Oh ... i thought that's what Lee objected to. Then what was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly
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Oh ... i thought that's what Lee objected to. Then what was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly
Damn Durbin took his hold out and now Rick Scott has swooped in. Let this be a lesson for those who think things can get done quickly.
alright ... so now finally when sen durbin did not object .... Rick Scott (R) florida has objected. He wants to preserve diversity .... and create a carve out based on the language that the people speak !!! What a load of ------- ?
That's typical GOP for you. Absolute cunning suggestion that even accepted will be very difficult to implement.
Also known as a poison pill.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
All of this back and forth is so unfair to Sen Lee. The funny and sad part is it is not Democrats, but his own party that is screwing him over. They have used him and are now abusing him.
In hindsight, I feel as always you have been right all along! IV seems to have been taken for a ride by the Rs.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
And WH is not on board and needs more time. Goes on and on and on....Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly
This is not even a poison pill ... this is just a stupid pill that nobody would care about except Rick Scott.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly
And see if they somehow resolve this - then another GOP senator will introduce another BS amendment.
I have been trying to tell you folks ... it is not Dems ... it is GOP that is dead against this bill. They just used Lee to get at Sen. Durbin.
Believe me when I say this - Sen Lee must have come to admire Sen Durbin who has been very amenable and honorable.
Agree in totality!Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
I would like to think that Durbin would not mind this outcome as I have always said. He wants to do his own thing. Rs are not going to let this pass this Congress.
As expected gone for a toss, the pendulum always swings so fast and finally tilts at no approvals.Quote:
Originally Posted by NJMavarick
Senator Scott suggestion if we go by Language.... then India will have atleast 20 odd recognized languages to represent and not sure what has language got to do with Employment based skill sets. Or on the flip side he could have said any computer programming language and maintain the diversity :-)
If Durbin was a pure political animal then you would be right. But listen carefully what he said in the end. He says I am a son of an immigrant. I think he means it and he would have been happy to have this passed .... think about it .... he would like his junior friend Senator Lee succeed. That's what leaders do. They help others succeed. And Durbin has made fantastic effort towards us and towards his GOP friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly
But you know folks - don't be disheartened at all. I firmly believe this will pass soon ... Tremendous progress has already been made.
Rick Scott ends by saying - 'White house needs more time', I think it is currently on the big man's desk. They will make a decision soon, I am sure. This might be also tried to 'merit-based immigration proposal'Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
There is a lot more to this than what we can find on forums/twitter I am sure.
Stephen Miller will not let anything pass which resembles pandering to immigrants even remotely. So you can consider this done and dusted for this Congress. Don't believe for a moment that they will come to an agreement with Rick Scott - carve outs for people speaking specific languages is just a mockery. They will push this dumpster fire until Sep 30 and then turn out the lights and go home.Quote:
Originally Posted by EB22010Dec
How exactly has he been amenable? Can you suggest what has changed between 8 months back and now, so he has removed his hold?Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
Also hasn't he been introducing alternative bills? In my view he would not have removed his hold but for his calculations for current climate.
Please remove your IV shades.Quote:
Originally Posted by excalibur123
Today he and Lee both agreed upon a version that they reached together. But it was another GOP senator Rick Scott who came up with a brand new silly objection.
Again I hope I am wrong. But Trump is too consumed with other stuff to pay any attention to this. This seems like it was a low level machination by Miller and co to get to Durbin. The most dumbfoudning thing for me is that even if these machinations had worked and EB-I community went against Durbin and Dems in general - how did that help GOP in the November elections at all? Because the Indian Americans do not vote based on what happens to EB-I !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by EB22010Dec
But anyway ... I hope I am wrong and DJT does give us a path forward.
The Amendment pushed forward by Scott is typical of the GOP and current Admin which prides itself on it utter incompetence. They were unable to come up with a more nuanced amendment for a poison pill. Contrary to the public opinion that politicians are usually playing some form of three dimensional chess, Scott proves that his strategy is to fling the chess pieces at the opponent. :D
Not sure why I have to say “I have nothing to do with IV”. But that’s the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
You haven’t really answered my questions too?
Reality is Democrats don’t care about Backlogged until Daca is resolved. (Why would they give up the “leverage” as they call it? How else CIR would pass?)
As for why the bill got blocked, read what I said couple of days back about expect it to be blocked by Rs. It was expected because the timing for S386 cannot be worse.
Head of the thread updated for those who need a summary.
You really need to update yourself on what happened today and then we should discuss. Peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by excalibur123
I know what happened. You are not the only one reading and thinking / analyzing things.
I had already predicted what will happen in my post from a week back -
“ It is like having 2 parallel universes. On one side is hyper-anti-immigration environment, economy and unemployment issues like never before, and looming elections with its gazillion dynamics and calculations.
