank you!

Since your date is current it is recommended that you proactively file I-485 Supp J. Other than that you just need your EAD card. thats my understanding but you can confirm with attorney of new firm if you have access to them.
06-23-2021, 08:32 AM
andhraguy

Quote:

Originally Posted by smuggymba

Finally got the CPO email after 16+ years in this country. My center is TSC, physical card not received so it's not over until it's over.

PD: March 30th, 2010
485 Sent: March 5th, 2012
RFE Date: May 27th , 2021
RFER Date: June 16th, 2021
Case Approved: June 22nd, 2021

smuggymba - Many congratulations !! must be a big relief. looking at these positive news boost our hope getting green soon.:cool:
06-23-2021, 09:08 AM
maverick2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by krnashvom8

Since your date is current it is recommended that you proactively file I-485 Supp J. Other than that you just need your EAD card. thats my understanding but you can confirm with attorney of new firm if you have access to them.

Attorney from the new firm requested my PERM, I-140 approval doc and I-495J from previous employer to check the job match and gave green signal saying SOC code doesn't match but job is of similar nature. Is that all to this process? anything else is left - I'm little worried. I will request the new firm to file the I-485J ASAP. Thank you!
06-23-2021, 10:25 AM
maverick2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by maverick2010

Attorney from the new firm requested my PERM, I-140 approval doc and I-495J from previous employer to check the job match and gave green signal saying SOC code doesn't match but job is of similar nature. Is that all to this process? anything else is left - I'm little worried. I will request the new firm to file the I-485J ASAP. Thank you!

Can you please answer if you know about this process - any pointers? thank you!
06-23-2021, 10:41 AM
krnashvom8

Quote:

Originally Posted by maverick2010

Can you please answer if you know about this process - any pointers? thank you!

I'll defer to the experts on this...
06-23-2021, 11:09 AM
MeraNumber09

Quote:

Originally Posted by maverick2010

Can you please answer if you know about this process - any pointers? thank you!

I believe you need a physical EAD card to move to new firm on EAD. Just a EAD receipt notice will not do. Gurus - pls correct if the understanding is incorrect.
06-23-2021, 11:15 AM
san_archer

Hello -

Is anyone with a PD of 12/2012 EB2 here? When do you think the PD will become current?
06-23-2021, 11:19 AM
maverick2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeraNumber09

I believe you need a physical EAD card to move to new firm on EAD. Just a EAD receipt notice will not do. Gurus - pls correct if the understanding is incorrect.

I have Physical I-485 EAD.
06-23-2021, 11:28 AM
LightAtEndOfTunnel

Quote:

Originally Posted by smuggymba

Finally got the CPO email after 16+ years in this country. My center is TSC, physical card not received so it's not over until it's over.

PD: March 30th, 2010
485 Sent: March 5th, 2012
RFE Date: May 27th , 2021
RFER Date: June 16th, 2021
Case Approved: June 22nd, 2021

Hearty congratulations @SmuggyMBA. Normally we say it was worth the wait but in our cases, wait has been excruciatingly long.
06-23-2021, 11:38 AM
LightAtEndOfTunnel

Quote:

Originally Posted by san_archer

Hello -

Is anyone with a PD of 12/2012 EB2 here? When do you think the PD will become current?

Given projected 250K-290K EB visa availability based on Charlie O's comments, there is a good chance USCIS may extend filing dates for EB2 in Oct-2021 bulletin. However Charlie has mentioned before that that he doesn't have good visibility into downgrade filings. As USCIS gets through approval for Oct/Nov-2020 I-140 downgrade filings, Charlie will have better insight into EB2 and EB3 demand. Just curious, is your employer not willing to downgrade your I-140 to EB3 ? I know a few folks who had this situation and they offered to pay lawyer/USCIS fee, out of their own pocket and eventually their employers were okay.
06-23-2021, 12:18 PM
gammaray

Quote:

Originally Posted by maverick2010

Attorney from the new firm requested my PERM, I-140 approval doc and I-495J from previous employer to check the job match and gave green signal saying SOC code doesn't match but job is of similar nature. Is that all to this process? anything else is left - I'm little worried. I will request the new firm to file the I-485J ASAP. Thank you!

I don't have personal experience with the process, but yes all you need is the EAD to change employers after the 180-day period of pending I-485 has been completed. The lawyer will file a AC-21 package with USCIS which includes the I-485J. Trackkit has a sample cover letter with the document list to be included for AC-21 (all this the lawyer should know already):

https://www.lawbench.com/sample-docu...etter-for-AC21

For the I-485J to be applicable, the lawyer/employer needs to confirm that the new job description and responsibilities are similar to the underlying PERM of the original job for which the I-485 was filed. The SOC code match would be ideal but not necessary. Also job title match isn't necessary.