And on the other side is S386 and how it is perceived.
Even if the compromise is reached, expect S386 to be blocked, more likely by Republicans or the admin. Unfortunately the time for the bill was in pre-Covid days.”
If you are reading and everything then why are you making stupid statements? Did you not see that Lee and Durbin both are in agreement on the senate floor? Why are you saying Durbin is holding?Quote:
Originally Posted by excalibur123
This bill has no DACA in it. Why are you talking about DACA and blaming Dems?
Stupid statements? So much for the forum owner.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
I said he delayed the compromise because he calculated Rs would block it.
Genius!
Ok .. so if he had not delayed then Rick Scott would not have objected?Quote:
Originally Posted by excalibur123
You also lie in addition to making stupid statements. Here is your own post few minutes back
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Originally Posted by excalibur123
If the economy was roaring as it was, they could have passed it because there was no economic argument against it. And most importantly the elections were nowhere near last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
Besides same question - why compromise now and not 8 months back? Why those other bills?
No one can predict future but with Covid and elections the calculations fell in Ds favor and they know Rs would not let it pass now. So they removed the hold.
Alright buddy I am out. Normally ppl send such behavior and posts to Mods. But here we are with you as forum owner calling people names.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
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This is twisted logic. Has no meaning to it. The fact is both major co-sponsors are on board. Durbin's party is entirely on board. It is GOP who is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by excalibur123
Good luck. I wouldn't miss you.Quote:
Originally Posted by excalibur123
Rick Scott is the third republican senator who got objected to this bill. Some thing is not going well in the background. The discussions are happening from almost a year, didn't he get a chance to talk with Lee about his amendments/objections. The argument is so silly and never ever expected this from a dumb senator.
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Originally Posted by excalibur123
I think you are over reacting here. We all wanted the bill to pass, but some are more invested in it than others. So while we are disappointed with the end result of s386, a better option would be to avoid sulking and directing anger and disappointment at the wrong person.
In fact we believe in different political spectrum in US with lot of similar interests. I have absolute respect for Q and I believe he reciprocates too.
He is not your opponent. I am taking this liberty to tell you because I respect you a lot and I can relate to lot your views.
Dear User,
A deal has been reached between Senator Durbin and Senator Lee. Here is a summary. You can read details at Greg Siskind Blog (https://www.visalaw.com/siskind-summ...t-2020-852020/).
We will do a major rehaul to WhereismyGC if this bill passes. Stay tuned!
Summary
1. Visa caps will be removed from Emp Based Categories from USCIS year 2022 onwards (i.e. Oct 2021 onwards)
2. Children will be protected as long as the 485 was filed before they turned 21
3. All EB applicants can file 485, 2 years after they have an approved 140.
We think this is a great compromise with a very good chance to pass.
Good luck to all.
Thanks & Regards,
____________________________
Team WhereismyGC.com
Folks, anybody heard about this, read about this, anything about this today? This is a big one. Comments, Cheers.... anyone?
I have been telling near & dear that in the last minute DT can phone a southern senator and put a hold on the bill. I did not expect the senator from Florida to do this. If it is not Florida, then it will be one from Southern R states. Bottom line is WH is not on board with this and Stephen Miller (the silent kingmaker) is standing in the room somewhere in the shadows.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbollu
This bill has a lot of things that R's want on H1B oversight. There is an immigration EO coming after the R' convention and perhaps some calculation going on. Only the inner circle will know what went on. I won't say the bill is dead. Perhaps Kushner can spin this to get it through. I am sure whatever they do now, it is tied to DT's re-election campaign.
A lot discussion about this is going on in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by optimista
https://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showt...ll=1#post65689
In, short this bill did not pass yesterday.
Here you go
https://cis.org/Vaughan/Senate-S386-HR1044-Country-Cap
Not yet!
Can you please explain what you mean by "Not yet"? There is nothing new in that articleQuote:
Originally Posted by texas_
I guess from the article it is listed as Senator Lee said he will keep pushing for it and keep working. So what he meant by "Not Yet" that we are not done yet and there is still scope or hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
I doubt this is going to move anywhere, atleast not this year.
Thanks. I heard that also on the video replay yesterday evening but I am assuming he will say that and not say he is giving up. The calendar clock is a greater enemy to this Bill than anything elseQuote:
Originally Posted by srimurthy
Looking at how silly an objection Rick Scott put forth, I do not have that confidence. GOP has many more anti-immigrant senators and they would keep putting forth one objection or another. However I hope Lee has changed minds of at least 10 GOP senators so that in next senate, he can again bring S386 and then instead of UC ... just have a normal debate and get this passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
Oops,Quote:
Originally Posted by texas_
**Not yet = Not there yet