In summary, looks like the employer/lawyer are doing their due diligence. Not much else to do on your end, except reviewing all documents for correctness before they are mailed out to USCIS.
06-23-2021, 12:35 PM
gc092011

Hi Guru's,

Having a quick question. My PD is EB2-I Nov 16 2011. Since EB3 is current right now my attorney is suggesting to file concurrent 140 downgrade and I-485 (EB2 applied though same employer). Since the attorney is reputed one not sure if it is a good idea to say no.

Is it a good idea to downgrade now instead of waiting till Oct 2021. If filed concurrently will I be eligible to 180 days rule after 485 filing (if no EAD received) if 140 downgrade is still pending. Also is there any rough estimate how long this downgrade process will take.

Thanks.
06-23-2021, 12:46 PM
rave79

I believe you should file your EB-3 I-140 with premium right away and have it approved and file your I-485 if u can wait for a month or two based on EB-# 140 approval, that way you slightly speed up your I-485 and subsequent processing
06-23-2021, 01:24 PM
san_archer

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightAtEndOfTunnel

Given projected 250K-290K EB visa availability based on Charlie O's comments, there is a good chance USCIS may extend filing dates for EB2 in Oct-2021 bulletin. However Charlie has mentioned before that that he doesn't have good visibility into downgrade filings. As USCIS gets through approval for Oct/Nov-2020 I-140 downgrade filings, Charlie will have better insight into EB2 and EB3 demand. Just curious, is your employer not willing to downgrade your I-140 to EB3 ? I know a few folks who had this situation and they offered to pay lawyer/USCIS fee, out of their own pocket and eventually their employers were okay.

Absolutely. They are afraid I will leave the company, and they need me here. So, it`s a way of control. I did offer to cover their expenses and it fell on deaf ears. At this point, I`m frustrated with their attitude and bitter.
06-23-2021, 01:41 PM
vlbnnan@gail.com

Hello fellow members and gurus,

I need some immediate suggestions about my pending case. My priority date is Jan 21,2010 in EB2 and I have question about G28 as I have changed my job and did not file either AC21 or updated G28 form till now. Recently when USCIS sent notices about the finger prints being applied to my previous attorney and to me. My previous attorney's notice retuned to USICS as non deliverable, and in-turn USCIS sent back to me as a returned document and my case stuck in there!. My question here is, can I ask USCIS to revoke previous G28 and telling the that I will represent my case going forward? or do I need go through the attorney of the present company which will cost me money and more time. Could anyone please advise me? Thank you and I really appreciate your help.
06-23-2021, 01:43 PM
nbk1976

Quote:

Originally Posted by maverick2010

Can you please answer if you know about this process - any pointers? thank you!

My lawyer once said that s long as the two jobs have some semblance (even vaguely), they will approve. In his experience over many decades, he doesn't remember of an AC21 being denied. He knows of only anecdotes where someone filed to be a school teacher and ended up being a chef training cooks, which was approved after first issuing NOID. He said that they are normally very liberal in interpreting the same or similar job requiremnt.

I would not worry about it. Make sure your employer lists the job duties that are the most similar with the old job first.
06-23-2021, 01:50 PM
gammaray

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightAtEndOfTunnel

Given projected 250K-290K EB visa availability based on Charlie O's comments, there is a good chance USCIS may extend filing dates for EB2 in Oct-2021 bulletin. However Charlie has mentioned before that that he doesn't have good visibility into downgrade filings. As USCIS gets through approval for Oct/Nov-2020 I-140 downgrade filings, Charlie will have better insight into EB2 and EB3 demand. Just curious, is your employer not willing to downgrade your I-140 to EB3 ? I know a few folks who had this situation and they offered to pay lawyer/USCIS fee, out of their own pocket and eventually their employers were okay.

Downgrade filings will only help OP. 250K visas + spill down from EB1 (which is current) + all the EB2-EB3 downgrade filings should logically progress the EB-2 dates rapidly. Whether it happens FY 2022 1Q or later (CO suggested in one of the calls that dates will continue progressing rapidly start of FY 2022 and then slow down -- which is sort of contradictory to how spillover is applied which results is dates progressing in 3Q-4Q, but maybe he was talking about FDs and not FADs) it should happen and OP's date should be current sooner rather than later,in EB2.
06-23-2021, 01:59 PM
san_archer

Quote:

Originally Posted by gammaray

Downgrade filings will only help OP. 250K visas + spill down from EB1 (which is current) + all the EB2-EB3 downgrade filings should logically progress the EB-2 dates rapidly. Whether it happens FY 2022 1Q or later (CP suggested in one of the calls that dates will continue progressing rapidly start of FY 2022 and then slow down -- which is sort of contradictory to how spillover is applied which results is dates progressing in 3Q-4Q, but maybe he was talking about FDs and not FADs) it should happen and OP's date should be current sooner rather than later,in EB2.

So, do you recommend I stay put and hope the PD of 12/2012 EB2 will get current relatively soon, within the next 4 - 6 bulletins?
06-23-2021, 02:02 PM
LightAtEndOfTunnel

Quote:

Originally Posted by san_archer

Absolutely. They are afraid I will leave the company, and they need me here. So, it`s a way of control. I did offer to cover their expenses and it fell on deaf ears. At this point, I`m frustrated with their attitude and bitter.

I guess if possible look for an employer who is not holding you hostage. This is modern day slavery.
06-23-2021, 02:08 PM
maverick2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by gammaray

I don't have personal experience with the process, but yes all you need is the EAD to change employers after the 180-day period of pending I-485 has been completed. The lawyer will file a AC-21 package with USCIS which includes the I-485J. Trackkit has a sample cover letter with the document list to be included for AC-21 (all this the lawyer should know already):

https://www.lawbench.com/sample-docu...etter-for-AC21

For the I-485J to be applicable, the lawyer/employer needs to confirm that the new job description and responsibilities are similar to the underlying PERM of the original job for which the I-485 was filed. The SOC code match would be ideal but not necessary. Also job title match isn't necessary.

In summary, looks like the employer/lawyer are doing their due diligence. Not much else to do on your end, except reviewing all documents for correctness before they are mailed out to USCIS.

Thank you Gammaray!
06-23-2021, 02:09 PM
maverick2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by nbk1976

My lawyer once said that s long as the two jobs have some semblance (even vaguely), they will approve. In his experience over many decades, he doesn't remember of an AC21 being denied. He knows of only anecdotes where someone filed to be a school teacher and ended up being a chef training cooks, which was approved after first issuing NOID. He said that they are normally very liberal in interpreting the same or similar job requiremnt.

I would not worry about it. Make sure your employer lists the job duties that are the most similar with the old job first.

Thank you nbk1976!
06-23-2021, 02:10 PM
LightAtEndOfTunnel

Quote:

Originally Posted by san_archer

So, do you recommend I stay put and hope the PD of 12/2012 EB2 will get current relatively soon, within the next 4 - 6 bulletins?

It's a tricky question and at this point we are all speculating what may happen in future. What we know for a certain fact though, is that you are current in EB3 queue. If possible talk to whoever you need to in your company (go to as higher level possible) and go for EB3 I-140 downgrade + I-485 concurrent filing (and don't forget to attach I-693 medicals along with it). This is a life changing event for you and it's not just about them worried about you quitting. You can give them any verbal assurances to allay their fears (which you can always turn back on).
06-23-2021, 02:10 PM
san_archer

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightAtEndOfTunnel

I guess if possible look for an employer who is not holding you hostage. This is modern day slavery.

I`ve thought about it. But, I`m tired - after 15 years, starting all over again is daunting and scary. So, I just have to put my head down and be patient and hope EB2 12/2012 becomes current.
06-23-2021, 02:13 PM
korlakunta08

NBK1976 ,

How long it took to get RFE documents for you once RFE is issued.

Mine they issued 6/17/2021 qnd not yet received.
06-23-2021, 02:14 PM
san_archer

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightAtEndOfTunnel

It's a tricky question and at this point we are all speculating what may happen in future. What we know for a certain fact though, is that you are current in EB3 queue. If possible talk to whoever you need to in your company (go to as higher level possible) and file for EB3 downgrade + I-140 concurrent filing (and don't forget to attach I-693 medicals along with it). This is a life changing event for you and it's not just about them worried about you quitting. You can give them any verbal assurances to allay their fears (which you can always turn back on).

I`m going to try again. I did my level best in Oct 2020. Thanks for the heads up about the I-693. I agree it is life changing. The freedom to take care of your family back home at a moment`s notice with a visit, ending the nonsensical H1B cycle, freedom to pursue other jobs....

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